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What percent of the population do you think RedPill applies to fully? What percent does it apply only partly or not at all?

reginaldtato

March 1, 2014
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Title What percent of the population do you think RedPill applies to fully? What percent does it apply only partly or not at all?
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reginaldtato

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Date March 1, 2014 11:17 PM UTC
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[–]AdmiralVonJackass5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

Redpill describes itself as a toolbox: reach in, take what you need, come back whenever you want.

You don't have to subscribe to every idea presented there. I think this question is unimportant.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

Except some of those tools are poorly constructed and have the potential to seriously injure you.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

So can a chainsaw. Does that mean that that tool should never be used?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

Let me rephrase that. Some of those tools are guaranteed to injure you.

[–]aaron_the_justRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

Which tools might those be?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

The ones that conflict with mainstream science, like "women cannot love." That kind of stuff has the potential to wreck peoples lives.

[–]aaron_the_justRed Pill Man2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

RP never says "women cannot love"

RP says "women cannot love a man the way a man wants to be loved", which is absolutely true. Many guys are looking for a mother's love in a girlfriend.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

I don't care what words you use. The quote comes from here:

http://therationalmale.com/2011/12/27/women-in-love/

And I disagree 100%. You can make a pretty damn good argument using scientific studies that it isn't true, and that argument has been made time and time again on purple pill debate. It's been made so many times that most red pill regulars here agree that the idea that women aren't empathetic or "women love opportunistically" is hogwash. Some women definitely love opportunistically, but it isn't the norm.

[–]aaron_the_justRed Pill Man2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

My experience with women is that their love slowly dies as their men become weak in their eyes.

In my case, my wife's love for me died when we lost a child and, instead of me exercising strong control over my emotions and maintaining frame, I retreated into myself for 4 months and refused to talk about it and got pissy/angry about minor things.

I want to be loved even if we lose a kid and the grief shatters me to my core. And I have to accept that there is no woman who will be capable of loving me that way.

[–]caxica1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

So youre saying that you spent four months pushing your wife away and denying her your emotional intimacy and then were surprised when she fell out of love. She didnt stop loving you because you showed weakness. It was because you treated her like shit

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

My experience with women is that their love slowly dies as their men become weak in their eyes.

OK, but this has nothing to do with the subject of the thread.

I want to be loved even if we lose a kid and the grief shatters me to my core. And I have to accept that there is no woman who will be capable of loving me that way.

That's quite a bold statement. You can find plenty of examples of women staying with men through hard times, and you can find plenty of examples of men leaving their wives when their wives were struggling.

[–]bunker_man._.1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you mean the lack of morality as regards relationships and sex aspect? Far more than want to admit it. Not that the red pill isn't bad, but I think part of the reason people hate it so much is to try to distance it from how they as individuals actually are.

[–]robestaRed Pill Man4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (73 children) | Copy Link

100%

As long as you interact with a female, it pays to know how their brain process works.

Women would also be well served to learn how men's brains work as well.

Learning about what makes men and women different is a valuable insight to everyone.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link

You can't be serious. There's an entire subreddit of people who despise redpill, and you're suggesting if they met a redpiller they'd be just as inclined to sleep with them as any low self-esteem submissive clubgoer? Obviously it doesn't work on everyone.

[–]robestaRed Pill Man2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link

I assume your thought process is that TRP is a stagnant behavioral model.

I consider it as information accumulation resource. I use it to optimize my own personal behavioral model.

Does my answer make sense to you from that perspective?

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

When you accumulate information (experiences) you notice that not everything applies to every person. For example, maybe 30% of white girls like the show My Little Pony, and 20% think about a guy more when he ignores their texts, so you can use that information to better predict people, give certain things a shot, take better risks, etc. I was asking what the threshold percent for a certain tendency in the general population before it becomes valid "TRP" advice. 51% would be my guess, since thats the definition of "most people".

[–]robestaRed Pill Man-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link

I may have misunderstood your question. Are you asking the percentage of women that I think hypergamy and solipsism applies to?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link

Sure. Also the degree to which it applies to them. Also all of the other redpill theories.

[–]robestaRed Pill Man-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

My opinion is that solipsism and hypergamy are deeply rooted in all women. The degree which they act on those tendencies is a combination of nature (their impulse control) and nurture (cultural norms, religion, and taboos).

For men, the equivalent is the desire to fuck lots of different women. Nature and nurture again play a huge part in whether we act on those impulses.

Those are the big two theories in TRP about the nature of women. Are there any other ones in particular you'd want addressed?

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Are lesbians included in all women?

[–]robestaRed Pill Man1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Great point. I'd say as far as solipsism is concerned, absolutely.

As far as hypergamy, it's really hard to say, as I am by no means a lesbian expert. My lesbian friends typically describe their relationships as really, really close friends. Not many hetero couples outside of people that have been together for more than twenty years would describe their relationships in those terms. I'd be really curious to ask my lesbian friends about whether in the lesbian community the is a lot of 'trading up' partners.

Edit: also, lesbian relationships tend to have a lean on each other dynamic, whereas hetero ones are more of a lean on the man dynamic (controversial for feminists but I think it's true).

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

What exactly do you think solipsism means?

[–]RobotPartsCorp-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

My father and my mother who have been married for 35 years have said on separate occasions that they consider each other their "best friends". That's the model I grew up with, and when I talk to friends, some with parents who have been together that long, some who have not...they still consider their SO as their "best friend". It's the dynamic a lot of us want and hope to have or have already. That's how my boyfriends parents describe their relationship too.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Believing in "deeply rooted" behaviors and characteristics that you can not show any evidence of in a large part of the population is not only illogical and unscientific it also defies basic common sense.

[–]robestaRed Pill Man-5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You can absolutely quantify it. Look at the lines of women looking to blow singers and ball on players.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You aren't making any sense. You said "all women". No subsection of women can prove anything about "all women" except a randomized representative sample.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've fucked feministas before using rp type methods. I just don't identify as rp upfront.

For instance, I hooked up with a feminist who had an orbiter around her for years since college. Met him at a cafe where she worked at. Nice guy, complete male feminist. Had an argument with him.

Got to know him better, he confessed he was in love with this girl for the last 3-4 years and been trying everything to get her attention in a subtle way. His face fell when I told him what I had her doing by the 2nd date and had sex with her by the 3rd.

"No, no, she's not like that," he protested. You keep on believing that.

And no, I didn't meet her in a club and never once pretended to resonate with her political beliefs, quite the opposite without being outspoken about it.

Since TBP is tied up frothing about with their fantasies of what TRP is, they wouldn't be able to recognize actual TRP methods if it smacked them in the face.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

This contradicts popular sentiment among the scientific community. For nearly all psychological traits, there's more variation within a sex than there is between sexes. In other words, if you create a framework for measuring human personality traits and tendencies, you generally see something like this:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qn6LboX0440/UN0LCLmy-RI/AAAAAAAAAXI/1QcojEMZMlQ/s1600/curve1.png

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Do you have any sources to back you up?

The first time I heard of this notion was on this subreddit last week, and it is apparently making the rounds here.

If you only look at dimorphic traits, there are huge differences. For instance, height - 2 SDs difference between genders. Strength - 3-4 SDs.

If you include unimportant things that don't vary between genders, of course the lines will be blurred. But that doesn't mean there are lots of huge quantifiable differences.

Why don't you come back with some sources?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Do you have any sources to back you up?

About which specific trait?

If you only look at dimorphic traits, there are huge differences. For instance, height - 2 SDs difference between genders. Strength - 3-4 SDs.

These are physical features rather than psychological features.

If you include unimportant things that don't vary between genders, of course the lines will be blurred. But that doesn't mean there are lots of huge quantifiable differences.

Of course there are quantifiable differences, but generally they are pretty small. They are so small that psychology, psychiatry, and behavioral medicine diagnose and treat men and women the same exact way.

Why don't you come back with some sources?

It depends what traits you want to talk about. This is a good place to start:

http://psycnet.apa.org/psycinfo/1995-09434-001

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

About which specific trait?

About anything. Let's say aggression, since that's been brought up around here.

These are physical features rather than psychological features.

What causes these differences? How could you make a creature grow much bigger and stronger without affecting its brain at all? That doesn't seem to make much sense and is counter intuitive. Especially considering what is known about testosterone.

Males were found to be more assertive and had slightly higher self-esteem than females. Females were higher than males in extraversion, anxiety, trust, and, especially, tender-mindedness (e.g., nurturance). There were no noteworthy sex differences in social anxiety, impulsiveness, activity, ideas (e.g., reflectiveness), locus of control, and orderliness. Gender differences in personality traits were generally constant across ages, years of data collection, educational levels, and nations.

Your source seems to back up the notion that there are inherent psychological differences between men and women that transcend societal effects.

Did you link the wrong source, did you change your mind, or did you not read your own source?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

About anything. Let's say aggression, since that's been brought up around here.

From Sex Differences in Physical, Verbal, and Indirect Aggression: a Review of Recent Research

Sex differences in aggression are, accordingly, most likely developed through learning mechanisms and not directly linked to hormones. There is much to support this opinion. As above was pointed out, there is no clear evidence between hormones and aggression among humans- perhaps because the development of higher cerebral functions among humans made other styles of aggression than physical ones possible: more subtle, but still highly effective methods, in which direct physical power is not a prerequisite.

Basically, the idea the aggression is caused by testosterone is disputed. There are very few differences between men and women in overall aggression. You can find differences in the way men/women display aggression, but thats a different story.

What causes these differences? How could you make a creature grow much bigger and stronger without affecting its brain at all? That doesn't seem to make much sense and is counter intuitive. Especially considering what is known about testosterone.

By no means is it intuitive to compare external physical differences to neurological differences. We know very little about how sex hormones effect brain development.

Your source seems to back up the notion that there are inherent psychological differences between men and women that transcend societal effects.

I agree that there are inherent psychological differences, but they're not well established or understood. Furthermore, the differences are generally small enough to merit treating men and women the same way.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

the differences are generally small enough to merit treating men and women the same way.

This statement is a hybrid SJW and science speak to muddle meanings. Shame on you.

Men and women should be 'treated' the same way with regards to rights, respect, etc.

But they should not be, and are not, 'treated' by doctors as one and the same.

How many women do you know that worry about low testosterone levels?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

But they should not be, and are not, 'treated' by doctors as one and the same.

By psychologists and behavioral experts, they are treated the same way 99.9% of the time.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So again, source?

You gave me a paper saying 'all studies find they are super different in all cultures, but we don't want them to be so we want to ignore it.'

Basically, the idea the aggression is caused by testosterone is disputed.

It's disputed by SJWs. It's not disputed by actual psychologists, neuroscientists, endocrinologists, or anyone else whose opinion on it would be respected.

You are confusing feminists with scientists, I think that's your problem.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What was wrong with my previous source?

http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=search.displayRecord&UID=1994-29531-001

These aren't feminists. Kaj Björkqvist is a Psychologist.

[–]robestaRed Pill Man1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

So, let me address that

-Do you think the scientific community would say that men tend to be more aggressive and risk-taking than women?

-Do you think they would say women tend to be more emotional?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

They would say that despite that men as a group are more aggressive than women as a group there are some women who are more aggressive than some men. That's why your statement about 100% doesn't make any sense.

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[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Well no you'll end up with a certain amount of women who are more aggressive than the men since there are some women who are more aggressive than most men. If 5% of all women are more aggressive than 95% of all men and you match them randomly you are going to end up with some couples where the woman is more aggressive. I'm just making up those numbers now for arguments sake of course.

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[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, I have no idea what you are trying to say nor am I very interested in figuring it out at this time.

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[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What ever floats your boat pal.

[–]StabbyPantsPillhead1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They would say that despite that men as a group are more aggressive than women as a group there are some women who are more aggressive than some men.

That makes no sense. Why would you qualify a broad statement about group tendencies by saying that there are outliers?

[–]robestaRed Pill Man-3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I misread the initial question. I clarified what I thought he was asking elsewhere. That 100% is referring to what percentage of people I think would benefit from TRP knowledge.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but women's brains don't work significantly different than men's brains. On average there are differences, but to be perfectly honest, I think some guys would just be better off learning how to communicate with other humans beings rather than focusing on women. A lot of the guys that I knew in high school and college that struggled in the women/relationships department also struggled with their interactions with men. They seemed to lack all basic social skills, not just the ability to interact with women.

[–]robestaRed Pill Man-3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Social skills are good. Male interactions were never really an issue for me. Female interactions were. Once I realized the way women think, everything clicked. I'm a conceptual person, so once I get the overview and modify my paradigm accordingly, the micro interactions work themselves out.

And women do think completely different than men. There's an article on TRP showing the differences in CT scans of each and they're strikingly different. For simplicity sake, men see the wild as stuff, women see the world as relationships. That's why men like being engineers and financiers and women like to be nurses and teachers.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And women do think completely different than men. There's an article on TRP showing the differences in CT scans of each and they're strikingly different.

We've talked about this before. The averages are different, but there's still overlap. There's larger variation among women or men than there is average difference between men and women. Furthermore, we don't know what's conditioned and what's genetic.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The human can see more variation of greens than reds, but those greens are still all green. Nothing in your fact indicates huge overlap you assume in your pic.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What I meant is that for nearly all psychological traits where we can see average differences, the standard deviation is smaller than the difference between means.

[–]polyhooly3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I've had Red Pillers explain to me on here that due to inherent female solipsism, women will never be able to understand men the way men can understand women.

[–]robestaRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Almost every time I have tried online and in real life to explain to a woman what motivates myself and men in friends with as men, I get condescension, confusion, and disbelief. Many women want to pretend that without their pussy, mouth, tits and ass they'd attract men, but it's just that, pretending. Men are that shallow.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Men care about more than pussy, mouth, tits, and ass when it comes to LTRs.

[–]robestaRed Pill Man1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. Read my verbiage. I said attract.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Nearly the same thing goes for women then. Women are mostly attracted to physical features.

[–]robestaRed Pill Man2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I disagree completely. Women are partially attracted to physical looks, but confidence, preselection and status all are huge attraction factors.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

But the biggest by far is looks. The study I've posted a few times this week suggests that looks are about 60% for women versus 90% for men.

[–]robestaRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think sometimes women convince themselves that a guy is attractive if they like them.

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/11-1n007-soros1_.jpg

Edit: 60% may be right tho. The link was for entertainment value more than anything else.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think women are more sexually flexible than men. Sexual plasticity is what it's called. That enables a select group of women to date really old gross guys for their money.

That said, I think looks is 60% on average. That's still quite high. You're going to get more mileage by styling your clothes and hair as well as hitting the gym than you will from PUA stuff. That's one of my pet peeves with the business side of the PUA community. They have a vested interest in making it seem like little social tricks can attract hot women. In reality, you'd be better off reading workout tips and fashion advice.

[–]fasterfind1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (39 children) | Copy Link

Did you know that TRP was voted the creepiest sub today?

Make up your own mind after reading the best of what the world has to offer, not the worst of what reddit offers. I've read thousands of pages from the best pick up artists and relationship counselors in the world. These people use science and hard evidence. TRP uses hearsay.

Here's the link. http://www.reddit.com/r/TheBluePill/comments/1zaw2i/trp_is_voted_number_1_creepiest_sub_in_askreddit/ Remember, creepiest sub on REddit. That tells you something is very wrong. Read the comments from people more educated than myself.

[–]masterrodPops all pills when necessary. And keeps a heavy stash of RPs.5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link

I've read thousands of pages from the best pick up artists and relationship counselors in the world. These people use science and hard evidence. TRP uses hearsay.

All PUAs do not use hard science. That's a bit ludicrous. At best there's science on communication, PUA is at best art and science.

TRP uses hearsay.

Your concept of hearsay is overstated.

Did you know that TRP was voted the creepiest sub today?

Wait you talk about PUAs and then call TRP creepy? I don't really understand how that's even possible. Most people that know about PUAs feel they are very creepy. I'm not really sure what you're getting at.

[–]yaseedog will hunt0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link

A quick browse of TRP kind of gives the impression of a more concentrated, extreme brand of pick-up artistry (now with added sexism and shitty sci-fi metaphors!). Probably bumps it up a bit in the creep rankings

[–]masterrodPops all pills when necessary. And keeps a heavy stash of RPs.2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link

RP is not PUA. And nothing in RP is extreme pick up artistry.

now with added sexism and shitty sci-fi metaphors!). Probably bumps it up a bit in the creep rankings

RPers that go around crashing forums that intended help people women makes RP very creepy. The biggest thing that makes RP creepy, is the idea that rape shouldn't be a crime. Let's not forget about the idea that RPers have been enlightened and now understand how women operate. Regardless, anything that talks about how a group operates is creepy by default.

Besides most women don't understand RP or it's purpose, so they just decide prejudge. Men on the other hand know their women has acted like something RP sometimes, but may more may not be willing to subscribe to the mountain of other things that comes with RP.

[–]yaseedog will hunt-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link

RP is not PUA

Not arguing, but I imagine that's how it looks to a lot of outsiders. At the very least you can't deny that there's overlap in some of the content (how to attract women) and jargon used.

the idea that rape shouldn't be a crime

Is this...a redpill thing? I mean I'm not exactly in the fan club, but I doubt most of your subscribers believe that.

[–]whatsazipperPedestal Demolition2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is this...a redpill thing?

No, it isn't.

[–]yaseedog will hunt0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, not entirely sure what that comment was about

[–]masterrodPops all pills when necessary. And keeps a heavy stash of RPs.-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

Not arguing, but I imagine that's how it looks to a lot of outsiders. At the very least you can't deny that there's overlap in some of the content (how to attract women) and jargon used.

There is clearly overlap. But real PUA s something different all together. Even I think PUA some aspects of PUA is a bit creepy.

Is this...a redpill thing? I mean I'm not exactly in the fan club, but I doubt most of your subscribers believe that.

Unfortunately yes. RP is designed to keep women out. I've seen with my own eyes seen at least one woman call rape on a friend when I know something was 100% consensual. It's definitely something men think about. I think everyone that is reasonable believes that violent forced rape should be charged, and people should be punished. It's the other not so violent rape, or the rape where it could be rape or could not be, that's a real problem for people. Men will say that's bullshit. Women will say it doesn't matter still rape. So consequently all RPers are labeled this way, and thus creepy. It's limited thinking at it's finest.

[–]StabbyPantsPillhead1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

it sounds like you're saying that RP has the notion that regretting a hookup the next day isn't rape, but that's miles away from saying that rape shouldn't be a crime.

[–]masterrodPops all pills when necessary. And keeps a heavy stash of RPs.0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Read the RP literature. If interested. There is some literature that states rape should not be a crime, and why.

I think rape is grey area, and I'd leave at that. It's difficult subject for both men and women. I don't think' RP is really equipped to judge it.

[–]StabbyPantsPillhead1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, I really need you to point at something specific. I have better things to do than trawl a pile of docs to support your claims.

[–]yaseedog will hunt0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link

Are you saying that rape shouldn't be a criminal offence unless the woman essentially got clobbered during it? What not-so-violent rapes are you talking about?

[–]masterrodPops all pills when necessary. And keeps a heavy stash of RPs.0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

Are you saying that rape shouldn't be a criminal offence unless the woman essentially got clobbered during it?

I'm saying it's grey area, and disempowering to men if it's always just the woman's say. Since no one is always truthful, it becomes a very tough situation for men to deal with. So in the spirit of keeping women out, you have information in RP about rape not being illegal.

What not-so-violent rapes are you talking about?

I'm pretty sure, I don't remember the statistic, but many rapes that are reported are categorized as date rapes. I'd consider those nonviolent.

I think rape is misunderstood. I think people spend more time complaining about the subject versus knowing the legality of it.

[–]yaseedog will hunt0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

Date rape has a couple of colloquial meanings; it can mean the assault was committed by someone known to the victim (as opposed to stranger-in-a-dark-alley rape) or it can mean the assault was facilitated by drugs (eg. roofies or having sex with someone who's passed out). It says nothing about how violent the rape was or wasn't.

I'm saying it's grey area

Holy shit dude.

Yeah, rape by its nature is often a he-said she-said crime and that makes it complicated, but how is the alternative (not making it illegal at all) a better option? And please, please try not to frame rape as a women-vs-men issue. Male victims of sexual assault have a hard enough time getting recognition and help as as it is.

[–]masterrodPops all pills when necessary. And keeps a heavy stash of RPs.-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, rape by its nature is often a he-said she-said crime and that makes it complicated, but how is the alternative (not making it illegal at all) a better option?

This is not my view. I think you got make rape illegal. But it's up to men that have been wrongly accused to get citizens to write their judges. Versus wasting complaining time about it.

And please, please try not to frame rape as a women-vs-men issue.

Unfortunately, men think its women vs man issue. For two reason, one it's very difficult to decide what is or isn't rape. And two, women that rape men rarely get the same punishment as a man raping a woman.

Male victims of sexual assault have a hard enough time getting recognition and help as as it is.

True

We're talking about why RP is creepy so framed as men vs women. RP is manly men vs women, but we love/want to fuck them.

[–]throwred01Red Pill Man1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Brace for new subscribers, brothers.

Hold.

Hold!

HOLD!!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Creepy. That's funny. Women use creepy on anything they don't like these days.

Attractive man and unattractive man can be hitting on a girl the same way. She'll call the attractive man nice, and the unattractive (to her) man creepy.

Get out of here. CREEPY! Is it crawly too? HA!

[–]Those_Who_RemainIrrelevant Homosexual1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

RP applies fully to a small minority of people. Maybe 10%. However, their stuff about being confident etc. will apply to a very big majority. That's simply a common predictor of attraction and will thus be a lot more 'true'.

Things as hypergamy? Maybe around 20%-30%. Yes, some women try to have lots of 'alfa sex'. But the huge majority is looking for steady and promising relationships, not as many 'alfa dick' as they can get.

Things as 'women have no honour'? Close to 0%.

[–]shitlordlucyPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the very very basic tenets of TRP would apply to the vast majority of people, especially heterosexuals. However, TRP is NOT a monolith and there is a lot of variation. Some guys I've seen within the "manosphere" want nothing to do with women at all, some thing women are subhuman, some thing women are great but dislike feminism, some men aren't even against feminism, they just think it's gotten too extreme.

Basic things like "be confident but realistic" and "improve yourself" apply to pretty much everyone, male and female. The only reason TRP seems so ridiculous is that the extremists are always the loudest and most evident, so people think TRP and they think "Oh, like that guy I saw who said he wanted women to be permanently replaced with sex dolls"

[–]sh1vRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If by red pill you mean the common set of tropes and models we use to describe the current sexual marketplace, within developed western societies...

Id say there's a highly visible slice of society, often glamorized or fixated on in media, that frequently go to clubs, drink and party, have ONSs, and largely conform to every stereotype we and others throw at them, including being shallow, hypergamous, etc. About 10% of the dateable population maybe less. The problem is not only their visibility, but their exaggerated relevance to pick up, due to being the most socially and sexually accessible.

However Everyone is shallow to a degree. Everyone is driven by base instincts (or deeply ingrained cultural biases, take your pick) at some level. In any case what you learn at TRP is not specifically limited to one scene or milieu, it's designed to be generalized so you can tailor your approach based on circumstance. The overall theory, chicks dig strength, can have a multitude of applications based on what will convey that strength based on the social circles of the TRPer in question.

But in the end, I'd say there's maybe 20% or more TRP has no relevance to. LGBTs, asexual people, feminists who have internalized their dogma just as well as they accuse of doing, and assorted unicorns and traditionally feminine women.

[–]TehGinjaNinjaRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Based on the studies I've read, I'd estimate 60-70% of people will exhibit behavior & preferences conforming to TRP predictions most of the time.

[–]masterrodPops all pills when necessary. And keeps a heavy stash of RPs.-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Since we're talking about humans, this is an impossible question answer.

100% of people, without mental illness, will benefit from self improvement, taking care of their dress, and attempting to understand the world around them

Redpill tactics are based heavily on situations, so in those situations surely RP could be used effectively. Unfortunately, there are a lot factors that govern human interaction, because part interaction is relative how the opposing purpose processes the communication.

So I'd say 100% of relationships can benefit from communication that leads to both parties getting what they desire out of the relationship.

So then it begs the question is RP the chief way that a man should communicate with a woman, from his thoughts all the way to action? Depends on the relationship. This problem has never been solved.

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