How will Donald Trump's election affect inter-sexual dynamics and mainstream American culture?

PhantomDream09 · 2016-11-10T01:01:10+00:00

I've been looking around and reading a lot of stuff for a while now. I've been a fan of Trump since the day he announced. The people that are 'shocked' and 'baffled' are so disconnected from the pulse of the country and what people are genuinely craving. The liberals and feminists have been yelling about how women are marginalized, under-appreciated, and how the entire system is rigged against them. That story gets really old really fast, when such a large portion of the country is struggling to find work and support themselves and their family. They see industries closed down, exported to illegal immigrants, and overseas. It's hard to believe middle class white chick, when she paints all white men with the 'privileged' brush of undeserved success. Blue collar, and poor working whites (and minorities) have grown tired of being insulted, berated, and ignored.

I'd say that sexism is a concern - but it's not a center-of-the-earth issue when they're too busy trying to find steady work and make a living. The left infantilizes women, and minorities, and speaks as the authority for both. There are some really fantastic comments on the PPD sub that go over these same issues. The sexism may not appeal to many - but jobs, and the promise of having their economic concerns addressed, their legal citizenship protected, and some energy infused back into the US is a the most promising thing that they've heard in 8 years.

It's important to note that he's not racist - he doesn't want to deport legal citizens, regardless of where they hail from. He wants to strengthen the boarders, and stifle the free-loading. I'm continually amazed how people cannot understand the difference between legal and illegal immigrants. I also hear the "well if they don't do certain jobs - those jobs won't get done!" which is complete bullshit. Illegal immigrants undercut the wages employers are willing to pay, leech off (and overwhelm) our systems. People are so busy yelling 'fire' and behaving hysterically. Mr. Trump has promised to help AMERICANS.

I think feminists and far left liberals are upset because for so long reasonable, hard working people have been mostly okay with just keeping quiet and letting them run rampant. That's not the case anymore. The blue collar, and poor working classes have seen what the idealist left can reap - lots of words and flowery sentiments. When Obama adopts a 'street' persona to relate to blacks, it's an affront to what black people actually experience and live. He bought the presidency on the color of his skin, and people have seen that sharing someone's skin color does not mean they will share their values. Working class blacks do not want to be treated as a charity case, they are tired of being boxed in and having their independence shackled to welfare.

There was a video about voter id, and all the nice white college kids said that id requirements were racist against blacks. They listed such reasons as: blacks don't have access to the internet, the dmv, they can't get id's. All the blacks that were interviewed on the other hand did not see an issue with it at all. They were shocked, and annoyed that whites were so stupid and ignorant about how blacks live and operate in today's world.

People want to rail against the idea of restricting immigration - what they conveniently ignore is just how rigorous, limiting, and racist Mexico's own laws are against foreigners. Mexico benefits because many illegals send money back home. I am happy to have people immigrate into the US - I just think they should have to do so legally. It's an incredibly long and tiring process for those that follow the rules, and when I hear liberals defending illegals because 'racism' it's just another example of how disconnected they are from everyday America.

No one elected Trump because racist, sexist, blah blah blah. They want jobs, stability, and to stop throwing fistfuls of handouts to everyone except the struggling working classes.

I think the secret slogan of Trump's campaign is: "This country is not your safe-space." That applies to women, illegals, and feminists alike.

There is a huge cultural divide, and it's not between the races - it's between the dreamy idealists intent on controlling everything (including who can and cannot be a struggling victim) and the rest of the country that's tired of being constantly shat on and neglected.

(Tagging /u/BellaScarletta because I didn't directly reply to her comment)

vanBeethovenLudwig · 2016-11-09T18:17:23+00:00

I'm definitely curious as to how the election affects gender political as well. I don't feel I have a very in depth opinion but I do have some thoughts:

Feminists will become the new "Trump supporters" (by that I mean rallying together and feeling passionate about hating on Melania for being "just a model" and hating Trump for choosing to have a beautiful wife).

Men will secretly be relieved to have an embodiment of masculinity (by that I mean a successful entrepreneur man with a feminine wife who is beautiful and supported him) but they won't admit it.

I also think the fashion industry will skyrocket because whether you voted blue or red, Melania knows her fashion.

StingrayVC · 2016-11-09T20:27:48+00:00

How do you think Donald Trump's election will affect inter-sexual dynamics?

Potentially, he could vastly change the dynamics. Men are are starting to come out of their shells because they no longer believe they are alone, or they no longer feel cowed. Though I attribute this more so to men like Milo than I do Trump. Trump could keep the wave going.

Do you think feminists will double down on their positions, use Donald Trump as the ultimate example of "toxic masculinity", and resist him every step of the way?

Without a doubt, and most likely this will continue to bury them.

Will media outlets portray women who support Trump in a negative light, shame them, or otherwise try to lower their status?

Absolutely.

Or maybe non feminist women will be able to voice their opinions and even hold influence?

Yes, because there are women out there who will ride the wave just as Trump did and make a name for themselves. I think some are well on their way, but I don't follow social media enough to know who they are. Basically, they will be women Shitlords and they will do well.

TempestTcup · 2016-11-10T14:55:23+00:00

If you follow Strauss and Howe, I think that the Trump election is the climax of the Fourth Turning, and that, with this election, the pendulum has begun its swing to the right into a period of a new traditionalism. It reminds me very much of 1980's election, my first election as a voter, and the swing to the right we experienced with Reagan after the excesses of the 1970s.

BellaScarletta · 2016-11-09T19:31:17+00:00

I don’t claim to be any authority on the nuances of politics or the complexity of its cause and effects..that being said, I’ll give this a shot with my personal thoughts.

How do you think Donald Trump's election will affect inter-sexual dynamics?

I’m concerned it won’t change at all. I think an anti-establishment candidate should have a positive effect on the overly-PC culture, but I think Trump is just too much. I am very anti-Hillary, but I am also not pro-Trump in the slightest. I really want to believe there is a capable man in there that will do good for this country, but I’m not sure that will be the case. In my perfect (completely fictitious world), neither Trump nor Hillary would have been our candidates. I saw a quote that said “Hillary is everything wrong with our government and Trump is everything wrong with our culture”…or something to that effect, not far off the mark IMO.

I think Trump does have a genuine opportunity to restore some sanctity to our country, but he also has a large opportunity to inject it with unadulterated vitriol. I very much hope for the former. There is bound to be anger no matter what he does and I don’t think there is anything inherently wrong with that…but if he spends too much time angering people he will lose the credibility to inspire any sustainable change. I think a candidate like Trump, but with better impulse control and basic manners (not political correctness…just genuine manners) would have a much more positive effect on inter-sexual dynamics.

Will men embrace masculinity and stop adhering to feminist standards? Will they decide to commit more or enjoy their freedom knowing that they don't have to be guilted into treating women a certain way?

Again, I would hope so..but I’m not holding my breath. Trump gets away with what he does because of money and clout not accessible to the layman. I don’t think the common man can relate to this. A candidate like Romney who does what he does (of course, with some money and clout as well) with more composure would be a far better example for the masculine ideal. A layman can aspire to conduct himself like Romney, whereas they cannot without the prerequisite riches to conduct himself like Trump. So I’m skeptical how accessible of a role model for masculinity Trump is at all.

Do you think feminists will double down on their positions, use Donald Trump as the ultimate example of "toxic masculinity", and resist him every step of the way?

Hell yes I do. I think Romney would have been a better conduit of traditional vs toxic masculinity. They hated him as well, but they are pre-destined to hating any white male running for president. The difference would be which kind of candidate could gently spoon feed them values - versus which candidate is like the babysitter too busy throwing tantrums to effectively stop the children’s tantrums. The latter is where I think (but certainly don’t hope) we are headed.

Will media outlets portray women who support Trump in a negative light, shame them, or otherwise try to lower their status? Or maybe non feminist women will be able to voice their opinions and even hold influence?

Again, a resentful “hell yes” to the former, and “not likely” to the latter. If Trump had any semblance of frame, I think he could inspire more respect and lend credibility to said women. I think the anti-establishment and rejection of PC culture is something we desperately do need, but it would be most effective and accessible if it was paired with basic manners and frame. I am vaguely hopeful he will move in this direction…but presented as his current strategy it is, I think we will be met with kicking and screaming all the way. And I think that’s a shame because it detracts from his potential.

Again, I do really hope that as President he will step away from his more childish behaviour and accomplish what I do believe he could in regards to restoring tradition and breaking down the age of offendedness, but the question really remains is just because he could…will he? I just don’t know. I do hope so.

yetieater · 2016-11-09T20:00:57+00:00

I think it will entirely depend on whether he is seen as a failure or not. The cultural impact depends on him achieving things of note, and remaining popular.

I suspect If he is unsuccessful, it will bolster the position of the more extreme feminists and encourage further polarisation. And the current trends are likely to continue as Trump will not be seen as an admirable figure. However, he will tilt the supreme court right, so that is still going to affect culture. I would expect feminism to become even louder as more 'anti-women' cases could generate support for their cause.

If he succeeds to some degree and at least is generally popular it will be a different story. That could mean republicans will have to coalesce around a new position, and so the rather unfocused current ideology will solidify. That will potentially mean if he shows certain policies to work that democrats move more centrist rather than polarise further. In that situation you might see outright rejection of the more doctrinaire feminism by democrats, because leftist voters have no real alternative. You might even get clear articulation of a movement away from 'progressive' policy. In that situation maybe some men will feel more free to be masculine, although Trump isn't traditionalist in any sense really.

In the latter scenario I'd say a movement towards a legal and social environment which gives more social capital to marriage is possible and that could change social mores as marriageability becomes more important.

whistling_dixie · 2016-11-10T00:55:10+00:00

How do you think Donald Trump's election will affect inter-sexual dynamics?

I think for a brief period (now until 7-8 months from now) we're going to see a sharp uptick in women who identify as feminists, and the women who currently identify will become more radicalized - entirely reactionary. As we've seen so far, most Hillary voters have been extremely reactionary in the past 24 hours.

I think after this period, once everyone gets their heads screwed back on the right way, it will begin to dawn on people that nothing bad has happened. At that time, I see a gradual warming to traditional male/female roles. Nothing crazy, but the feminists might quit railing against women who would rather raise a family than have a career.

Will men embrace masculinity and stop adhering to feminist standards? Will they decide to commit more or enjoy their freedom knowing that they don't have to be guilted into treating women a certain way?

I think so, aside from the ones who have already shackled themselves to feminists, either by marriage or sharing children with one. I think this will be a HUGE weight lifted off the shoulders of American men - not immediately, but relatively soon. Once they realize that it's okay for men to be men, things will normalize. On this I would only note that this is entirely speculative, I did not ask my SO his thoughts on it so I'm just guessing.

Do you think feminists will double down on their positions, use Donald Trump as the ultimate example of "toxic masculinity", and resist him every step of the way?

Yes; see my first answer. However, I think that over time, they may soften. I'm sometimes optimistic to a fault though.

Will media outlets portray women who support Trump in a negative light, shame them, or otherwise try to lower their status? Or maybe non feminist women will be able to voice their opinions and even hold influence?

Oh, they already are. Look at this article. It's just one of many that I've seen slathered all over Facebook in the past few months. The media doesn't respect any of us; in fact, they tried to do anything they could to pretend we didn't exist until it became undeniable. I was sneered at by a Hillary supporter yesterday who informed me that wearing a Women for Trump button was akin to him (a black guy) wearing a button that said Blacks for the KKK.

As far as overall predictions go, I am still nervous. I did not start as a Trump supporter; I actually caucused for Bernie. There's been a lot of soul-searching and introspection over this election season that lead me to voting for Trump. I didn't even agree with most of Bernie's policies, but he was an outsider, and that was important to me. That is still important to me, and surprisingly (to me, at least) that it's one of the things that makes me feel uneasy. My SO did point out that this is somewhat reminiscent to Reagan's rise to power though, and that was a comforting thought. I think Trump has the political and business acumen to steady the ship and bring us back to prosperity. I found this to be an extremely encouraging sign of things to come - Wall Street backed the wrong horse with Clinton, but they can see when profits are on the horizon. I think that Trump's time in office will encourage a return of masculinity and a greater appreciation for the differences in men and women; differences that make us more appropriately suited for different roles in life - differences that are okay.

whistling_dixie · 2016-11-10T01:04:59+00:00

By the way, /u/Camille11325 - great idea for a post!

Pinelero · 2016-11-09T19:45:27+00:00

At worst Trump will merely delay the inevitable apex matriarchal state and subsequent decline.

The media, as shown by all of the long newscaster and pundits faces, is anti-Trump, and they have already begun to "spin" a negative picture of the majority that supported Trump. Who will continue to still listen/watch them, if they are being insulted is hard to say, but they will lay bare their bias. How much the media will continue to be an influence after a loss of integrity is the real factor, as that is a major means of FI social conditioning.

Title	How will Donald Trump's election affect inter-sexual dynamics and mainstream American culture?
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Date	November 9, 2016 5:52 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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