If everyone is equally wealthy, will people still complain about gender inequality?

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No, it is that they are not happy with themselves and need others to change so they feel better. Classic projection. Women still haven't figured out how to be happy no matter how much power they get. They keep blaming men and expecting men to fix their problems for them. Better lean in, guys. Women need your help even though they are strong, independent and don't need your help.

Have a look at the rape hysteria. Rape has been declining and such a small number of men do it, yet you'd swear there were rapists around every corner the way feminists go on. It starts to make sense when you realise women have more rape fantasies than men and thus fear it more than men do. They are projecting their issues onto men. It is narcissistic ("omg all these men want to rape me! They are willing to break the law to get into my pants!), irrational and irresponsible. So when they try to expand the definition of rape to include that she "felt" raped, and people think it is okay, you realise that nothing society does will fix women's problems because there will always be another boogeyman to fight.

Those women who have figured out that their happiness starts with them, and they are not perpetual victims at the hands of men, don't need to fight an imaginary patriarchy to feel like they are improving the lives of women.

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I don't know.

That's not unusual. Christians have the same response when I name-drop evil theocrats, and left-wingers have the same response when I name-drop African dictators.

Witchwind and BitingBeaver aren't YouTubers, they're radfems infamous for hating all men very, very, very much (look up RadFemHub for more examples of people who think Valerie Solanas's SCUM Manifesto--the rantings of a mentally ill shooter--is a good book). In BitingBeaver's case, this translated to IRL actions.

What do people who I suppose are extremist feminists have to do with the question

Why are the people who favor castration or consider PIV sex rape all in Western societies? If it were a response to misogyny, women with (at least secretly held) radfem beliefs would be way more common in Mauritania or Saudi Arabia than in the United States or Sweden, whether we measure misogyny by laws treating women worse than men or by economic measures of inequality (hint: in Afghanistan, women make a lot less than the much-bemoaned 77-cents-per-dollar) or by illiteracy statistics (again, far fewer women than men in Afghanistan are allowed education). It would make way more sense for someone with Ayaan Hirsi-Ali's or Lema Gbowee's background to arrive at Witchwind's beliefs--or for that matter Chanty "Big Red" Binx's beliefs--than for someone with Witchwind's ba. Andrea Dworkin wasn't sexually abused or physically abused by her father, she liked him very much. Jocelyn Zichterman was--read the excerpts of I Fired God available on Google Books, it's horrific rage-inducing shit, especially the fact that Bart Jansz isn't rotting in maximum-security prison right now. Which one hated men more?

If all females are illogical

The argument was that feminists are illogical and their emotions are impossible to grok. The complaints about "periods hurt" or stuff like that, by contrast, hits hard in the feels and is perfectly easy to empathize with. To the point that I actually liked TrollXChromosomes in 2014 before it went the SRS direction and I got banned for interrupting a fantasy circlejerk.

For a specific example, NAWALT-types aren't irrational. Be they libertarians or FPH members or STEM majors or race realists or other counterexamples to the irrational, pro-fatlogic, pro-PC, pro-religion, pro-censorship, pro-bullshit paradigm. When a woman displays such traits, it's valuable.

That doesn't mean "you have to be a clone of male TumblrInAction users." Sexual dimorphism isn't a bad thing--I can't pull off anime emoticons, but I absolutely loved it when /u/KikiCat did it.

why bother responding to this present comment at all?

The point of a debate isn't to sway your opponent, it's to sway the audience. Also, I'm autistic and therefore pedantic and unwilling to let "wait, that's incorrect, and it might be accepted!" stuff go unchallenged.

It's not just my opinion. People like Peter Boghossian and other street epistemologists--in other words, people who have extensive experience and skill at changing someone's deeply-held views--don't tell people what to think. You don't walk up to a religious person and say "god's not real." What changes their views is the Socratic method. Ask questions. Never be aggressive or confrontational.

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That's not unusual. Christians have the same response when I name-drop evil theocrats, and left-wingers have the same response when I name-drop African dictators. Witchwind and BitingBeaver aren't YouTubers, they're radfems infamous for hating all men very, very, very much (look up RadFemHub for more examples of people who think Valerie Solanas's SCUM Manifesto--the rantings of a mentally ill shooter--is a good book). In BitingBeaver's case, this translated to IRL actions.

I looked at the two examples and no doubt, based on that info these two crazies really are bitches. But what do these two have to do with gender and wealth, or are you just name-dropping people you hate here?

How does their wealth, or wealth in general, relate to these two feminists and their ugly opinions? And how did we get into Christianity so quickly?

I asked this question below and didn't get a proper response:

What do people who I suppose are extremist feminists have to do with the question

Why are the people who favor castration or consider PIV sex rape all in Western societies?

Castration and rape? Are we talking about wealth and gender still? Why not?

The "I don't know" in my message referred to the fact that my university experience was one where wealth discrepancy was the biggest social divide, not gender. That is: when class issues become part of a society, this issue may shape the environment more than gender issues.

What does subs like TrollXChromosomes and SRS have to do with the issue?

The point of a debate isn't to sway your opponent, it's to sway the audience. Also, I'm autistic and therefore pedantic and unwilling to let "wait, that's incorrect, and it might be accepted!" stuff go unchallenged.

OK. I understand wanting to have an impact and getting an audience to listen to your view, but I'm wondering what you think of the gender versus class argument... rather than what extremist feminists and religious audiences believe about general life issues.

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Thanks for the response, I would have gotten back to you earlier if I didn't have to fix my computer.

The "I don't know" in my message referred to the fact that my university experience was one where wealth discrepancy was the biggest social divide, not gender. That is: when class issues become part of a society, this issue may shape the environment more than gender issues.

Smart of your class.

OK. I understand wanting to have an impact and getting an audience to listen to your view,

That's what I like about Peter Boghossian and Street Epistemology. The IRL-proven method for actually changing someone's views isn't telling them what they're supposed to believe. Boghossian doesn't do what Atheism Plus types like P.Z. Myers do and run up to theists saying "God's not real!" Instead, he asks questions and introduces doubt into their beliefs. Far more effective than the conventional method of telling people the right answer. "How do you know the Dark Side is true?" is far more likely to eventually change someone's views than "you should leave the Dark Side! The Sith are Evil!"

but I'm wondering what you think of the gender versus class argument...

Inequality of opportunity is bad, not inequality of outcome.

rather than what extremist feminists and religious audiences believe about general life issues.

Historically, the latter groups had more influence, particularly on legislation regarding pornography or access to transition.

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Plus the industrial prison complex and the war on drugs are to a degree racially motivated

I'd much rather legalize drugs and get rid of three-strikes laws and anti-discrimination laws than have the current system. Even the miserable shitlib states like California and New York are very happy to have draconian three-strikes laws. I'd rather have freedom of association.

If having lots of blacks and mestizos in your neighborhood is a good thing, why on earth don't Tim Wise or Diane Feinstein want to live with said diversity? It's like a guy who goes to the strip club and then lectures other men about how evil they are to be red-blooded heterosexuals, and how they should be looking at bear porn because looking at trap porn is proof they have flaming, oppressive heterosexuality. Personally, I'm fine with neighbors of any background if they have a high IQ despite the social trust stuff in Robert Putnam's research, but white liberals can't even stand having Chinese neighbors--a.k.a. people who don't chimp out or turn your neighborhood into a high-crime dump.

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We don't have "more equality" than men.

In various areas you do. Cops are much more likely to arrest a man over a woman. Schools favor women over men. There's more help/resources for female victims of what ever than there are for men, prime example being that of domestic abuse (don't think there's a single male shelter in the whole US). The government even under Trump gives more money to women than men (talking about research, programs, etc). Etc etc etc

I would say women are still more likely to be raped

Recent studies seem to say otherwise.

don't try to make it a game of who has it worse like feminists do

Not making it a race so much so pointing out the fact that even when women clearly are more equal than men feminists will still bitch about women not being equal.

But it's still the best situation for women it's ever been.

And it continues to get better for them while the same can't be said for men.

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Title	If everyone is equally wealthy, will people still complain about gender inequality?
Author	TheBlackQuill
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Date	April 17, 2017 8:13 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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