Is it ethical to use a "declared" Red Pill Man for friendship, dinners, etc?

regtopolous · 2014-01-02T21:05:34+00:00

It's up to the dude to figure out that he's getting used.

If you're red pill, and you're getting used, you've still got more red pill to take.

OldTimeKissesRtheSex · 2014-01-02T17:17:46+00:00

Have we agreed that the strategy is amoral? In all strategies on both sides, there are emotions involved; some good, some bad. Some people want the best for all parties, some people just want to get laid.

ahostofeyelashes · 2014-01-02T17:48:28+00:00

"If we can agree that sexual strategy is amoral, are there any ethical or moral problems to out-manoeuvring a guy who declares himself a red pill man?"

No. If one subscribes to amorality for themselves then they subscribe to it (or, at least, create a situation in which reciprocal amorality is implicitly ok) in those they deal with, whether or not they're conscious of this or would state as much. If the rule is 'all's fair' then damnit, all's fair.

IIHotelYorba · 2014-01-02T20:02:11+00:00

No, there's nothing wrong with having petty vendettas against people you date. That's totally not a psycho thing to say, and you're totally not the chick version of the guys in In the Company of Men.

Go for it. Let's hurt someone.

OldTimeKissesRtheSex · 2014-01-02T17:08:17+00:00

If he is a redpill man this will never happen

allowing him access to her higher social circles

Men don't care about your social circles

OldTimeKissesRtheSex · 2014-01-02T17:15:05+00:00

Isn't it part of TRP ideology to not give the woman anything? If anything they want the woman to buy them drinks. Reframing your question: is it ethical to do something bad against a bad person? Ethicists call this the Tit-for-Tat rationalization, the logical conclusion is abandonment of all ethical standards. Once you decide it's OK, there will be rationalization "creep". He's not a Red Pill Man, but he did make that rude joke about feminism, he's not nice to animals, etc. So it's OK if I use him for a meal or two.

A better reason not to do this is because, dear Lord, Red Pill Men aren't very interesting.

PenguinLovr · 2014-01-03T05:41:13+00:00

It is immoral to use anybody regardless of how they treat you. If you do this you are just as bad as the worst red piller. Also you are supporting their premise that women treat men poorly by using them instead of loving and caring for them.

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nicethingyoucanthave · 2014-01-02T17:36:03+00:00

It's obviously immoral with a normal guy

no, it's not. Going out to dinner with a guy does not obligate you to have sex with him. That's a very "rapey" claim you're making there. If I head back to /r/theredpill and post the following: "hay guyz, i think its immoral when feeeemales have dinner with me but no sexors" - you would circlejerk yourself raw in /r/thebluepill over it.

or anyone sincere in their intentions

I think the straw man arguments you guys make are absolutely hilarious. I do not, nor have I ever lied to a woman. My intentions are quite sincere. Hell, I've posted over in TRP actual examples of just being completely honest and getting positive results. Yet you blue pillers persist in your delusion that TRP is some kind of jedi mind trick.

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h-i-o-i · 2014-06-08T00:21:22+00:00

Naw, the "don't apply morality to people I find immoral" is a slippery slope. It will bother you over time.

masterrod · 2014-01-02T20:38:30+00:00

If we can agree that sexual strategy is amoral, are there any ethical or moral problems to out-manoeuvring a guy who declares himself a red pill man?

Only there's true love in a couple. Otherwise all is ethical game. The other caveat is if there is a strong bond with partners, RP skill of and adversary doesn't really matter. The girl could slip and run right back to her original partner. [i'm not sure if this answer is exactly what you're asking]

It's not something I am planning, just something I am curious about. I can't see how there could be a moral objection to someone deciding to use a declared red piller for dinners, dates, etc, without having any intention of sleeping with him, ever, nor allowing him access to her higher social circles.

You mean you're going to try to make an RP a bitch. You should most definitely try. But you're actually playing into his game.

It's obviously immoral with a normal guy or anyone sincere in their intentions, but I kind of like the idea that there is a group of guys who have implicitly agreed to let themselves be the subject of amoral strategy, if I understand correctly.

It's not immoral to use a guy for dinners. It's socially acceptable, and what many women do. What it really is is selfish. So if you applied this to an RPer he would act like RPers do, or any strong man. If he's smart, and suspects this he won't take you out on any high quality dinner. Besides, it's much easier to sleep with someone with simple outings.

You should definitely try to do it and post your findings.

etherael · 2014-01-02T17:18:34+00:00

Totally welcome to try but I imagine the nature of the prey in question makes this an exercise in futility. You may as well ask if it's immoral to hunt lions using celery for bait.

OldTimeKissesRtheSex · 2014-01-02T17:20:45+00:00

Is said guy an actual Red Pill guy?

roe_ · 2014-01-03T00:06:13+00:00

I suggest a resolution using a Universally Preferable Behaviour:

All associations which are voluntary are by definition morally positive.

If that's agreed upon as a UPB, we're done.

steakmeout · 2014-01-08T09:55:45+00:00

Sounds like two idiots destined for each other. Honestly, if you so desire yourself as to see yourself clever as to "try" and out think a deluded fool, then you'll get what you deserve.

W-Z-R · 2014-01-08T14:28:04+00:00

It's not immoral to use any man for free stuff, his time, his money at all, redpill or not. However it is not immoral for a man to use women for sex without wanting a relationship with them. The the whole Redpill vs Bluepill has very little to do with morality, it is people pretty much pulling in their own direction of self-interest. I'd even wager that a significant amount of bluepill/feminist men genuinely are trying to use "beta game" to get laid, of course they would never admit to this, because it would put the women off pretty fast.

Title	Is it ethical to use a "declared" Red Pill Man for friendship, dinners, etc?
Author	OldTimeKissesRtheSex
Upvotes	11
Comments	104
Date	January 2, 2014 4:49 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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