Good sex should never be an indicator of a woman's loyalty.

bsutansalt · 2015-05-19T16:12:28+00:00

This is one of the better TRP topics I've seen a while and is something near and dear to me as I've been in a dead bedroom before AND been on both sides of things when women cheat. One thing that's undeniable is that a good sex life is a barometer of the relationship's overall health. Anyone in /r/deadbedrooms knows the inverse all too well. However, what the OP said about loyalty is 100% true. Another angle I haven't seen mentioned yet is how plenty of women who cheat will give you great sex as a way of masking their infidelity, especially when they instinctively tried to get knocked up by an "alpha" and already had sex with him.

If your woman goes on vacation or a business trip and comes back and is freaky/exceptionally hot in bed in a way you've never seen before, that's a giant red flag something is up and is all the more reason to play it safe and use a condom or whatever. It's a red flag x10 if that's when you're hearing you don't need to use a condom or something similar as it in all likelihood means she's attempting to maintain the plausibility that it's really your kid. If she turns up pregnant a couple weeks after being away AND you used a condom, then of course her plot will be discovered, hence why she's trying to convince you you don't need to use one. She's trying to fake an accident at that point, capesh?

Jaereth · 2015-05-19T16:24:49+00:00

This is true. My final semester of college I had a plate who I was routinely fucking very poorly. I just put no effort it. I got off and that was that. I knew I would be out of there after graduation (already had several offers) and kinda wanted her to gravitate away from me herself so I didn't have to tell her adios.

The thing is, my SMV was so high at that point, the bad sex didn't matter, she still wanted it ALL THE TIME. After full load of credits, workouts, volleyball, band practice, my internship and putting in 26 hours a week at work, I was exhausted most of the time. However, I had so much going for me in my life and was in such great physical shape (best in my life up to that point) none of that shit mattered.

High SMV trumps everything else every time has been my experience.

the_red_scimitar · 2015-05-19T14:22:28+00:00

I've noticed it's somewhat of a beta characteristic to think that a woman is loyal to whomever is sexing her best. I'm openly non-monogamous, and one plate has a main relationship with a guy who absolutely believes this, strives to have 6 hour sex sessions (she's very done after 4 and tolerates it), and is constantly worried she'll dump him if somebody gives her "better orgasms". Seriously, she's told me tons about this.

But she "loves" him, and he fulfills a very necessary role in her life (he's basically an orbiter who got lucky). He literally told her, petulantly, that she should "go be the_red_scimitar's gf, since you like fucking him so much". Except neither she nor I want her to be a "gf" to me. She's totally aware of how off-putting the clinginess is. In effect, he's her BB - the guy who's always there when she has an emotional meltdown, helps with her kids (whom I haven't and probably won't meet - no interest).

SMV is always attractive, but clingy, jealous and insecure behavior is very SMV destroying. And you can give a plate a stream of multiple orgasms one night, and she'll step out with another guy the next. If you expect a plate to have emotional loyalty, you have to be the guy who's not like the rest - who's actually a man.

Sex has been made far too much a yardstick (for some) of their progress in RP. Once you figure it and yourself out, and you're doing it right, sex is the easiest thing to get, ceases to be any measure of "success". You actually become more choosy. The sheer quality of the women I date now (and who are actual plates) is so much higher than before - beauty, intelligence, interesting activities, athleticism, humor... all kicked up a notch. This is just to serve as an example. It doesn't really matter that I've done that, so much as there is a sort of milestone there worth knowing about.

Just finding somebody to have sex with becomes easy. Attracting higher quality women, naturally, becomes the thing. And what I've noticed, is that is not something I work on particularly, but as one settles into a real alpha state, it should just happen that more and more, the quality of women being attracted improves. It's worth noticing, when that formerly-out-of-your-league girl starts chatting you up at a party.

anymouse22334455 · 2015-05-19T16:31:26+00:00

I'd be wary of a woman who likes dirty passionate sex too much. What I mean is if she is more into that type of sex, rather than that type of sex WITH YOU she will get it anywhere she can.

Stinger86 · 2015-05-19T12:54:05+00:00

This was a lesson I learned the hard way because I've had multiple girls break up with me despite the sex being very, very good.

I talked to the last one after the breakup, asking her what her reasons were. I didn't mention sex at all. But she told me flat out, "Stinger, I need more than great sex, okay?"

Apparently she needed more beta characteristics at that time, more attention, more coddling, in addition to the sex, and I wasn't providing that. She wasn't wrong. She was my girlfriend, but I often treated her like a glorified pump and dump, which she got off on sexually, but it created a rift in her emotionally.

The first girlfriend I ever had, I gave her mind-bending orgasms that caused her whole body to convulse and her pussy to violently contract.

The "give her awesome sex and she'll always want you" mantra is not true at all and in my opinion reflective of a MALE point of view. If a girl is hot as fuck and giving us great sex, then we'll probably always want her in our life. While great sex can be high on a woman's hierarchy of needs, it isn't everything for her, and it can move down on the hierarchy depending upon where she is at in her life.

If the girl is happy and high self esteem and bursting with vigor, then great sex might keep her around for a while. But if her step-dad's stressing her out by yelling at her every day and she's about to lose her job, and her best friend just had a fight with her and all you're doing is pump and dump, this is where beta dudes who tend to her emotional needs can creep in like weasels waiting in the wings.

thewrightstuff88 · 2015-05-19T11:12:28+00:00

It all comes down to SMV. Even if you have high enough SMV for her to fuck you, another guy with the same or higher (aka Clooney), can come around and have a piece of her.

Women do not possess loyalty, its not in their genes. To them, whether they acknowledge it or not, it's all about survival and who will supplicate them the best.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-05-19T14:22:22+00:00

Charm is a better indicator than Sex.

Charm means she is placing you in the Power position above her. It means she respects you. You do run the risk of the 2% Lucifers Daughter with excellent Charm sneaking in and making you believe she respects you when she doesn't but that's on your part to have the discernment to spot her. I've had only one like this in my entire life so they are very rare.

Most Feminist influenced women lack Charm and are very up front about lacking it. (acting empowered, self entitled)

So for about 98% of the time if she respects (Charms) you then that's good.

SkorchZang · 2015-05-20T00:44:31+00:00

I think a decent indicator of a woman's loyalty is whether you have ever seen her face a random dilemma, cringe about it, whine, and then still she did the boring "morally right" thing to the detriment of her own short term enjoyment.

When have I ever seen that? In a woman? I ask myself over and over, and memory furnishes a depressing answer: "dude, never".

If your girl is capable of that she's not like the rest (has discipline, instead of the typical do now, rationalize later of normal spoiled women), then there's some hope she's functionally capable of being loyal. Whether she'll want to or not, and how to maintain that "want" so it keeps on burning bright like a beacon in her life, is a whole other question.

RPJapan · 2015-05-20T02:56:52+00:00

Enthusiastic blowjobs are more of an interest indicator in my opinion.

bitches_be_crazy86 · 2015-05-19T14:54:16+00:00

Two crucial problems with your thread :

passionate sex - who says it's passionate ? Naturally it's reported by guys because for an average shitty guy these days when she puts out it's like 7th heaven. If it isn't like terrible and downright akward then it's passionate.
If you have to put BB coins in form of an LTR to get some sex then you already make a good cuckolding material.

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Apanthropos · 2015-05-19T11:38:31+00:00

Sometimes she has to fuck around with the penguins in order to realize that she is attracted to sharks.

chickenparade · 2015-05-19T16:22:56+00:00

If George Clooney walked in front of your apartment's door, while your girl was heading out after a "hot steamy" sex session with you, what would you think would have happened?

Maybe I'm reading a bit too much into the hyperbole, but I don't think she'd ditch you to start going at it with him immediately. It's more important that she be able to maximize their sexual options without being perceived as a slut.

What does happen all the time is a woman already lines up another provider boyfriend by leading him on before officially dumping the other, so technically it isn't cheating.

[deleted] · 2015-05-19T22:30:14+00:00

Sometimes she wants her beta bucks. Sometimes those weasels get laid....

Fucking on point post man. I share the same experience with many guys on here while using sex as my measuring stick to how things were with her.

R_E_D_1 · 2015-05-20T03:21:14+00:00

True story. A girl dumped me despite being the best lover she ever had (multiple orgasms 'n' shit...or so she said). One of my current plates is an AWFUL lay and our sex is disjointed and ridiculous. Figuring she would only be with me briefly, I made every sexual encounter about my satisfaction primarily. She is more emotionally anchored to me than any chick I've ever dated. Go figure.

Keeping your SMV high is infinitely more important than laying pipe like a pro. It keeps that emotional hamster a-spinnin' yo.

Edit: clarity

YouDislikeMyOpinion · 2015-05-20T19:25:22+00:00

Maybe a better indicator would be how much the woman craves sex with you.

If she will move mountains to fuck you it means she really likes being with you. If she could get the same sex/fulfillment elsewhere for cheaper she would. But she's going to cook you dinner and go out of her way to cancel other plans to be with you instead.

That's a quality indicator in my experience. Not because it makes her loyal, but because the value you provide to her is greater than her alternatives; hypergamy is satiated.

This goes without saying that she's never yours, it's just your turn.

boyyousostupid · 2015-05-21T22:32:40+00:00

Why would anyone claim that one's perceived coital quality would have anything to do with the other party's loyalty/monogamy in the first place?

I liked the sex = you are only having sex with me. How does one even reach that conclusion?

BlackHeart89 · 2015-05-19T13:54:24+00:00

Great post OP.

[deleted] · 2015-05-19T23:56:58+00:00

Just to be clear. Great sex is different from frequent sex, right?

dayeshadow · 2015-05-20T03:42:44+00:00

We used to have passionate sex, but since getting married, it is rare

sexygorilla · 2015-05-20T19:39:10+00:00

So what, if you don't mind me asking, can be done in order to encourage loyalty and what therefore should be the role of sex in a relationship from a man's perspective? Is not sex also a tool that can be used by women in order to 'conquer' high value males and therefore essentially a double edged sword unless you are exceptionally good in bed?

Tarnsman4Life · 2015-05-21T00:48:11+00:00

Perfect example from NSFWAMA; woman chimed in a couple of days ago about how she bare backs strangers to relive her slut CC years. Claims she still fucks hubby just like she always did doing all kinds of kinky stuff (hard to believe but OK lets believe it) doesn't change the fact she is still fucking guys from the Gym bareback and will probably bring home an STD.

Worst part is eventually she will figure out the reason she's doing this is she isin't attracted to her husband and will stop fucking him. By the time most women stop fucking you, they have already been fucking someone else.

[deleted] · 2015-05-21T03:43:27+00:00

Tl;dr : hypergamy will always be.

OilyB · 2015-05-21T17:06:58+00:00

Guys, help me out here - just an open ended question:

what IS a good indication of a woman's loyalty? besides asking her, which I know is bullshit?

LifeLogic · 2015-05-20T23:38:28+00:00

From my small sampling women who often have had passionate sex were very highly sexually active in general. It may have less to do with you and more to do with overall levels of estrogen that such women have. I have see the more hot and passionate these types are; the more they can get aroused. It becomes a control game then, of not putting themselves into situations.

Thus when one of these women I am describing had become very comfortable in a relationship with me. They actually ended up cheating because they thought that I would be supportive of anything they did so they dropped their guard in a situation which she then could not control herself in.

Title	Good sex should never be an indicator of a woman's loyalty.
Author	Goldfulgore
Upvotes	224
Comments	90
Date	May 19, 2015 9:21 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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