Could you give me your opinions on the two subs in question?

dakru · 2016-03-28T20:43:12+00:00

TRP has way too many people making grand claims about "female nature" based on anecdotes, which puts me off. TBP is just devoted to mocking people, which also isn't my thing.

sleeping_willow_ · 2016-03-28T23:02:44+00:00

I made a survey of beliefs awhile back which you can view here. It might give you some idea of where both parties stand.

Littleknownfacts · 2016-03-28T19:32:10+00:00

I feel like whenever TBP posts about RPW they sort of miss the point, probably intentionally... A great example is one thread they have up now...

https://np.reddit.com/r/RedPillWomen/comments/4c9ho5/boyfriends_female_friends/?sort=top

They are all like 'omg a guy with female friends, worst thing ever!' And 'I guess guys can't talk to any women ever not even mothers/sisters/friends from kindergarten'. But that's not the situation in the post at all. Dude is still intimately spending time with women he's admitted to have feelings for. That's the catch! He's talking to other women about their personal lives, which is something I would say women shouldn't do to their SO either.

I don't think TBP would really give advice much different than ours if it was some girl they knew. But then again that may just be my solipism speaking.

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[deleted] · 2016-03-28T20:21:05+00:00

but even after reading the top posts on each I can't really see what the point is.

Here you go:

"TRP's mission is to discuss men's identity, sexual strategy, and options in the context of our current global culture for the benefit of men."

darksoldierk · 2016-03-29T03:35:36+00:00

Personal experience is king. I mean, think of it this way, lets take the housing market. Lets say you are wanting to buy a house, so you do your research. You realize that a lot of economists are saying that houses are overpriced and a correction is expected in the relative short term. So you wait a year. You look again, and you notice that a correction did not occur. You wait another year, and the same thing. By the fourth or fifth year, you kind of lose hope. You see your friends, co-workers and family not giving a fuck and buying, and you start to believe that the economists were wrong. They are professionals, of course, but personal experience is showing you that there will likely not be a correction in the near future. So you determine how much prices went up in the 4 years you were waiting, and determine if that increase is something you can live with or not. Personal experience.

Similarly, I can be told that women want this, and women don't do that by women and statistics and research and everything else in the world, however, if the majority of women that I've known throughout my lifetime react positively to something completely different and negatively or neutral to the things stated by stats, research and other women, then I'm going to go with personal experience.

Statistics tell me that divorces are regular and that the majority are initiated by women. The law says that in the case of a divorce, both genders lose equally. Personal experience tells me that I will lose everyone I care about in the divorce, and a portion of every penny that I ever make will go to her, meanwhile she will lose no one, and not pay anything. Obviously, I'm going to go with personal experience. If the majority of woman tell me that they want a nice guy who listens to them and takes care of them, then start bitching about that asshole who used them for sex and refused to commit, then guess what I'm going to start doing. You think I'm going to be nice? fuck no. I'm going to be the asshole who fucks the hot girls and doesn't commit, because clearly that asshole is the type of guy that women react positively to. In other words, actions speak louder than words.

TLDR: TRP is a reaction to the way women behave. TBP is acceptance of what women say at face value. That is how I see it.

[deleted] · 2016-03-29T01:55:03+00:00

TRP is full of dudes that have taken the time to analyze the world around them and when faced with the facts, take on a borderline nihilistic attitude towards it.

TBP is full of people that have experienced mostly good things, have bought into the just world fallacy, and can't understand how others would disagree.

wazzup987 · 2016-03-29T03:19:44+00:00

TRP: Pissed off dudes that a lot which aren't even old enough to drink. I get why they are pissed but i dont think rp will help them long term, and i think the sex they do get will be in spite of rp not because of it.

TBP: Really need to actually look at the cause pushing dude to TRP and TRP like thinking. there are large sections of society that are androphobic.

This has little to do with 'female nature' and more to do with bigoted ideologues that have taken over the institutions.

tallwheel · 2016-03-29T06:03:27+00:00

the idea that they shouldn't put any effort into a relationship with depth.

WTHell does this mean anyway? How would you define a "relationship with depth"?

Jetpine9 · 2016-03-29T16:15:20+00:00

I'm new to all this, but the ideas TRP has about communicating with women I wish I had read decades ago.

When I first heard of TRP I thought it was mainly rampant misogyny and evolutionary psychology. Then I actually checked it out and found there was more to it. I don't know if that qualifies me to be a member. But, I've had relationships in the past where I specifically could have used the advice I've read there and nowhere else.

There's still misogyny but I like that there's a free speech zone for that kind of venting since it's censored excessively almost everywhere else while misandry isn't.

I have the impression that BP is a bunch of normals with a vested interest in the status quo. But to be fair I haven't really checked that out, either.

lbspredh · 2016-03-29T17:58:01+00:00

To me TBP comes across like they are majorly butthurt SJWs trying to pretend they are not, and the impression I get from TRP is that they put up a wall of not giving a shit when really the hate they perhaps reasonably attract hurts their feelings, and I'd bet most of them don't practice what they preach in real life

Mishamy · 2016-03-30T20:48:22+00:00

In most cases, TRP are damaged men that need the acceptance of other damaged men in order to feel adequate. I've mentioned multiple times before that there's absolutely nothing wrong in wanting to be a better version of yourself or improve your dating/sex life, what is wrong is the jaded approach of putting down women and other men in order to achieve this.

Bluepill, on the other hand, don't pretend to be a life "philosophy", is just a satire sub of the worst people on TRP. I chose this side because anyway there's not rational way to have a mature debate with some of them, because (some) they have 0 tolerance with opposing viewpoints.

FoggyNightSky · 2016-03-31T06:52:38+00:00

TRP is overrun by intensely hateful individuals. They try to turn it around and say people that post at BP are just as hateful if not more so, but if you sit and think about that for longer than six seconds most anyone can see how ridiculous that is.

Outrage on the Blue Pill is toward the consistently upvoted racist, sexist, ignorant, and at times, yes blatantly mysoginst sentiment expressed on Red Pill. And yes, they understand RP "core values" perfectly, they just find them presumptuous, exploitative and frankly repulsive.

In case anyone is wondering what BP "values" are, they are literally just what non sex-obsessed and pathologically lonely people generally agree on, i.e. not viewing others solely on what they can offer us.

DivinePrince2 · 2016-04-12T12:01:21+00:00

They are both annoying and extreme. I don't like them.

mustang_mike · 2016-03-28T20:14:53+00:00

Like the subs specifically, or the content each is based upon? Because while I lean very much red, I don't spend a lot of time in TRP. Sidebar material is pretty much all you need, the day to day posts are going to be men venting and discussing things that I already understand and don't need clarification on. This venting and men talking to each other like men is what scares a lot of ~~manginas~~ bluepillers away.

As for the BP sub I've only been once or twice. Seems pretty circlejerky, lots of "TRP is a rape machine!!1!" nonsense that, intentionally or not, misrepresents TRPs actual stance. Might be fun if you're into outrage porn I guess.

Truth is you're going to see a vocal minority on either side, while most of us either read the concepts of TRP and either say "yeah, makes sense" or "meh, not for me" and move on with our lives.

Peachykeengreat · 2016-03-29T17:54:58+00:00

I think TRP is inherently wrong because it views woman as less than them. I really get how someone could become hostile at their preferred gender for things their preferred gender has "done" to them. However I look at it from my perspective. I've been treated like garbage by men. I could easily see myself hating men for all the shit I've been put through. But I don't. I love men. They are awesome. I've seen through out the years despite the fact that yes some men are shitty, not all men are.

Title	Could you give me your opinions on the two subs in question?
Author	bambooskeleton
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Date	March 28, 2016 6:52 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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