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Why does America get so prudish about porn but not violence? And how has it affected the American sexual/dating market?

Candy_Kittens

January 31, 2017
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Title Why does America get so prudish about porn but not violence? And how has it affected the American sexual/dating market?
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Candy_Kittens

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Date January 31, 2017 6:42 AM UTC
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[–]MagicGainbowKeepin' it real, havin' a feel20 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Because America was founded by settlers so prudish even 16th century England didn't want them.

[–]darla103 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then the sexual repression is released through the ❤️ of violence. We are kinky to the core.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Those roundheads were sooo boring, sucked the life out of everything.

[–]MagicGainbowKeepin' it real, havin' a feel1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In England they literally banned Christmas for a brief period ffs.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they HATED fun!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

The Bible.

Soooooo much violence. Torture porn. No fucking allowed!

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Yes Jacob had 12 sons by 2 wives and 2 handmaidens by not fucking. David didn't fuck Bathsheba, Abraham didn't fuck Sarah and Hagar. All those begats? Parthenogenesis

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Procreation is always supported by religious fundamentalists. They sort masses of kids and are still prudish about fucking.

And you know this.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

and you know theres plenty of fucking in the bible, just not the libertine kind you prefer

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean rape?

And unless you're talking King Solomon or King David, you're right. By the time the New Testament arrives you cannot even think about fucking someone you're not married to.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Wasn't Jesus literally hanging out with prostitutes in the bible even? Pretty sure that's where the name Jezebel comes from, she was a prostitute in the bible.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Jezebel comes from, she was a prostitute in the bible.

Actually there is no indication that she was a prostitute at all. She was a Phonecian princess that married King Ahab and turned him to the worship of Baal but no actual mention of prostitution. She was seen as a bad woman because her husband turned away from his faith to hers.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Huh I thought she was a prostitute but that's just something I heard, fair enough.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well you know how it goes - bring in one idol and suddenly you are the village bicycle.

[–]yo_radical_one points points points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You're wasting your time correcting idiots with their meme-tier understanding of religion.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin points points points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It's embarrassing

[–]EchoZeroElevenPursuing Answers to Unknown Questions1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Come now, there's plenty of sex in the Bible.

King David sent his friend to the front lines of a war, intentionally to get him killed all so he could sleep with the dude's wife.

King Solomon (AKA wisest man ever) had hundreds of concubines.

Edit:

Someone in the town of Sodom gets gang-raped to death

Angels sleep with human women, thus producing the Nephilim.

Abraham sleeps with his concubine in addition to his wife.

I'm sure there's more, but I can't remember it all.

The whole Song of Solomon is a lengthy exposition about ancient romanticism and euphemisms for sex.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The New Testament is quite different, as I think you know, and that is what is referenced by modern Christians when it comes to sexual morality.

The only time they talk about the OT is when they are desperately trying to justify their discrimination against gay folks.

[–]EchoZeroElevenPursuing Answers to Unknown Questions1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Besides the laws regarding slavery and multiple wives, views about sex has largely remained the same - reserved for marriage, and frequent sex within marriage is encouraged and commended.

What changed the most was the introduction of "sin forgiveness", which has led to Christians having an attitude of "it's in his/her past, it doesn't matter anymore."

Christians like to conveniently forget about the OT at their leisure though.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What changed was also Jesus preaching about "impure thoughts" as sin, which is a significant difference from the OT.

[–]EchoZeroElevenPursuing Answers to Unknown Questions0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was just discussing this with family recently.

Brace yourself, we're about to hit the "grey zone" here.

A passing thought, impulse, or temptation is not bad. Ruminating and deliberately entertaining such thoughts are bad.

It's made clear in NT that a person should strive to control their thoughts.

Some people would equate that to Law of Attraction, but I digress.

[–]midnightvulpine4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's the last remnants of an older culture that, hopefully, will slowly die out over time. The double standard between the two is just plain silly.

[–]daveofmarsFor Martian Independence3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Because America was first colonized by puritans and we've had a violent history with revolution, civil war and westward expansion. Both are deep in our culture.

I don't think it affects the dating market much tbh.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Every nation that achieved any sort of success has a history of violence. I hate Michael Moore, but Bowling for Columbine made some great points.

[–]IIHotelYorbatreats objects like women6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I've thought about this a number of times throughout my life, and at this point I'm convinced it's just the culture. Go to Europe and you can see places where they censor violence but have titties on billboards. People try to push back against both in America and Europe.

I don't think the restrictions are that severe in either place, so I don't know if it has an effect.

That said, I think porn has influenced us culturally, and for the better. Feminist fearmongering of course tries to make it seem that porn (like everything else) will cause an terrible undue burden on young women, saddling them with "unrealistic expectations." In my experience, girls now are far, far more into dirty shit like deepthroating and anal. Which as far as I'm concerned is great.

[–]GridReXXit be like that8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I remember being 14 in Europe and seeing a billboard for something like liquor or cologne and the billboard was literally a male model looking guy with his jeans unzipped and his pubic hair and some of the shaft of his penis showing.

And then of course at news stands I noticed that all of the fashion mags were allowed to showcase nudity in a way they aren't in America. German Vogue has full nudity. American Vogue does not even show tits.

I realized that Europe definitely had a more laissez faire approach to sexuality and nudity.

[–]EchoZeroElevenPursuing Answers to Unknown Questions0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Wait, they censor violence? Is that a cultural thing for them?

[–]IIHotelYorbatreats objects like women0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Some countries don't at all, but others like the U.K. didn't allow several famous horror movies to enter the country until 20 some odd years after they were originally released. Germany is also very strict, and has gotten quite a few video game companies to make special censored versions of games just for their market.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's no real censorship of violence in the UK today though. However thanks to David Cameron, who ironically has no problem fucking dead pigs, we have stupidly strict porn laws.

[–]EchoZeroElevenPursuing Answers to Unknown Questions1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmm, that does remind me of how Manhunt video games were straight up banned in some countries.

It's so strange - violence is so normal in American entertainment...it sounds so odd to hear it banned anywhere.

Different culture, different values I guess.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That tidbit about Germany had to do with Nazi symbolism, if I'm recalling correctly. Europe in general doesn't care about violence.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Old American values were WASP values

Nu Americans are absolutely not prudish about porn or anything of the sort

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, that's blue state hipsters with their 30 genders. Plenty of Americans still feel that sex should be in a relationship. Actually NuAmericans (immigrants) are more likely to be prudes.

[–]VermiciousKnidzzBlue Pill Man1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

American society would rather children be violent than sexually active. i blame the generation of combo bible-thumpers and gun toters.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

this is really stupid im sorry, nudity and language are regulated on NETWORK tv, because we still have the dinosaur FCC which regulates the sexual and "bad language" content of BROADCAST tv and radio, its not the PEOPLE who are prudish, its a ancient unmoving government agency. cable tv isnt regulated for content by the FCC and thats why theres porn on cinemax and in HBO shows.

no one under 70 watches network tv anymore, do they? i mean im old as the hills and i havent seen network tv in over 10 years

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

its not the PEOPLE who are prudish

There's still enough religious prudish folk around.

nudity and language are regulated on NETWORK tv

Plus video games and online platforms. Like a few years ago if you wanted to see tits on YouTube you had to look for German videos because they were somehow uncensored and didn't get deleted.

Witcher 3 for example is about Geralt of Rivia, who is a notorious killer and nymphomaniac.

In the European version of the game you see breasts all the time. Perfectly rendered boobs with jiggly boob physics and even in-game trading cards with nude chicks.

But in America they got the censored version.

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

This is a few places in Europe not even all of Europe. This isn't "the world". You don't see ass 24/7 on TV in Asia, Africa or the Middle East like you do here.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The "in Europe you see tits all the time" part was simply in regards to the uncensored version of the game.

In other words "in the European version of the game"

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Very few working class people watch skinemax and hbo shows. Most people watch youtube and yes, network tv. Youtube is censored for content.

The majority of people in my area only watched game of thrones when torrents became available.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

its not the PEOPLE who are prudish, its a ancient unmoving government agency.

Yep big difference, same as the Tories enacting strict porn laws in the UK even though most guys here watch porn covered by said laws, the government is simply out of touch with the public what else is new? Tonight a special report that the sky is in fact blue?

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Why does America get so prudish about porn but not violence?

America is not prudish about porn or violence. Where did you get this idea from?

[–]SlashCo805 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes it is. You can show people getting shot and blown up on TV, but if half a tit gets accidentally exposed it's a national scandal.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean on the three legacy network channels only baby boomers watch from the 50s? I'm pretty sure everyone under 70 isn't watching those channels

[–]GridReXXit be like that5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes it is. Janet Jackson showing a boob (not even the nipple!) resulted in a nation wide scandal.

Whereas I can see death and vulgar violence in commercials.

edit

I see everyone is getting hung up on "porn."

We know OP means nudity and sexuality in general. And while porn is widespread it's not "blah" as a subject as it is in European countries.

[–]Candy_Kittens[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, that is what i meant. Not porn in the literal sense. Just basic sexuality stuff.

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know what you meant 😊

But Reddit is full of pedants who prefer to miss the forrest for the trees so they can feel good about winning an internet debate in the literal sense 🙃.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like westworld and game of thrones?

[–]A22H013 points points points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yes it is. Janet Jackson showing a boob (not even a nipple) resulted in a nation wide scandal.

I'm less convinced that was an actual scandal and more a 24/7 controversy fest purely by the cable companies who had nothing better going on at the time. Then some groups seeking spotlight jumped on.

No one I talked to at the time, young or old, gave a shit. Also, reactions to porn in America are very different depending where you go to. Maybe it's evil in the heart of the bible belt, but on the coasts Idk an area that would care all that much.

[–]GridReXXit be like that0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah idk.

Until I see billboards and commercials and news programming and newspapers and magazines and general commonplace marketing similar to what I saw in Europe I'll continue thinking that America is more prudish about sexuality and nudity than Europe.

Additionally I don't think OP meant expressly "porn."

Pretty sure they meant sexuality and nudity in general.

[–]Candy_Kittens[S] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't be stupid, of course America is prudish about porn.

[–]LyaninaBlue Pill0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. I could understand something mentioning nudity on screen in movies or series, but porn? Uh...

[–]questioningwomandetached from society1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Americans aren't prudish about porn. Now 11 year olds are on porn and by the time people turn 16 they've pretty much seen every sex act and crazy fetish.

[–]A22H013 points points points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

This was the case 10-15 years ago already unless the internet connection was shitty. 20-25 years ago was the first internet (broad) generation and back then they actually had to seek it out... and then consume it mostly in the form of pictures, LOL.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

22 years ago I worked in a video store with a giant porn video room. People have vcrs are kids found their parents porn tapes in the 80s

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[–]anitapkcsarlbmed ggse0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because violence mostly affects a part of the population while everyone enjoys and (has the possibility to) pisses off wives/girlfriends

[–]sunkindonut149Blue Pill Mouse0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most world cultures aren't like the French about porn either. America is not "uniquely prudish" and France isn't "the world".

Go look at media in any country. American TV has more sex than most countries outside of a few places in Western Europe.

[–]Christian_Kong80% Natural Red0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm going to go by this country being a Christian, gun loving nation.

I don't think this has much effect on the current dating market, but there was a couple hundred years of sexual repression. Sexuality was looked down upon for a long time, now a days most 14 year olds have seen it all on the internet.

[–]Me2_00 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe its fucked up this generation a bit. The dating market has less people in it because people are too scared to go approach girls. The red pill exists and the incel sub.

The issue is the lack of nudity in mainstream media combined with the unlimited availability of porn has created a society of fuckers, and wanabe fuckers, who literally cant sustain a relationship for jack shit, yet they want to fuck everything in sight.

[–]Entropy-7Old Goat0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One of the most bizarre manifestations of this was with the video for Paranoid Android

It was animated and included sequences with topless mermaids and a guy getting his limbs cut off with a chainsaw. Much Music, in Canada, censored the chainsaw images while MTV, in the USA, censored the cartoon boobies.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Americans arent prudish about porn. They have a schizophrenic relationship with nudity. I can see "rape" involving short cuts and clothing on network TV late at night, think crime dramas. I cannot show a woman's tits while she walks around her house, as people do IRL. This may contribute to why wide angles are less common in American pornography and why a genre involving speculums exists.

[–]mvsr9900 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Puritans isn't quite the right answer - sexual freedom for men (ie brothels and mistresses) was no less common for Americans than Europeans for most of our history. It's only in the early 20th century that you see open prostitution regulated out of existence and later a more generalized attack on sexuality (particularly 'deviant') with things like the Hays Code heavily restricting sexuality in popular media.

I'm not an expert by any means but this seems to have started with the Third Great Awakening - those particular Protestant revivalists also fed into temperance societies and early drug prohibition and other forms of social control. (Women were key to all these movements - which is how we get criminalized sex work but also universal suffrage.)

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

America is prudish about porn?

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

America is prudish about nudity on TV, in public or in school.

I can see bare uncensored tits in the noon news on TV. Billboards can show nipples. In school we've got real sex education and they show porn and talk about how unrealistic it is, they talk about sexting and the dangers associated with it and even let the teens decide what they would offer in a brothel.

Could you imagine waking through the US and seeing billboards like this or that?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin🔪Yeetus that Feetus🔪2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

on NETWORK tv, because we still have the dinosaur FCC which regulates the sexual and "bad langugae" content of over BROADCAST tv and radio, its not the PEOPLE who are prudish, its a government agency. cable tv isnt regulated for content by the FCC and thats why theres porn on cinemax and in HBO shows.

[–]A22H013 points points points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yeah, been to Europe often enough. That stuff is fun for a day or two but then it's 0 value added afterwards. The late night TV moreso than here. IOW, you ain't missing much.

Europe and Germany specifically made the tradeoff by having less violence in their TV and even video games with added censorship in those areas.

Though I would not really call either side prudish in those areas overall.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The late night TV moreso than here. IOW, you ain't missing much.

In a time before porn those were a godsend. Especially because you knew that all your bros watched the same porn at the same time so there was something to talk about the next day.

It was like sharing a playboy, but without having to be in the same room.

Europe and Germany specifically made the tradeoff by having less violence in their TV and even video games with added censorship in those areas.

It's not violence per se, but violence against humans (and Nazi symbolism).

The censorship can be as little as turning the human enemies into zombies, alien doppelgangers or robots, or making the blood green.

Sometimes there's complete features missing (using enemies as human shields in Saints Row, rampage mode in GTA), but mostly it's just less gore and blood.

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