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Why do some people hate Jordan B. Peterson?

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August 11, 2019
131 upvotes

I finished his book recently and thought it was a great read. I have plenty experience in self help books and still was able to takeaway good information from his book.

Is there something I'm missing? Is he an asshole?


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Title Why do some people hate Jordan B. Peterson?
Author TBtgoat
Upvotes 131
Comments 120
Date 11 August 2019 02:45 AM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/248346
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/corelo/why_do_some_people_hate_jordan_b_peterson/
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[–]ModTheRedPike[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children) | Copy

[–]Anacondainahonda71 points72 points  (6 children) | Copy

JBP is a gateway drug to TRP. Some TRP adherents think he is "blue-pill", which may or may not be true. I think JBP is great at introducing regular people, in a factual and inoffensive manner, to the general ideas and world view underpinning TRP.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (3 children) | Copy

high smv bitches want you to wash your penis

[–]Anacondainahonda12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Bitches generally prefer clean penises, but they're still gonna suck and fuck the dirty ones - provided it is attached to a big enough asshole.

[–]EnemyAsmodeus0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What is this?!?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Iron Rules of Rollo Tomassi, the abridged by Jordan B Peterson Version.

[–]TBtgoat[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

While I'm not doubting anything you said, I fail to see how that could serve as an even moderate reason to hate JBP.

[–]Anacondainahonda23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Excuse me. Far left people hate him because he says things that are not far-left-politically-correct, because he's not a feminist, because he cares about young men, etc. The media hate him because the media is leaning pretty far left these days. The TRPLords hate him because he is not RP enough. A blue-pill impostor. He has been married for 30 years and has two kids. WTF. Where are the plates man?

Regular old centrists and similar dime-a-dozen people? They usually like him. Unfortunately, by 2019 standards, these people are far-right neo-nazis and we need to burn his book before he can harm any more young men. Boys need to grow up to be feminists. Feminism is equality after all.

[–]maverick975913 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Because he believes in transactional sex. He somewhat inspires the masses to become beta bucks, " why will a woman want you ? Get your life together first, become useful. "

I find a lot of value in his mythological breakdowns. His ideas like 'attention transcends intellect' and 'in filth it will be found' are really thought provoking.

He's a fine guy. Just don't take dating advice from him.

Also his wife has bigger triceps than him.

[–]lugrulo4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

When he mentions become useful, I interpret as become useful so you can help yourself. After you demonstrate an ability to help yourself, then you can help others as a leader. Not so you can be used like a beta bucks tool.

[–]2INNASKILLZ2K1810 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

I haven't read a lot of his stuff. I skimmed through the book. In no way can I speak from some depth of knowledge on him.

Some of the stuff I like. Especially the stuff around life having suffering, and we can either withdraw or transcend it. Of course, that's taken largely from Buddhist philosophy so I can't credit it to Peterson.

The rest of the book is 'thin'. It's lightweight. There is nothing really groundbreaking about his 'rules'. Standing alone, they are very blue pill. They don't challenge anything big, or the 'matrix' and it's far from a groundbreaking piece of work.

If these were your 12 Rules For Life, I'd be hoping they're part of at least a hundred others, because it's watered down blue.

I actually get a bad taste in my mouth from this sort of work. As if someone has done some light reading, packaged the ideas up in their own words and passed it all off like some original work.

[–]Vikingcel2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think it's reasonable to say you found nothing groundbreaking or 'challenging' in his book, because you're already redpilled. To you it's the same old shit.

[–]Rodent9140 points141 points  (53 children) | Copy

People hate JBP because he speaks the truth, and some TRPs just desperately crave pussy instead of becoming a good man.

Otherwise they think his content is boilerplate and only novice reading, which to some extent it is, and they’re far too educated for the likes of him.

I honestly think he’s pretty good. He’s one of the men that men should be paying attention to, or at least to consider his ‘rules’.

[–]baeslick58 points59 points  (2 children) | Copy

I'm going to have to agree with you and graciously disagree with people claiming him and anybody else who adheres or at least admires JBP to be "cucks". So far I haven't seen or watched, read ANYTHING that indicates JBP's teachings go against TRP philosophy. The only bluepilled thing about him is he married his childhood friend, which I get it casts his entire life in a bluepilled light, but he's pretty red-pilled from an epistemological standpoint.

He accepts and readily dictates sexual marketplace theory, mentions Pareto principle in plenty of his lectures, focuses on men who have struggling sexual identities and clearly expresses how male and female sexual strategies differ. Now if that isn't TRP I don't know what is, and regardless of whether he's experienced it or not, I get it. Talking this stuff from a purely academic sense vs actually experiencing it are two different things, and I think that's where a lot of TRP guys fall out of line with Peterson

[–]EnemyAsmodeus11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's not that he said anything against TRP... He didn't. He's very red pilled.

It's the fact that he criticized the Nazis in one lengthy interview and talked about their similarity to Stalin. That's what's driving their anger. The neo-nazis are now trying to paint Peterson as a "beta cuck" in RP-related comment sections ever since that interview.

Some of them have also made up this lie about "UN" and Peterson. So you can tell their worldview: "glabaaalist jooos!"

[–]HellSpeed8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Time to get off the internet.

[–][deleted] 35 points36 points  (40 children) | Copy

nope

In general - people hate him cause he's been found to be engaged with key members of the UN to rewrite certain documents that discuss population control in a more.. """palatable"" manner.

Leftists - they think he's dogwhistling to the alt right. They say he's a cult leader.

4chan/pol - hates him because he's a zionist and will not answer questions directly when it comes to perceived Jewish power / tyranny whatever. They criticise his sudden rise, accumulation of serious wealth and membership of a mostly jewish "intellectual darkweb". They call him Juden B Patreonstein.

TRP - many people dismiss him because once you scratch the surface you realise he's quite bluepilled.

Tradcons and wignats (further to 4changs) - he pushes radical individualism while collectivist groups rally to actually dismantle the west. "Don't worry about the barbarians at the gates, wash your penis".


edit: I'm gonna put this here because it's buried under a bunch of "ideological claptrap" in another comment thread.

Left-wing conspiracy theorists.

He is himself, a 'left winger'. Classic liberal, in the British sense apparently. In fact, in many of the concepts he promotes, including his own radical individualist ideology - he conveys and uses the very marxist and cultural marxist methodologies and techniques he claims to be against.

You can even check this yourself but looking at his tweet history vs those of well known cultural marxists.

If you're stupid enough to fall for the left/right dichotomy, by all means, use that as a point.

Peterson has nothing to do with the UN.

Jordan himself has said MULTIPLE times when answering questions about climate change - that he worked on the UN Secretary General’s High-Level Panel on Sustainable Development, being responsible for the editing of documents such as this: https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/policy/untaskteam_undf/HLP%20P2015%20Report.pdf mates of yours like Podesta are on it too.

https://youtu.be/8KUnK_Nz1ws in this interview he says:

I'm a media whore, you know.... I'm a professor at the University of Toronto so far. I'm a clinical psychologist, I have a clinical practice, I'm a business consultant, I do executive coaching, mostly for senior partners of big law firms. I run a testing business for the world's biggest early-stage technology incubator in California, called the Founder Institute. They've started 2,000 business in the past five years and I've screened all 30,000 of their entrants because I know how to predict entrepreneurial ability. I designed a program called Future Authoring that has helped more than 7,000 university students improve their grades by 25 percent and decrease their dropout by about the same amount. I worked on the UN Secretary-General's High Panel for Sustainability Report that was delivered, I believe, in 2013, and rewrote the underlying narrative to strip out most of the ideological claptrap.

https://archive.fo/ejdQY

He’s taught mythology to lawyers, doctors and businessmen, consulted for the UN Secretary General’s High Level Panel on Sustainable Development,

SPECIFICALLY he worked for the UN in the years 2009-2012 for George Soros own Protege', Jim Balsillie - and it's even on his own fucking website. https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/about/

[–]fignootins7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

He also told Brett Kavanaugh to step down because he was "too controversial" even though Peterson became famous off of refusing to step down despite his controversial opinions towards gender law in canada.

"Wash your penis goyim pay no attention to the saracens at the gates of the city"

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy

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[–]fignootins0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

lmao

[–]olinvomibo1235 points6 points  (11 children) | Copy

Thanks, never knew about these things about him

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy

there is alot about him that neither he nor his cult of followers will acknowledge

[–]EnemyAsmodeus-2 points-1 points  (7 children) | Copy

Whenever a man goes and speaks on a variety of topics that are actually important and actually generously provides lengthy videos and lengthy details instead of vague fluff... Someone's always out there to tear him apart based on one opinion he said somewhere about something that irritated them.

Then they wonder why the world is just constant sound bytes and slogans.

Peterson has nothing to do with the UN. What communist website did you pull that from? Ever since he said something about Stalin, there's been some left-wing conspiracy theorists that have been trying to vilify him.

Edit: Did the person replying to me just say "individualist ideology" is radical??! It's literally the most American cultural underpinning going back to cowboy times. And using marxist's tactics against them, giving them a taste of their own medicine, is bad too??!?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Left-wing conspiracy theorists.

He is himself, a 'left winger'. Classic liberal, in the British sense apparently. In fact, in many of the concepts he promotes, including his own radical individualist ideology - he conveys and uses the very marxist and cultural marxist methodologies and techniques he claims to be against.

You can even check this yourself but looking at his tweet history vs those of well known cultural marxists.

If you're stupid enough to fall for the left/right dichotomy, by all means, use that as a point.

Peterson has nothing to do with the UN.

Jordan himself has said MULTIPLE times when answering questions about climate change - that he worked on the UN Secretary General’s High-Level Panel on Sustainable Development, being responsible for the editing of documents such as this: https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/policy/untaskteam_undf/HLP%20P2015%20Report.pdf mates of yours like Podesta are on it too.

https://youtu.be/8KUnK_Nz1ws in this interview he says:

I'm a media whore, you know.... I'm a professor at the University of Toronto so far. I'm a clinical psychologist, I have a clinical practice, I'm a business consultant, I do executive coaching, mostly for senior partners of big law firms. I run a testing business for the world's biggest early-stage technology incubator in California, called the Founder Institute. They've started 2,000 business in the past five years and I've screened all 30,000 of their entrants because I know how to predict entrepreneurial ability. I designed a program called Future Authoring that has helped more than 7,000 university students improve their grades by 25 percent and decrease their dropout by about the same amount. I worked on the UN Secretary-General's High Panel for Sustainability Report that was delivered, I believe, in 2013, and rewrote the underlying narrative to strip out most of the ideological claptrap.

https://archive.fo/ejdQY

He’s taught mythology to lawyers, doctors and businessmen, consulted for the UN Secretary General’s High Level Panel on Sustainable Development,

SPECIFICALLY he worked for the UN in the years 2009-2012 for George Soros own Protege', Jim Balsillie - and it's even on his own fucking website. https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/about/

Pick up your caved in grug brain and go home mate. You don't even know a single thing about the person you're talking about.

feel free to copy-pasta for your response to this guy, /u/GayLubeOil

[–]fignootins10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

FIND ANOTHER SITE TO SULLY YOU EVIL COWARD!

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

WASH YOUR PENIS AND THEN I WILL EDIT MY POST

[–]Trosso2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

a classic liberal isnt left wing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

do you have autism?

false dichotomy

[–]Trosso1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

What son?

[–]LuniOPS-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your just copying pasta yourself. and now you resort to insults. you just lost the conversation. Sorry, harsh words don't impress me and your not convincing in your arguments.

JBP continues to do more good than harm. Can you say the same about your life?

[–]EnemyAsmodeus1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

He listed like 4 antisemitic reasons and is making jokes about "goys" and stuff. He's a Nazi and that's why he and some others hate Jordan Peterson.

Jordan Peterson made fun of Nazis in one interview and compared Stalin to Nazis... Ever since then, there's been these vilifying conspiracy theories by the 4chan/neo-nazi & of course communist crowd.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is proof that you have 0 arguments. You accused me of being a nazi when all I did was listed reasons why PEOPLE don't like him.

You've gone out of your way to fill this thread with replies, like you're taking any criticism to peterson personally. That is obvious.

Are you sure you're reading TRP material? Are you lifting? What's your N Count?

[–]its_meKnightSwolaire1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yep this is the correct answer.

[–]canis_lupus_arctos1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

TRP - many people dismiss him because once you scratch the surface you realise he's quite bluepilled.

Care to elaborate?

[–]Rodent90 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy

This is a better analysis. I don’t think he’s infamous enough to have these controversial titles from the autism tribes. Highlights the hypocritical fragility of each.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy

hypocritical fragility

How is it hypocritical. People can and do form very valid criticisms of JBP, he's not infallible. The subreddit dedicated to him is absolute cringe. As Tyler Durden would call it, intellectual masturbation.

[–]Rodent92 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy

I’m not disputing the valid criticisms.

I mean how he’s made out to be the enemy by groups like leftists and sjws that call other people fragile for disagreeing with them.

Using phrases such as ‘white fragility’ to belittle us rightfully dissenting X group’s ideology, but as soon as there’s a man that’s capable or empowering young men, he’s a nazibigothomophobezionistshill etc. saturated buzzwords from all angles.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is the reality of the situation, you can be butthurt or not. I'm merely stating the reasons why.

[–]EnemyAsmodeus0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

There really is no valid criticism of him. They're all just fall into three categories: Nazi criticisms, communist criticisms, and feminist/SJW/Trans criticisms (postmodernist & communist).

Dr. Peterson talked too much about history, and it pissed off some grudge-holding Nazis and communists. This is why you don't see many famous historians, they try to tear them apart as soon as they hear something from them about history.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Spoken like a true cult follower, nothing negative can be said about your prophet.

What is your N Count?

[–]Rodent91 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

A man isn’t valued by his N count, sir.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

this is TRP

[–]Rodent91 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Of course there’s valid criticism of him lol, I like him but I’d like him a lot more if he went into more depth in male relationship issues.

[–]EnemyAsmodeus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've yet to see a single honest or valid criticism offered by you. You just don't like him and believe some conspiracy theories about the UN... Jordan Peterson was never involved with UN. Stop making things up.

[–]VaN__Darkholme 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Who gives a shit, man. Spacey may or not have diddle kids but his movies are fucking solid. Same with Peterson or any other content creator. You need to learn to separate the artist from the art

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

defending a pedo

art

UN Documents on global agendas that impact continents and billions of people, set foreign policy for war, and having <atleast> hundreds of thousands of cultist followers worldwide that also vote in elections is not ART.

STFU

SIDEBAR

LIFT

And on that note, politics is downstream from culture.

[–]krusecontrol912 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The rose colored glasses viewpoint mirage is very compelling if you’re of weak mind and insecure.

Edit before I get downvoted I’m talking about your intended subjects mentality, not yours or ours

[–]gabrieljesusmc1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I’d be interested to converse with the people who think his work is ‘novice reading’ because maps of meaning doesn’t scream novice to me at all

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

People hate JBP because he speaks the truth, and some TRPs just desperately crave pussy instead of becoming a good man.

What makes someone "a good man"?

[–]Rodent9-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good question. It’s obviously going to be somewhat subjective, but I would call a ‘good man’ a man that takes responsibility for his actions, is honest in his speech and employs discipline and grit in his endeavours, to start with at least.

[–]InstigatingDrunk0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

People always forget that sometimes the easiest lessons are the most forgotten.

[–]TBtgoat[S] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

I like this answer. Mainly because it makes complete sense

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

wash your penis

[–]ringchef33 points34 points  (4 children) | Copy

People hate him because his information is esoteric and doesn’t fit into their worldview so they reject him through cognitive bias.

Jungian masculinity and femininity is a very interesting topic.

[–]TBtgoat[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

Okay fair enough, I'll go do some digging on that. Cheers!

[–]EnemyAsmodeus 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

It's amazing how a few interviews where he criticized Stalin and one interview where he criticized Nazis... Is enough to bring out these vicious "critics" of Peterson, all trying to vilify him. But they can't pinpoint what exactly pisses them off about Peterson...

But on neo-nazi forums and communist forums? There you see their real thoughts and why they hate Peterson.

[–]Vikingcel2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Wash your penis

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol

[–]Cods_gift_to_reddit17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

JBP is a therapist. What he does is therapy en masse which means his followers are usually struggling in some way.

That's why some people hate him - he's authentically helping disadvantaged people rather than putting on a self rightous act that many in the public sphere do.

That makes all the 'fake' empathetic people look bad because it becomes obvious that they are self motivated and not genuinely interested in the plight of disadvantaged people.

It can also make people jealous to see others rise.

[–]TheNashvilleConnxion3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's even simpler than this: he's famous and thus his ideas are exposed to people who dislike him.

Think about your own life: you probably believe some things many people would disagree with. And your friend who is different from you also does. But if neither of you is famous, you don't get exposed to thousands of people who vehemently disagree. Peterson does.

[–]dulkemaru5110 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

JBP sees a lot of man children roaming around suffering from dry dick and suicidal depression. What a man child craves is the comforting touch of mommy, that's what makes him a man child; he was never torn away from mommy and forced to fend for himself until he had to kill his inner mommy and become his own daddy... So JBP proclaimed his own role as speech person for these man children. The man children being man children ofc latched onto JBP's lead, beacause they're man children, and they'll follow whoever will speak for them, and whoever pretends to care.

TRP's harsh and humiliaing tone is the deliberate attempt to get man children to build thick skin, kill their inner mommies, and cease being Beta followers. JBP stands in the way of that goal... moreover, since (although not all) the men at TRP care about their man children and want them to become men, they have an additional bone to pick with JBP: JBP DOES NOT CARE ABOUT YOU.

JBP has become rich from incel blood money, by selling them Blue Pills.

JBP declares that incels need to tidy their rooms, clean their dickheads, marry those sluts ... and most importantly ... they need to be basic bitch liberals, like himself. IOW, they need to never question, but always support, the very system, the inevitable conclusion of which, is this dark situation, from which only JBP can save them. So, it's superduper retarded.

...JBP is a deceiver. He promises the man children a happier future, as long as they don't reject the system that made them unhappy, and continue to operate within its rules. He's a slave owner, an agent of the matrix, designed (paid) to keep NPCs from choosing The Red Pill.

Anyone who can see this and is still able to get something from his material, won't feel the need to ask what's wrong with the guy. Anyone who feels hurt by this information needs to keep ripping out the mommy within them; becoming a man is an internal shift. Once you've done it, you'll see things through a new lens. Father figures won't feel like safe anchors anymore. The unicorn dream won't be appealing either, rather the thought of a mommy-gf will feel creepy. A Beta/manchild is afraid of the thought of being the sole author of his own life, the thought of being a god is terrifying to him, while it makes the Alpha's dick hard.

..... If JBP telling you what to do calms you and puts a smile on your face, you've got work to do. Once his orders seem like noise by an arbitrary set of pixels on a screen, you'll have your own permission to be proud of yourself.

[–]kellykebab24 points25 points  (6 children) | Copy

He's said "unwoke" things about the transgender issue and has made criticisms about some female behavior (which, apparently, you're not supposed to ever do). And his defenses of religious allegory often veer oddly close to religious apologetics, which he confusingly keeps denying. So, intellectually, he can be kind of a mixed bag.

But really, honestly? The actual reasons people give a shit? It's because he talks like Kermit, has a skinny, gaunt face, and he often seems kinda angry in a butthurt "beta" fashion. Those are the actual reasons. He could say almost anything at all, but because of those appearance and behavioral factors, at least some people will always have a problem with him. That's how people operate.

You don't have to do these complicated analyses of his philosophy to understand his controversy. You just have to look at basic human behavior and attraction and apply the simplest RP ideas: people respond to physical and behavioral markers of confidence and status. And Peterson is lacking in these areas.

Meanwhile, Christopher Hitchens (while also controversial) was never subject to the same kind of smug contempt that Peterson has been because Hitchens carried himself with ease, charisma and confidence and came across as witty and natural. He didn't rant and rail or scold and he didn't talk like Kermit. He sounded "cool" and that's what people like. Doesn't matter that he actually used a lot of sophistry, double talk, and appeals to emotion. The important part is that he looked and sounded like a man comfortable in his own skin. Peterson often does not.

That's all that matters to most people.

[–]EnemyAsmodeus4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

This is very true. But also a few times he criticized Stalin, communists, and the Nazis in interviews, with great detail... That really crossed a line with some of these conspiracy theorist types. Now they're making up all sorts of lies about him.

[–]Vikingcel0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Wash your penis

[–]VaN__Darkholme0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't really understand why the incels hate Peterson? He hasn't really said bad shit about your communities

[–]kellykebab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, I don't mean to dismiss the actual content of his many public statements.

I'm just trying to identify the central quality (appearance and manner), which I think, sadly, would still be a factor regardless of how many or how few controversial statements he made. But yes, absolutely, more controversial statements will make anyone more controversial. However, attractiveness and charisma can help you recover quicker.

[–]flipdoggers1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Damn. That's some deep TRP truth. Never thought about it that way before

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

He’s analytical & emotionally calculated, very much a thinker. Shockingly the vast majority of people who dislike him are feelers, as betrayed by their obnoxious hatred towards him & complete carelessness over the actual facts surrounding what he says. If you can appeal to feelers & thinkers, then you’re really in business.

[–]andyturbo2000 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

Much of what Peterson says aligns Elbert well with RP. It’s a diet version which I think people on here is a bit low level.

[–]Anacondainahonda2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Diet RP For your friends

[–]Hamster_S_Thompson1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't "hate him" and generally agree that a lot of things he says make sense, but, I think, he is a huckster trying to cash-in on his most gullible followers. I think the most egregious example of that is Peterson Fellowship at some shit-tier MBA program.

[–]Ryabemo2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Imo I think he’s very misunderstood by most people, he’s not a politician or spokesman of any sort but he he’s a psychologist and a philosopher or priest. So I take his opinions as such. He talks about Carl Jung even in these political debates, that should tell you something. It’s just that he’ll get misunderstood because people don’t want to think at all.

[–]Senior Endorsed ContributorFieldLine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think much about him at all.

[–]vicious_armbar5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Via The Black Dragon blog:

Over the last several months, I’ve been bombarded with emails from many of you getting very excited about the new kid on the right-wing block, Jordan Peterson. Peterson has officially replaced Milo Yiannopoulos as the darling of the anti-SJW right since Milo’s fall from grace last year.

As always, since I’m not on the right or the left, and since I view the world through an objective lens rather than a political one, I view Jordan Peterson very differently than the right-wingers who think he’s the greatest thing ever and the left-wingers who despise him. However, before I can explain my position regarding him, I need to clear up a few misconceptions about the right-wing movement which most people either don’t understand, or understand but often forget.

The modern-day right-wing are actually three very different groups:

A.) The anti-SJW’s

B.) The standard right-wing

C.) The traditional conservatives, or “tradcons”

Most people, right and left both, tend to view these three groups as one big ball. In fact, these three groups are very, very different.

The traditional conservatives, or tradcons are the zealots of the right wing. They are focused more on social issues than economic or political ones, and are fundamentally passionate about them, often to insane degrees. Their life advice is always the same:

  1. Shut up, calm down, and “grow up.” Stop having all this sex and having fun and stuff. That’s immoral, childish, and/or nihilistic.

  2. Be a Christian, and give yourself to God. It doesn’t fucking matter that the Bible doesn’t make any sense. It’s what’s best for society, so shut up.

  3. Get legally, monogamously married (because that’s what a “real man does”), and if you’re white, marry someone else white (to “save the white race”). It doesn’t matter what the divorce rate is. Just shut the fuck up and get married because that’s what society needs.

  4. Have lots and lots of kids because kids are the meaning of life, you have an obligation to your race, and you need kids and grand kids to take care of you and entertain you when you’re old (which is no longer true these days, but that’s what they believe).

  5. Vote for Republicans (or other right-wingish parties) religiously, because they’re the only ones who can Save Us™. (Never mind the fact that Republican politicians like George W. Bush are the direct cause of the collapse of the USA, but that’s a discussion for another time, and a different blog.)

Tradcons mean well. They really do. Some of the men I’m close to in my personal life are tradcons, and I love and respect them. The problem is that their advice is calibrated for a man living in circa 1952 at the zenith of Western power, not a man living in the 21st Century in a crumbling society like Collapsing USA, Suicidal Europe, or Cuckoo Canada. Taking the above advice in 1952 was a pretty good idea. Taking that advice today means you’ll probably destroy your future.

That brings us back to Jordan Peterson. I like Peterson and have enjoyed many of his videos like many of you have. His points about the neo-Marxists and postmodernists are all accurate. His anti-SJW points and arguments are sound, and I agree with them all.

So far, so good.

Just one problem. He’s a closet tradcon.

Oh, don’t get me wrong. He’s a very smart tradcon. Unlike most tradcons (including many who post on my blogs from time to time) he doesn’t walk around screaming his head off about how you need to have kids for the good of society or how you need to give your life to Jesus. No, instead he makes lots of very rational, objective, sound arguments, and then every once in a while, his tradcon-ness slips out. A quick comment about how happiness isn’t important, a brief statement about how kids are the meaning of life, a quick side-comment about how porn is bad, and so on.

Now, if YOU are a tradcon, then by all means, go for it! Drink up Jordan Peterson as much as you want. He’s your guy.

But, if you’re an objective thinker like I am, you need to be a little careful. Be very aware that in the midst of Peterson’s sound, anti-socialist, anti-SJW arguments (all of which I agree with!) he laces them with a bunch of outdated tradcon bullshit. If all you do is absorb 100% of his content, you’ll miss it, but your subconscious mind will internalize it. If you take action on it later in life, you’re going to suffer the usual consequences of beta males and Alpha Male 1.0’s as they do things like: go to college to get a degree in a stupid field (like psychology), get traditionally married, crank out kids, go into debt, and stupidly hope that politics will solve all of their problems. You’ll end up in divorce court, spending thousands of dollars you don’t have trying to get visitation of your kids while being unable to ever retire.

But, if you keep your eyes and ears open while you listen to him or read his stuff, you’ll be aware of the tradcon stuff he occasionally throws in there, and then you’ll be fine.

Tradcons reading this are going to interpret this article as a hit piece on Jordan Peterson. It is not. For the third time, I really like the guy and watch his videos all the time on YouTube. I will probably get around to reading his book someday too. He’s great. I’m just warning you to be aware of his very subtle and very clever placing of tradcon programming in his content. If that’s not the kind of life you want (it certainly isn’t what I want), you need to be careful, and keep your ears open.

[–]GazeAtFlames3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're an absolute brainlet

[–]EnemyAsmodeus0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Traditional conservatives have all sorts of different views.

How did you divide right-wing into 3 parts without mentioning Nazis or far-right or Russians or religious nuts or 'Reagan-Democrats'?

If you fixed marriage laws and divorce laws, what is wrong with marriage or kids? If you fixed it: it would be great.

There you have it gentlemen, one other category of Peterson critics: they hate marriage. But again, if you fixed it, what do you have to hate Jordan Peterson for?

Edit: By Russian I am referring to Russian trolls who are paid to ideologically cause chaos in Western civilization. Not Russians who protest against tyrant Putin for example.

[–]Vikingcel2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Tfw being a Russian makes you right-wing.

[–]jug3r772 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

if you take anything away from any book there is no way you should be consider an asshole or feel like your missing anything.

[–]TBtgoat[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I remember a couple weeks back, a user tried to make a series regarding the 12 chapters in the book on trp sub. I was excited because it was around the time I was finishing the book.

However I read many comments bashing JBP and haven't seen another post about the series. I'm assuming those two things are related.

[–]le_king_falcon1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The book itself is pretty poor tbh.

The 12 rules themselves are not bad, but they are far from revolutionary. It didn't need a whole book. His overuse of Cain and Abel as the crux of many of his arguments borders on religious zealotry and lazy writing.

My final takeway from the book was,yes the 12 rules are potentially a good way to operate and made a great Quora post but why the ever living fuck did they need to be espoused over 400+ pages? Add to that my other takeaway wasn't how good the book was but that I really want to read the Gulag Archipelago as it sounds like a much more profound work and it made me want to read Nietzsche for similar reasons.

[–]beefthathasredmiddle1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You aren’t missing anything. If you find is outlook to be positive then who cares what others think.

[–]TheFlyingPro1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

He has some blue pill traits, for example there is a video-lecture in which he condemns PUAs basically saying they are even psychopaths.

But, in general, I agree that there is some unjustified hate for him in trp community, and 12 Rules is a pretty good book

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Hate is a strong word that I wouldn't use.

However, Peterson is counterproductive if your goal is saving the West.

The reason is, he pushes individualism in a time of collectivisation.

The stuff about "clean your room," "stand up straight with your shoulders back," "treat yourself like someone you're responsible for helping," those are good -- basic, immutable, how-to-live-better stuff.

That's the sugar coating on his individualism shit-pill. He seems like he's on the Right, because he talks out against the excesses of the Left, but the philosophy he's selling will actually kill the Right.

This meme sums it up.

I can go into more detail if anyone cares.

[–]Vouch33r0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I care, please elaborate. You provided short yet very imaginative response.

[–]Endorsed Contributorleftajar1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm going to say some things that mind sound extreme to you. Please understand, I'm just trying to be accurate about what's happening.

Currently, the American Right is on the verge of completely losing political power. The Left, who are really just the footsoldiers of the globalist neo-Liberal elite, has executed a demographic coup. The data is extremely clear: nonwhites vote over 70% for the Left. Given that most immigration -- both legal and illegal! -- are nonwhites, this will disenfranchise the Right. Frankly, we're almost there: Texas will flip blue in one or two election cycles; Trump is likely the last Republican president in our lifetimes.

So, the great question is, will white people wake up?

Now we get to Jordan Peterson.

His audience primarily consists of disaffected young white men. Guys who have been deliberately marginalized by the anti-white system we live in.

HOWEVER, rather than offer these men a positive white identity, Jordan steers them towards individualism and classical liberalism, the same philosophies that made us weak to this demographic subversion in the first place. If "everyone's the same," then who cares what our immigrants look like?

This is where Peterson is a complete shithead, lying by omission. He is aware of racial IQ differences. BUT, he will only discuss it when asked directly, in this case by Douglas Murray.

For him to refuse to evangelize such foundational anti-Left information, when his whole platform is anti-Left, is at best negligent and at worst downright evil.

And thus we arrive at the conclusion:

Jordan Peterson's "job" in the world, is to prevent the rise of white consciousness and identity, by redirecting legitimate white grievances towards the failed ideology of individualism. He actually serves the interests of the elites, while appearing to nominally push back against the Left.

He offers people legitimately good self-help, in the form of "clean your room" et al, to earn their trust. And then abuses that trust by installing an individualistic framework that will hasten the decline of whites, as a group. It's a sugar-coated shit-pill.

And for doing that, he has been made quite wealthy.

[–]endurered2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you think he is a good representation of masculinity and a gateway to red pill you are out of your mind. His wife has cheated on him and takes bikini photos routinely on her instagram.

[–]RPDream1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

He is hated by the matrix. He is hated by feminists and blue pill community because he exposed their failure. That’s it. Within the redpill community, however, he should be considered a godfather!

[–]youcantdenythat0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

More like a purple pilled little brother

[–]RPDream0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You should see his debates with feminists and leftists. He left them speechless with his strong argument. He suffered a lot because of his honest public opinion. So you should not expect him to look as “red-pilled” as those hiding behind a keyboard.

[–]TBtgoat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm very shocked by the amount of responses I received. If I had to write a paper about the polarizing JBP this is all I'd need lol.

[–]caddydz0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

It's not self help when it's a book written by somebody else, it's help

[–]TBtgoat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for contributing

[–]Vikingcel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"You don't get laid with green shit that comes out of a bottle."

[–]theislander8490 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because the truth is dangerous in a world of lies.

[–]Jabbatheslut66660 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Idk I like some of his stiff but the whole you need to be socially accepted stuff is bs imo

[–]A_Wizard17170 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Some of his political ideas aren't solid truths but his university lectures are excellent

[–]PIGamer860 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

He’s not a womanizer.

[–]canis_lupus_arctos0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

He regularly kicks people in their ideological balls, so that's one thing. Personally I dislike his tendency to talk about things he has no expertise in while failing to mark his views as such.

[–]EdgyMcdonuts0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Such a simple answer. They hate him because he’s a credible intellectual who disagrees with leftist ideas.

[–]DevilMayCry0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I didn’t like his book because he takes entire chapters to explain concepts that can be simplified to one or two sentences.

[–]huntersam130 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The atheist community hates him because he teaches some valuable lessons can be learned from old archetypal mythological stories.

[–]Granite_Pill 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

He refuses to answer the the JQ.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

He's a self-righteous hypocrite that doesn't follow his own rules.

[–]WaltDFaulkens-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because he’s not confirming the lies they tell themselves.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Idk why they hate him. He is a symbol of high principles and therefore people look up to him. I suppose if you don’t look up to those high principles then you don’t look up to him. Or maybe just don’t see that he represents them.

[–]piratelostboi-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

He preys on 'weak' people who he also openly hates.

[–]FaP_caesar-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because haterz always hate successful men.

Look at Donald Trump. He makin america great again. And look how many is hatin on him.

[–]WahmynsLoveGlobohomo-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

You have two kinds of people that dislike him, those on the far-left and those in the very very far right.

The far left hates him because he doesn't go along with their neo-marxist / postmodernist bullcrap.

The very very far right dislike him because he always avoids giving criticism about (((a certain group of people))) when asked in Q.A. sessions. Some of those on the very very far right accuse him of controlled opposition.

[–]44361066 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Here’s why I hate him https://youtu.be/WXYuqrO8LLo



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