Do TRPillers actually want women to sympathize with them?

bala-key · 2017-05-21T13:39:58+00:00

Red pillers don't need sympathy. They want to get laid and they want to understand the rules of the game they have to play to get there.

Pity won't get them laid. Nobody gives a fuck about weak men in society. Not women, not men.

There is too much whining and bitching and complaining on the TRP sub. It's weak. It's not masculine. It's the wrong mindset. It's counterproductive.

TRP should aim for masculine stoicism.

alreadyredschool · 2017-05-21T10:28:53+00:00

If they did they could probably understand. I recently watched the red pill movie and the hatred anti mras have for MRA is astonishing, they are perpetually offended for no reason.

If you care to understand read this comment, it's child comments and the stuff I linked, especially this one

Yo thanks for gilding this 1 year old comment!

despisedlove2 · 2017-05-21T09:44:51+00:00

RP is a somewhat delayed realization that the love game is amoral combat in which no quarter is given, and none should be expected.

Only a BP mangina white knight, or his frustrated cousin, an incel, are entitled and deluded enough to expect anything like sympathy from women.

Pope_Lucious · 2017-05-21T07:06:29+00:00

It would nice if women sympathized. But I don't expect most of them to honestly. Men complaining is often viewed as whiny and weak. And whiny, weak men aren't given the time of day by anyone in society. Having said that, it would be nice if women would try to understand the male perspective more. Many of Red Pillers' claims are fairly straightforward and seem reasonable on an obvious level to me. Divorce laws are a real, tangible problem we could address with a little sympathy from the other side for example. But I'm not holding my breath waiting on it.

ClarityofDisaster · 2017-05-21T11:22:35+00:00

While it is indeed true that a decent amount of TRP and MGTOW believe that women are incapable/unwilling to empathize with male-specific issues (or even gender neutralissues that men just face more often), that doesn't have any bearing on my, or any woman’s, actual ability to do so. Being told "you're one a them females what can't understand men's troubles!!!" doesn’t magically take away my empathy or make me reconsider going to bat for men. Rather, it strengthens my resolve to do so.

I used to write for a now defunct blog dedicated to pro-MGTOW discussions, and yes...even though all my posts were heavily empathetic towards men and well received by most readers, there was always a handful of MGTOW or TRP commenters who claimed I was a liar, a female chameleon, a charlatan, or said I got paid to say these things. A few even believed I was a man pretending to be a female, as my posts were +75% masculine according to that "male or female writer" site you can plug writing samples into.

But y'know what? I also got a ton of private messages from readers who thanked me for caring enough about men's rights and MGTOW issues to write about them. Even here on Reddit, I will get a bunch of PMs every year for the same reason. Knowing that my words have helped men who are struggling with the misandry of our society is what makes these discussions worthwhile. I don't need every single male in the world to believe I'm a "NAWALT", and if someone feels better thinking I'm a liar? Well, they are free to believe whatever they want. But women who are able to keep empathizing with men and can spread the word about men's problems should continue to do so, despite the naysayers. It's not just them that we are helping, it's all the other guys out there too.

ThrowawayCactus6012 · 2017-05-21T15:12:50+00:00

I don't know that "sympathy" is really the issue here. I would say it's more a matter of awareness, intelligence, and understanding that actions and choices have consequences. In other words, women need to smarten up and stop playing dumb.

I don't really care if women sympathize with men or not. I know many of them do, but that's beside the point. The problem that I've seen these past decades is an inordinate amount of attention on feminist issues and demands for sympathy from men. I think some men might be wearing from the strain and are looking to free themselves of any societal obligations to have sympathy for women and their issues. A lot of men just really don't want to hear it anymore.

I can't speak for all men, but some might say "I don't need your sympathy, but please don't ever ask for mine - because you're not going to get it."

PieceBringer · 2017-05-21T16:47:25+00:00

I don't really think women empathise with men, yes, even outside PPD and I'm saying this as a man and not as an RPiller.

I had a converation with one of my close femae friends and she admitted that woman don't feel empathy for men because men don't show emotion like they do it's life she felt as if we don't have emotions. I coudn't feel empathy inside of a relationship, so I'm not even expecting it anywhere outside of one.

daveofmars · 2017-05-21T19:14:04+00:00

Do you seriously think women want men to suffer and that they're responsible for every shitty law and every shitty decision of judges?

No, I don't think women want men to suffer. I don't think it's rational to believe that 100% of an entire sex wants to harm the other. That cuts both ways against radical Feminism and radical RP/MRA/MGTOW/etc.

But what I will say is that women, like all human beings, have a hierarchy of priorities. I think most do care about men, but most care about themselves and their sex first. If they have the mistaken idea that men are so far above them in terms of benefits and privileges then they probably won't care about men at all until their needs, as they perceive them, are met. The problem with that is whether their perceptions are correct or not. Overblown assumptions that men are so far ahead of women is what's keeping back parity between men and women.

This is what gets TRP so angry and many of those guys mistakenly think that this temporary state of events, where women are concerned about themselves more than men, is an ingrained, biological thing, which may be true, but I believe liberalism and feminism have had more influence on that perception than biology.

Utterberetacht · 2017-05-21T11:30:07+00:00

I don’t. A weak man is treated with contempt.

Atauturk24 · 2017-05-21T07:59:10+00:00

Firstly 2 things HAVE to be removed from the law

Mandatory child support
alimony...

Only then can u claim for equality

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trpobserver · 2017-05-21T20:03:29+00:00

The idea that women never sympathize with men is of course false

My perspective has always been that women will readily sympathize with men, but it is extremely rare that a woman will empathize with men.

Entropy-7 · 2017-05-22T09:43:10+00:00

I think guys want respect and a better alignment of the say-do dichotomy that too many women exhibit.

badnews4u · 2017-05-21T10:09:47+00:00

they wont because its in their self-interest to not or they dont care which is fine. the ones that do help are outliers and arnt prime 20 somethings for example, which is the main group trp is concerned with for most part

[deleted] · 2017-05-21T08:12:56+00:00

I don't believe TRPillers want or expect women to sympathize with men

I think in a way they do. They want the pity party if you will or that possibly like that with MRA's the acknowledgment of their issues. As the reality is most men's issues aren't acknowledges really and if they are its downplayed to playing second fiddle to that of women's.

they treat even women that do sympathize with men with suspicion.

Wouldn't you as well if getting sympathy from women was a rarity and not common? I know women do show sympathy to men, but its far from being common. Its really no different for feminists to be suspicious of a man and that a white one at that saying they are a feminist.

Multiple women have stood up for men.

Multiple women/feminists have fought against men as well as well as their issues. And this isn't just militant feminists either. Its easy to basically label the feminists that do this as "militant" but moderate and mainstream feminists do this as well.

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Date	May 21, 2017 6:54 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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