How do we know that trp is legit?

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July 8, 2019
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Apart from testing it ourselves. What sold you on the ideas in this community. For example roosh V's book game and models and the rational male. How do we know the psychology in those books is legit? Obviously we are gonna do it anyways so im not doubtful. Im just curious how we can confirm that the principles are actually solid?


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Title How do we know that trp is legit?
Author anonymousboi98
Upvotes 75
Comments 69
Date 08 July 2019 12:10 AM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/244785
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/cadye4/how_do_we_know_that_trp_is_legit/
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[–]LeatherBoundWisdom174 points175 points  (10 children) | Copy

I remember when I first found TRP. I was on my phone on NoFap subreddit when someone mentioned it with great recommendations. Back then, girls were an unsolvable enigma. I had spent the past 2 years trying to fix my shit life and I had no idea what to do. I was undisciplined and my progress was slow. I had turned to God, to NoFap, to exercise, to fasting, to cold showers, to zen Buddhism, to stoicism, to asceticism, to hedonism, to being an uber-nice guy, to anything I could find. None of these things posed a solution to my problem. Some seemed beneficial overall, like a good axe, but I still had no fucking idea where to find the right forest.

When I started reading the sidebar, when I read Confessions of a Reformed Incel and Michael's Story, I nearly cried. For nineteen years I had been searching in the dark, getting fucking nowhere. I was being cucked and taking it up the ass, by girls, by men, by life, and I had no idea what to do or why this was happening. Then, suddenly, I came upon this incredibly concentrated wisdom, where every word resonated deeply with the experiences of my whole life, the pain and confusion. This wisdom, even further, gave me a message of hope. The path will be hard, it will be difficult, it may take months or years, but there is a way out. I didn't need to be convinced. From the moment I found it there wasn't a doubt in my mind. My life was such shit before, the fact TRP uprooted everything I thought I knew was the only thing that made it believable.

[–]thegoldengoat1916 points17 points  (7 children) | Copy

Where are you now? Explain how things changed throughout your TRP path

[–]LeatherBoundWisdom61 points62 points  (5 children) | Copy

I'm about 9 months out from that moment I described above so currently I'm in the "building power" phase. My smv was garbage, as is most people's when they discover TRP, so I'm lifting, working, reading, cold approaching, implementing. Some notable changes are I stopped prostrating myself to my family (this was big for me), I've become more productive than I have ever been before, and I've found happiness without women. The biggest improvement I've had thus far, however, is undoubtedly my social skills. I've tapped into a sort of latent potential I've always had. I used to think I was an introvert because I was so addicted to immediate gratification that it was physically uncomfortable whenever I wasn't "plugged in". The fact that I wasn't on youtube or playing a videogame when I was with people meant I hated being with people, so fucking stupid in hindsight. Now, I am known as the guy who talks to everyone.

The most striking difference is really my accent. I used to talk like a fucking uptight nerd, enunciating every word with perfect care and accuracy, even though I've grown up around a very thick regional accent (New York/Italian). I was trying to hide, trying not to draw attention, speaking in the most standard, unobtrusive way I could conceive. Since I've stopped trying to be who I thought others wanted me to be and starting becoming who I want to be, I've actually taken up the very thick accent I have now. I don't write in the accent, but I do think in it and I have trouble not speaking in it. When I talk, people think I've been speaking this way my whole life. I shoot the shit without effort, I can hold a conversation with a man pretty damn well, and I genuinely enjoy talking to people. The exchange of "life energy" is such a rush!

I do have to mention, though, I'm still a long way from where I want to be. I still slip up and start watching youtube videos again or other bullshit every once in a while. I still sometimes lose sight of what matters and regress to my older nihilistic tendencies. And I'm still, despite my recently taking up cold approach, a virgin. But the average contentment I experience per day has skyrocketed. I'm no longer depressed and I'm not angry at the world, I accept it for what it is and I'm glad to have the chance to shoot my shot.

Update: Lost virginity woohoo 🤙

[–]resnine12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is all good. I think trp is partially a placebo. You didn't need trp to tell you those things, you already knew you were a loser before you ever read trp, you stumbled upon trp because you were already in the process of changing. Trp just confirmed what you already knew. about your life Trp is obvious, it just serves as a firm reminder of some fundamental points of life. Trp didn't do those things, you did, you put in the effort to improve yourself. Much of what you changed really has nothing to do with trp just general self-improvement. Trp is sexual strategy, you are mainly talking about self-improvement which of course is part of sexual strategy. You should focus more on Game and the mentalities needed to say and do the right things in order to get laid.

[–]tallwheel6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

For many (especially those with life experience), TRP works by putting into words that which we had already seen all around us but were afraid to acknowledge as the real truth. Once we've seen it laid out in words, we finally know we aren't crazy and that everything we suspected was indeed true, and then we know we really need to take action.

And, beyond that, I think most probably also learn a few things we genuinely really had no idea about. Those things usually also turn out to ring true, as well, in my experience.

[–]resnine1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I see what you mean by the whole "now I know I'm not crazy part". There are a lot of autists out there that who, on a base-level know/suspect this is all to be true but are too conditioned by the world around them, so they keep thinking they are wrong/crazy/delusional for thinking that reality is not as it seems. Disney, music, and most BP/MSM is a complete farce that lies to people.

[–]HotHead1211 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

So you want to say that now you got a pair of meatballs

[–]neomorphivolatile1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you don't mind me asking, how did you become so productive?

[–]heebs4change-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

You’re just an incel from everything you just said.

[–][deleted] 68 points69 points  (6 children) | Copy

Because my wife never respected me for 12 years. Jacked, awesome at everything, beautiful kids, nice house, good job blah blah blah. Wife was harpy and rude. I always got pissed off and broke frame because I didn't know it existed. This one concept alone changed my life.

Now I have frame. Her emotions literally mean nothing because they aren't real. It's all fugazi. 12 years and she never asked me to fuck her in the ass until TRP. I'm sold.

[–]EnemyAsmodeus18 points19 points  (4 children) | Copy

What she just like "fuck me in the ass?"

Can you recall the conversation... for science...

[–]xddm265329 points30 points  (2 children) | Copy

"Why don't you ever help around the house?? I'm tired of cleaning all these dishes!"

Alpha OP: Cockslaps his wife

"Fuck me in the ass, now"

[–]futianze0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Honestly though, what are good responses to that?

[–]xddm26530 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Slamming divorce papers on the table

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Daddy after I cum, stick just the tip in my ass OK."

[–]LPSchneider1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Username checks out

[–]ThinSpiritual43 points44 points  (11 children) | Copy

TRP is legit but sometimes in polarizing ways, I always tell newbies to take it what works for them. For example, "texting only for logistics" also teaches weaponized autism, that shit doesn't work at times [flirting over text is completely ok if you have wit and humor?] so don't force it "because that's what Alphas do."

There's a recent post by a mod on the main sub that discusses old age, loneliness, and having children. TRP doesn't address those problems as well.

For the young people out there, just know that TRP works very well as a sexual strategy, but as you go deeper you'll find opposing views and evidence. It's all fine, I thank TRP for giving me a foundation where I can build wisdom upon.

[–]GGrub822 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

We preach texting only for logistics because text game is a high-risk low-reward activity.

Women are glued to their phone and while a guy needs to build his value by studying, working, lifting and cultivating hobbies, a standard girl has all the time in the world to text. She knows everything about it: what replies mean, what timing means, which emojis are acceptable and which aren't, when you're being needy, what kind of information to extract and use against you etc.

This is easily observable too: ever seen how astonishingly quickly a girl texts compared to a guy? Her fingers are blindingly fast when texting. It's painfully clear it's like a job to her.

Despite your best efforts, by engaging text gaming with a girl you give her an excessive amount of validation and the feeling she has you figured out, which kills attraction.

A 20-something girl has been texting with 10-20 guys at the same time every single day of her life for at least 10 years, so she's already seen it all: the "smart" guy, the "funny" one, the "I'm so delusional I think I can make you want to come over and fuck me now" one and so on. This is why by refusing to participate in this silly game you short-circuit her validation mechanism and she starts doubting whether you're just another common orbiter or someone of value.

As a bonus, you're implicitly sending the message that your time is so valuable that you can't afford wasting it on such silly things.

Sometimes the best way to win a game is not playing it.

[–]Dank_Dennys2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

What do you mean by weaponized autism?

[–]ThinSpiritual8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Means you're not autistic and you're perfectly capable of reading social cues and responding appropriately (maybe even with a lot of wit and humor). But instead of using that wit and humor, TRP's strategies such as "texting only for logistics" make you behave like an autist. It's weaponized because because you're purposely acting that way in specific situations to produce specific outcomes -- hence you're using it as a weapon.

So when does weaponized autism work? When it prevents you from becoming beta orbiters to girls who are not attracted to u. When it kills oneitis. When it helps to keep your mystery game up. Etc etc.

It's a very broad topic and probably worth its own post.

The key is DO NOT follow TRP blindly, make it work for you and your personality. If you have a lot of wit and humor then use them instead of behaving autistically.

[–]Standgrounding3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

People receiving the impression of unfriendliness

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

I disagree with parts of the texting for logistics. If you’re going from sexless loser to alpha dog you have to learn to talk to chicks and texting girls is an easy way to build that skill before moving to more real life communication

[–]ThinSpiritual4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy

If you’re going from sexless loser to alpha dog

This is the problem with this sub and a lot of people on this sub, and we're also assuming the crowd we're addressing are those, in reality, that's only a subset of the population.

A lot of people blindly following advice such as "text for only logistics" without taking into consideration of their own personality and whether it fits their underlying situation. TRP advocates that to prevent beta bucks from becoming cringy orbiters, for that purpose it is a perfect strategy. What about for people who are extroverted, humorous and witty and are already naturally good at gaming? Maybe this particular 19yo is reading this, he has a low N-count but he's a not "sexless loser"? A lot of people follow advice such as "text only for logistics", they train themselves to become autists instead of behaving naturally. Is that really good though?

What I'm saying is that context matters, and since newbies don't have context they tend to use very specific strategies on everything.

[–]Standgrounding2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

So, the social betas should text for mostly logistics. (Because that's the population TRP is tryna change mainly I guess).

There should be TRP for antisocial people. Stupid idea, but hey, it can be useful.

[–]ThinSpiritual1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Eh.... antisocial people will benefit more from just general charisma building stuffs (books/videos).

TRP will give them depression.

[–]Standgrounding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And the anger phase. (from experience)

Many redpill aspects remain true for antisocial people - frame, SMV, and the fact that oneitis is bad

[–]___Lana___1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You’re right.

But I see TRP as a recipe. If someone gives me a « fabulous raspberry and dark chocolate dessert » recipe, I will probably read it, apply it, see the result. Then I’ll do it again, but this time I’ll change some quantities, remove or add some ingredients. Why? Because I’m a good cook and I know how to adapt a recipe to make it better. Sometimes I will even change the recipe before doing it for the first time.

But if you are a newbie in cooking, maybe it’s better you apply it by the letter. Because you will not know what you can change to make it better to you taste. Of course, when the newbie is not a newbie anymore, when he understands TRP, he can begin to change some elements, by trial and error and he might land exactly where he wants.

You feel like buying a super expensive handbag to your plate? Do it. That’s not what TRP recipe says, but it might work for your situation. If it doesn’t, don’t come on askTRP wondering why it didn’t.

[–]ThinSpiritual1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Very good points. I guess there's just no one-size-fits all solution, and if there is one, TRP is damn close.

[–]MemeroniPeperoni38 points39 points  (6 children) | Copy

I knew TRP worked the moment I began to delve into it. I was a beta for most of my life and nothing ever seemed to work out in my favor like it is portrayed in the movies and media.

The main idea that clicked for me was abundance because there was only one time in my life I had it easy with women and that was when I was hooking up with multiple women at once. I didn't necessarily care about one more than the other so I didn't put up with their BS. At the time I had no idea I was "spinning plates" until I read it here on TRP, but it all made sense because as soon as I got emotional towards one plate, they all shattered.

As for the rest of the ideologies, they just made sense to me by watching my peers and seeing it work for them (even though they don't know what TRP is, it just comes naturally).

[–]EnemyAsmodeus16 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy

LoL... spinning plates without knowing how... It's like you were flying a plane without a license and just playing in the cockpit and things just worked...

That's great.

That is also definitely a wakeup call, when you do everything right, you're also skinny and fit, but still nothing is working... Like what gives..? According to movies/tv-shows I should be finding love very easily because that is what every girl wants too right?

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy

Natural alphas are definitely a thing. Being red pill unaware though is dangerous

[–]MemeroniPeperoni3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Why is it dangerous? Genuine question, I'm not sure what you mean

[–]flabby-doo-dad5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I got my first girlfriend at age 13. At age 17 we broke up, and I never really experienced "the single scene", since I was too young to really bother with it as a 13-year-old.

I'd just hit up a bunch of women, we'd talk, hang out, fuck around. Nothing serious. It all seemed so easy.

I decided that I needed to "settle down", and started focusing on one girl, casting the others aside. That shit didn't work. They liked me for my smooth confidence, my "I got lots of women and I don't care who knows it" mentality.

Had I known of RP, I would've known not to immediately tell her "alright baby I wanna make this official, no other girls, just you" after about a month of knowing her. It turned her off, ruined any shot with the other women, the whole thing was wack.

[–]ZeppKfw5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sometimes men who are in "love" do dumb shit like fight other men because of mateguarding or some beta shit like that. Suicide because you got fucked by in the ass multiple times and just want to end it or getting falsely accused by women.

[–]MemeroniPeperoni2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Movies and shows are so unrealistic when it comes to trp related stuff, they always portray betas succeeding in everything. What girls really want are alphas that don't roll over and beckon their every call. And that's where I went wrong with my plates, I began to put one of them on a pedestal

[–]FlyingSexistPig15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

I spent 2 years in a cloud of confusion post-divorce. I found the red pill and it perfectly explained everything that my life had been like for the previous 10 years.

[–]yeahmaybe213 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

RESULTS!

[–]_Last_Man_Standing_14 points15 points  (7 children) | Copy

- my sister has an IQ of ~150
- when I discovered RP I shared everything with her
- she confirmed it all
proof enough for me

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (3 children) | Copy

Most women will confirm it if they aren’t trying to BS you for whatever reason. Have “girl talk” with them over wine 1 on 1 and be blunt, but use other lingo, and they’ll confirm it all

Unless they are feminists (will deny but still confirm with their actions like the idiots they are) or trying to come off as holier than thou

[–]Blesss2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–]ihateyouguys1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Just put it in your own words, man. You went to school right?

[–]Blesss1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–]resnine5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is interesting. What aspects do you remember her resonating the most with? Like it's all about what you provide you can provide them? So your looks, money, status?

[–]_Last_Man_Standing_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

All of it dude...
It took a few months tho...
At first she was very defensive and had an in group bias for other women...
I remember her defending feminism and being a bit pissed off at the idea of hypergamy...
But after a few months of talking and research (she started doing her own RP research) she came around and confirmed it all...

For example about hypergamy she was pissed coz she first understood it in terms of golddiggers...
But after a month or so she came back to me and told me that the first time she felt true love for her boyfriend was few months into the relationship when she saw him doing a lecture on his profession in front of a crowd of people (status)... she said it was the first time she knew she loves him and she got horny... right? when she saw him in a "position of power"...

she's a self proclaimed anti-feminist now and a while ago she came up to me and told me she wants to take female right to vote away... (after listening to black pidgin talks video) lol
so she's quite extreme now... LOL maybe even more so than me xD

[–]masterpiece000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

IQ means little in terms of world intelligence, human relations.

[–]MBGA1815 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

It's called taking the Red Pill for a reason - huge eureka moment, women start to make sense and stop being this illusion. Here's a story I posted before in response to a guy dealing with the bitter taste of the Red Pill when he realised it was all a house of cards:

Welcome to the brotherhood. Thankfully the rage phase lasted a matter of weeks for me, it's different for everybody. Every time I thought about my past cucked relationships I had a eureka moment and felt super depressed about how I was such a loser and was so easily taken advantage of. My ex fucking negged me for fucks sake.

Then, once you analyse your entire relationship history you start to make plans for how you can be a better man. The really important thing is to keep this mentality. Doing Red Pill properly is honestly one of the most satisfying feelings in the world - you feel like a fucking tank. When you've truly internalised it and utilise it you have the power to become the monster chad you've always wished you were.

Let me tell you a quick story. I used to be the most snivelling soyboy beta cuck, constantly doting on my ex and driving her away with how much of a pathetic loser I was. I always chased her, I always apologised for myself, I did whatever she wanted whenever she wanted because I was so desperate to please. You will never be this guy again and neither will I. Now listen to this story for contrast:

New LTR - I have a date set up, I'm going to be 5 mins late and I haven't even brushed my teeth yet. We're meeting just down the road from my dorm and like an idiot I spent too long in the shower. Past me would've sent a grovelling cuck apology text and over-compensated with affection on the date - acting like a dog that has been punished. I started thinking about apologising, then Red Pill me took over - unapologetic, stands up tall, faces the world as a man.

I told her (didn't ask) to come meet me in my room. She dutifully shows up and I greet her butt naked in the doorway, chest puffed out like a chad and grip her by the back of her hair and pull her into me for a passionate kiss. I throw her onto my bed and we fuck like animals for like 2 hours.

That is how powerful the Red Pill is. It's a bitter pill, but honestly bro you've just stumbled on a fucking gold mine.

[–]red6pill6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

And then everybody clapped

[–]agree-with-you7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can confirm this is true. I was also applauding.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Too much confirmation in my experience to sadly question it

[–]dbz0x3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Evolutionary psychology.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You just don’t know. Many principles are truth, but because they are just obvious. As for all the endorsed “alpha male” users that fancy themselves the authority on what manly behavior is...who knows. I became pretty disappointed that a lot of these “alphas” were nothing more than fedora-donning, NB sneaker-wearing dorks that just read “No More Mr Nice Guy” and “48 laws of power”. I picked and chose what worked for me and made me a happy individual... and ignored the platitudes and bullshit confidence of these “endorsed contributors”.

[–]VigilantSmartbomb2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I found my way here after an intense acid trip lol. I realized there was a way of getting women to respond, and when I found this sub I thought I was finally home lol

[–]DREADC0RSAIR2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because it's fucking common sense at this point

[–]boy_named_su 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy

read / r / blackpillscience / top then come back

[–]xx-Rain_Maker-xx6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

That sub is legit. It's a shame it has that name. It's pretty much most TRP ideas backed up by science.

[–]resnine2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

So you accept it's all about face and looks?

[–]boy_named_su7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

I think face and looks and a bit of game get you in the door. Then you need TRP to keep her around, or not get abused / used if she sticks around

I think TRP is also useful outside of romance

[–]capodonca0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Looks are the first step then you need game.

[–]AdeHMar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It's not all about face and looks, but it surely accounts most of it.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because almost everything on the sidebar I had implemented in my life before coming across this sub. It works.

[–]Sepean1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It fit with what I'd previously seen, and it worked 100%. My marriage went from dead bedroom to her full sexual submission - anytime and as i tell her.

I've guided many to similar results. In my experience, guys who needs convincing that RP works are lost causes anyway, they'll stick to their BP ideology no matter what you say. Just focus on guys who want guidance.

[–]Jsieijejeieokkd1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I hold an advanced degree in psychology and have been published in numerous academic journals, author of a book, etc.

I will say that it’s ideas revolve around evolutionary psychology, and speak to how animalistic we are all. Watch a few nature shows about mate selection and you will see it all in the bar on Friday night. Although distasteful, the “dark triad” is very well established in psychology and is spot on. I do think the lessons must be applied intelligently or you could end up with a ton of child support payments, or an STD. This is where stoic philosophy is important, all things in moderation.

More importantly it is a humanistic based “self help” philosophy where a person is encouraged to self actualize and become the best version of themselves. And that is never a bad thing.

I have found the “hazing” on this site a bit toxic at times, but think of it as a rite of passage. The drill sergeants giving you the tough love. Just fucking read, lift, and practice, everything else will work itself out.

[–]enterim1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because this stuff works. I mean the main message: Improve your SMV and focus on something bigger than women.

5 women contacted me yesterday who want to meet up with me. I mean wtf. I was a virgin till 21. I fucked more women the last 12 months then the 24 years before. And this stuff gets easy. I do not have to change how I am, I just follow my goals and women come to me.

And it so much more sexual. This one "woman" just send me a snap from her workplace where she shows me her tits in the office bathroom, telling me that she want to get fucked by me on my new office meeting table -> I haven't met her once.

I mean I still do not believe it 100% - but the results speak for trp. It is kind of sad. But it seems to be the ugly truth.

[–]IndiansSmellLikePoo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Life experience

[–]the13thmonk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

try it

[–]red_philosopher0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Never looked back.

Everything in TRP blew my mind, and I couldn't believe it was real. I tried everything in TRP and was met with nothing but success.

It's the holy grail for men.

[–]Red_Pill_Brotherhood0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Come on man. Wait enough time and you'll see it in action. Also, experience.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

We don’t.

I do, because I tried it out. But don’t just take my word for it.

[–]Krebota0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Not that I'm actively using TRP anymore but it is definitely injected in many of my mindsets, and that has been enough for me.

I was bullied for years and lost all the self confidence I had. After reading up on this, I built up friendships outside of school, so out of the reach of the bullies, started lifting (which I stopped doing sadly), lost my virginity, went to university, got into an LTR and I'm now getting into Honors Academy.

I don't fucking care if it's legit, it was my savior. That's all I care about. I've been going forward ever since and I'm not planning on slowing down.



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