Why do so many Bluepillers/Feminists/etc believe in a just world fallacy when it comes to dating?

posts_one_gif · 2015-03-13T15:07:48+00:00

I just want to point out that even though this question is marked as "question for bluepill", 6/7 responses are from red or purple pillers. Lol.

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taiboworks · 2015-03-13T13:33:29+00:00

there is a difference between being a respectful/kind person and being so desperate to get sex that you will do anything for a girl (regardless of whether you are actually a respectful/kind person in general). red pill doesn't understand this distinction, possibly because genuine respectfulness/kindness is alien to their nature. being a doormat for a sexual target/obsession and being a respectful kind person are entirely different things. the first is not attractive because it suggests you are overreaching and/or desperate, the second is attractive because it suggests you are simply a good person. women prefer attractive kind men. but if they have to choose between an attractive jerk and an unattractive groupie or stalker, obviously they will prefer the former.

i think the red pill confusion on this is because attractive people CAN get away with being jerks more than unattractive people and they make the faulty link between their appeal and their jerkiness, when it was looks. also red pill has been led astray by the dark triad research. a recent study i read found dark triad traits are not actually attractive, the researchers found that the advantage dark triad types have (that past research has noted) was actually linked to their putting more effort into their appearance (makeup for women, nice clothes for men), not their dark triad traits.

CursedLemon · 2015-03-13T13:24:02+00:00

Of course women are going to fluff up the parts of their psyche that they want people to recognize and respect - that they want to be treated with dignity and not like a sex object, even though it can be something of a primal turn on.

Do you know any man who is going to openly admit, "yeah I'll fuck just about anything and can be led around by the nose if a girl even hints at the possibility"?

VarsitySlutTeamCpt · 2015-03-14T04:35:15+00:00

I disagree with the BPer, Chris Brown beat the shit out of Rhianna and girls still throw their panties at him LMAO

wazzup987 · 2015-03-13T18:19:10+00:00

Kind, respectful men, with a back bone get laid.

Fixed that for you.

You know what my most successful pick up line is?

Hi! I'm X! How are you?

It literally never fails

TheChemist158 · 2015-03-13T21:24:24+00:00

Why do the redpillers always phrase their questions as if their opinions were foregone and factual conclusions? Genuinely curious, it seems like you're overselling it.

[deleted] · 2015-03-13T14:25:34+00:00

Being a misogynist piece of shit is universally considered a negative trait by Western women.

Lol.

I find it funny they say stuff like this but then they also insult men who make an effort to be nice. You're fucked either way. This is why feminists are stereotyped as cat ladies.

Luckily most women in the west (in my country at least) are not feminists.

pathein_mathein · 2015-03-14T00:13:31+00:00

Oh, I definitely think that Blue Pill suffers from the just world fallacy. I just happen to think that Red Pill is just as fable-oriented.

You could even put it to competing senses of justice, but I think that's a bit too obfuscating.

OfSpock · 2015-03-14T00:30:57+00:00

Because I don't know any nice people who have the amount of difficulty getting into a relationship that red pillers seem to have. For those who have no romantic success, there is always a reason and 'being too kind and respectful' is never it.

Friends are admittedly a self selected group, so I went through my relatives. Three generations, parents generation, my generation and nieces/nephews/children. Most of those who are over twenty five are married or in marriage like relationships. The ones who aren't are a complusive gambler (twice divorced), a convicted criminal with superiority complex, very overweight and lazy, a selfish bitch, suffers from depression and excessive weight, drug addict.

Only one of these people is an only child and their siblings don't seem to have any trouble.

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[deleted] · 2015-03-13T15:36:43+00:00

The whole world doesn't revolve around your penis. Sorry. Not sorry.

dejour · 2015-03-13T17:15:40+00:00

Hanna Rosin's recent article seems to take your viewpoint.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/03/12/choreplay_the_offensive_idea_that_women_want_to_have_sex_with_their_husbands.html

feminazis_stalk_me · 2015-03-14T09:11:55+00:00

There are plenty of extremely nice, polite guys at Magic The Gathering™ tournaments and comic book stores, but they aren't exactly knee-deep in women looking for the most respectful men.

AlphaFemale9 · 2015-03-15T17:50:58+00:00

The fallacy in this 'question' is that it assumes that some women accepting abusive treatment from men is the norm, and that since it occurs, it is predictive of the type of man that will get 'laid.' It also seems to assert that getting laid is totally random and that kind, respectful men get laid + domestic abusers get laid + people in the middle get laid, which is not red pill logic. Only alphas get laid according to red pill. Or if betas get laid it is only for their money. So your question isn't red pill or blue pill or any pill. It's just an observation that generalities are stupid and that outliers negate conclusions drawn from them. Most TBPers agree with that.

TRP is all about generalities, and generally, women don't accept abuse. It doesn't make sense to act like TBPers are perpetuating a 'just world' bias because that assumes that abuse is normal and emotional manipulation standard and that most women accept that treatment. Only a very specific type of woman accepts that treatment.

[deleted] · 2015-03-13T15:38:20+00:00

I don't believe the world is a just place. I do believe however in the phrase "everyone you meet is your mirror" in the area of a persons close personal and sexual relationships.

SoldierGenerale · 2015-03-14T00:52:10+00:00

People want to believe in what the world should look like and not what the world actually looks like.

The media, social narrative, disney and society feeds us a picture of a just and righteous world. The truth however is often too crushing and depressing for people to accept.

Girls fucking the biggest douchebags and assholes instead of the nice guys is only one example.

Title	Why do so many Bluepillers/Feminists/etc believe in a just world fallacy when it comes to dating?
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Date	March 13, 2015 12:24 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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