When my wife [32F] and I [32M] got married eighht years ago, she made about 15K more per year than I did. Our agreement at that time was that we'd keep separate checking accounts plus a joint for household expenses, with the understanding that money left over after contributions to household expenses, savings, retirement, etc. would be put in the separate accounts and we could spend it how we wanted. My wife was the one who insisted on this, and although I was not a fan (wanted joint accounts for all funds), I agreed since she felt strongly about it.
A few years after we married I decided to go to law school. Long story short, I ended up at a big law firm and now earn about four times what my wife does. Since I managed not to go into debt, I have a good bit of money left over after I make my contributions to our joint expenses.
My wife asked me to reconsider this arrangement (she doesn't feel like its fair that I get to buy most of the things I want while she is on a much more limited budget), and I told her I would not reconsider it since this is what she wanted originally. I think fair is fair since this was her idea, but I do wonder if I am wrong for refusing to reconsider our financial arrangement?
AITA?
[–]dumbwaeguk99 points100 points101 points (16 children) | Copy Link
Just a note that r/AITA is TA for getting pissed off whenever r/MGTOW crossposts one of their thread and locks them. First, because it's not the OP's fault that r/MGTOW decides to weigh in. Second, because there's no reason why MGTOW people shouldn't weigh in as a group. After all, r/AITA is predominantly women and pro-woman lefties, so the small influx of pro-man voters wouldn't do more than slightly balance the opinions, which is what people really need when they're figuring out where their opinion stands. It's not like r/AITA is real morality anyway, it's just "did I win this argument or not," so maybe they're afraid that people could win an argument with a worldview that doesn't conform to that of 20-something coastal liberals arts graduates.
[–]Flesh_Pillow541 points42 points43 points (4 children) | Copy Link
You've pretty much explained that entire thread and their motivations
[–]dumbwaeguk26 points27 points28 points (3 children) | Copy Link
More like the entire sub
[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points (2 children) | Copy Link
must go deeper,
more like the entire website
[–]dumbwaeguk-1 points0 points1 point (1 child) | Copy Link
then why are you here?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Because I enjoy the memes and the discourses.
Who hurt you?
[–]esteban133723 points24 points25 points (1 child) | Copy Link
AITA mods are beta cucks and troglodytes. They banned me from their sub because I crossposted here
[–]dumbwaeguk9 points10 points11 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't know and I won't judge. Their sub is borderline. Not fringe, thankfully, but it's like one of those broken shopping carts that just can't stay centered.
[–]MostBuilder14 points15 points16 points (1 child) | Copy Link
They've blamed r/MGTOW even when it wasn't crossposted here. The mods there are such fucking morons if they think the amount of readers from here are going to affect anything on their subreddit.
Or they just use us as a scapegoats because they're lazy fucks and its easier to just blame us when people decide to have differing opinions than them.
[–]dumbwaeguk1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
if you blame MGTOW as if it's the fault of fringe incels then you are objectively wrong and a piece of shit. YTPOS
[–]Chad_Thundacock5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Nailed it.
[–]Azuzu883 points4 points5 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh shit is that why they locked it?
[–]dumbwaeguk4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
they literally lock every thread that gets crossposted here
"just take a screenshot"
just grow a pair
[–]William20252 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
YaH’lL cAnT bEhAvE!!!
[–]panascope0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I’ve never posted in this subreddit but the thread was locked because of this one crosslinking the post. But the tone of the comments doesn’t seem dramatically different and, even if there are 10:1 lurkers to posters here you wouldn’t have that much of an effect on the posts in there. I guess I’m not really sure why your crosslink warrants an immediate closure of the thread.
To me, I’m not sure how you vote anything other than they both suck. She sucks for the obvious reasons of trying to lord her earnings over him and then trying to rewrite the rules, and he sucks for getting married to someone with whom he was not on the same page financially. It also seems extremely dangerous for him to start mixing finances now, because in my mind she’ll have an easier claim to more of his money if they start mixing. So is there a way forward? Only if she decides she’s cool with the existing arrangement. Otherwise it sounds like it’s time to dissolve the marriage.
[–]usa_foot_print0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
lol I am not even mgtow but I got banned on that sub for having too many disagreements
[–]CuntMonteCristo79 points80 points81 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Your money is our money and my money is my money
[–]ijnenak26 points27 points28 points (0 children) | Copy Link
My money is mine and your money is mine too
[–]SologamousMonk6 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Bingo
[–]starkfuture43 points44 points45 points (14 children) | Copy Link
There is nothing fair in marriage. Being a lawyer he should have known that. 8 years in she can probably claim lifetime alimony if it is cuckfornia.
[–]nigga_phil37 points38 points39 points (3 children) | Copy Link
"It won't happen to me, she's loves me!"
[–]teslaistheshit8 points9 points10 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Every moron (myself included) thinks this way. I won't do it again unless she makes significantly more than me and brings assets to the table (mutual risk). Guys that get married more than once should be committed for mental illness.
[–]hrm08944 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Even if a woman made a billion more than me, I still wouldn't consider. I've realized that no amount of money can replace peace, sanity, and time. Modern women just ain't worth it.
[–]teslaistheshit3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
It'd be worth it for me. I'd just wait it out like they all do until permanent alimony is on the table. Then I'd do whatever the fuck I wanted and force her to divorce. Pretty much the same thing they do.
[–]spiesvsmercs4 points5 points6 points (5 children) | Copy Link
I think it's 10 for California but at least the state lacks cohabitation laws.
[–]JohnWicksSpentBrass0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Might wanna check again. California recognizes common law and palimony after only 6 months, bruv.
I know because I used it as a soldier to collect the housing allowance.
[–]spiesvsmercs1 point2 points3 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Dude, where are you getting this? Also if you were a soldier were you even subject to state law for housing allowance or were you following national guidelines?
I did find one site that said that it might be possible if you had a contract, gave up your career, etc but Marvin Vs Marvin, the woman wanting palimoney lost because she (supposedly) relied on an oral agreement.
"The Truth About Common Law Marriage & “Palimony” in California" suggests you'd essentially need a contract to get palimoney, which seems reasonable to me.
[–]JohnWicksSpentBrass0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes. I did have to sign with my ex and get notarized documentation which I submitted to my finance office and chain of command. My point is that a woman could pretty much do the same WITHOUT my consent and it would be very hard to fight it.
Without doxing myself I'll tell you that I was recruited in one state and sent to another. I was subject to BOTH that state's and federal law in addition to military UCMJ.
I will admit that interstate law, federal law, and military law can get RIDICULOUSLY complex. All I can do is tell you my personal experience. It was a very rare thing that actually happened to be an advantage because I got quite a bit of extra non taxable cash. Wouldn't suggest anyone else try it as it was pre 9/11 when I did it, but I am saying its POSSIBLE.
When its POSSIBLE that a chamber in a revolver is loaded would you put it to your head pull the trigger? Not me.... not ever again.
[–]spiesvsmercs1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I appreciate the counterpoint. Nice username BTW.
[–]JohnWicksSpentBrass0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks, Bruv. I appreciate your ability to adapt and accept new info.
Best of luck out there. Keep your head down and ALWAYS fire back when shot at (both legally and in the real world).
[–]fmanly3 points4 points5 points (2 children) | Copy Link
If she actually makes more than him this might not be a good thing for her. I think 10 is the limit for lifetime as was mentioned by /u/teslaistheshit . However, I think the laws are usually written such that the higher earner pays the lower. A court might just not award any alimony though.
They're definitely biased, but it isn't unheard of for the woman to end up paying the man if she earns substantially more. That is why feminists are starting to tear down alimony laws.
Now, if there is a kid that is another ball game - child support almost always benefits the woman regardless of everything else.
[–]Lorelei_Valfreyja2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Yep, if a parent makes substanially more than the other parent - the primary residential parent can end up being responsible to pay child support to the alternate residential parent.
I met a dad with custody of his kid that had a current order to pay child support to the non-custodial mother, that blew my mind.
[–]fmanly0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That depends on the state and just how different the incomes are.
In many cases you have a 50/50 custody agreement with one parent having primary custody. That means they have the kids the bulk of the time especially for stuff like school/etc, but they might alternate weekends and weeknights and so on. If the agreement is 50/50 on paper (even if one does more of the work), then the support money ends up being split by income ratio in a lot of states. That could result in the primary custodial parent paying the alternate if the primary makes more.
Now, once the custody isn't 50/50 the money is much more likely to go towards the primary parent, unless you're talking about very different income levels.
But, the laws do vary by state.
The reason I said it usually benefits the women is because most of the time they get significantly more custody, on top of having a lower income much of the time as well (especially if there are kids involved).
[–]MisterEdGein70 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
10 years. I know because I filed for divorce at 9 years 11 months into my marriage. 😊
[–]throwaway2255841 points42 points43 points (7 children) | Copy Link
what the fuck is wrong with people? i mean in a perfect world, everything should be shared sure but obviously she didn't do that.
suddenly when the husband treats the wife the same way the wife treated the husband, its "keeping score" and asshole-ish? and both need counciling?
kill me. just fucking shoot me in the fucking face. get me off this fucking planet because people cannot POSSIBLY have this lack of self-awareness.
[–]SologamousMonk11 points12 points13 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly right. It is just 'woman good, man bad' as the starting axiom from which all conclusions flow.
[–]teslaistheshit11 points12 points13 points (4 children) | Copy Link
My marriage counselor said I was keeping score. Here's my thing though. Of course it matters to keep score! When I was married I paid for everything, did most of the chores, and made all the plans for dates. What the fuck is the point if you're doing all the work in a relationshit?
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Men keep a score with friends all the time. I know I do. If someone is always helping me out, you can be damn sure I'll do my best to help them out in times of need. Kinda same thing if they don't lift a finger to help me.
If she didn't want to share resources then, it's obviously because she had more, but now that she has less she wants it shared? GTFO...
[–]teslaistheshit3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Have an upvote!
[–]Gemjab1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Your first problem was marriage counseling, I bet your wife was an angel to the counselor. That shit never works and anyone who offers that as a solution need to get their brains checked.
[–]WanderlustYouth0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Marriage counselor means "how can i get another person to tell my husband everything i think is wrong about him", if you're going to a marriage counselor its already a losing battle for the man.
[–]Adast_Adamov39 points40 points41 points (4 children) | Copy Link
People in comments say that agreement was okay before since gap between their wages was smaller and now it isn't fair. I disagree with that. Money mattered more when he was a student than when he became a professional.
[–]shandsup20 points21 points22 points (0 children) | Copy Link
They are probably factoring in "muh wage gap" and other problems that don't exist
[–]teslaistheshit11 points12 points13 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed. Amount has nothing to do with it. She set the precedent of protecting her income and now he's doing the same. Shame on anyone that thinks you can change the rules of the game while it's in play.
[–]usa_foot_print7 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The only reasonable response is that poor mans response in that thread basically saying "my gf and I tried that. I struggled to make ends meet and she had plenty of cash. We eventually broke up because we couldn't even have the same lifestyle"
That is the only response that makes sense. Now if this dude is blowing his money on a much more expensive lifestyle, its definitely going to end the marriage. But if he is investing in a hobby or investing the extra money, and keeps the lifestyle similar, there should be little to no problem IF his wife wasn't a bitch.
[–]lonewolfhistory0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
My favorite is the argument that she was unsure of the marriage till he became rich argument.
[–]Krazyrobus31 points32 points33 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Lol, holding women to standards they create and they can't handle it, what a shocker.
[–]Tonyb3324 points25 points26 points (2 children) | Copy Link
This is a classic woman’s behaviour. I have even been in a situation where due to my contacting I tend to get feast or famine. When I have been flush she always had a plan to spend the extra money, when I was out of contract she kept up a stream of bullshit excuses why money wouldn’t go the other way. You could actually see briffaults law in operation she knew when I was in contract I earned 4 times what she did out of contract she gave me support when savings ran low. You could almost see her calculate the likelihood of a new contract.
[–]Flesh_Pillow57 points8 points9 points (1 child) | Copy Link
That's scary. How did it end?
[–]Tonyb3328 points29 points30 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I left.
[–]PhoenixRising-MGTOW16 points17 points18 points (2 children) | Copy Link
And why is it again that men continue getting in committed relationships?? All these relationships have to offer is abuse towards men. Pump and dump, watch porn, or get a whore. Why commit to a used up narcissistic, arrogant, entitled, mentality ill slut?? Why?
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[–]Gloval17 points8 points9 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Prove it. We'll wait.
[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points (1 child) | Copy Link
LOL, that's funny.
Actually the same thing happened to me in my first marriage, her family demanded that we had a prenup since:
so the prenut called for:
Well, when we divorced:
So they tried to amend and reverse the agreement. The Judge, a woman, in the divorce looked at the separation agreement where I had no debt allocated to me and all the debt was to her; and where we split the common assets in half (whatever crap we owned in our rented apartment) and how I has savings (not much) and she had nothing.
So the judge asked me and I told her that it was her family's decision that we had separate finances, so we did. I put myself through school and contributed to the family expenses with no debt while having oower income; while my wife run up her debt while having less expenses and higher income.
The judge looked at my wife, asked her if that was the case, my wife confirmed it all.
it wasn't much, we had no assets aside from the stuff in our apartment, my savings were less than 10K and her debt was just about 10K.
Judge shook her head, and confirmed everything.
Later on wife's family tried to sue me for alimony once I was making a lot more money, but my lawyers told them that we would be willing to re-consider that if they were open to share future inheritance. That became a mute point, and we all went our own way.
[–]Gemjab0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm glad yours was a good ending.
[–]misfits20256 points7 points8 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Shocking how when the script flips, she suddenly wants to renegotiate.
I say keep your money dude, and kick that black widow to the curb.
[–]SologamousMonk5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Again, so banal. If you can just play the 'Reverse the Genders' game and expect a wholly different shoddily-rationalized conclusion, then there is no good faith analysis occurring. It is just 'woman good, man bad' presupposed and then lazily and speciously supported post-hoc.
[–]Burnvictim-Chad4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
He should be enjoying every moment of this. I'd throw it in her face every chance i could.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Jesus Christ. They're saying he sucks for adhering to the rules she set out that no longer give her an advantage.
My god I fucking hate this website.
[–]shun23112 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Disgusting cunts locked down the thread
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The comments are absolutely disgusting. (Not direct quotes but they read like that)
"She earned more and wanted to keep more for herself? That's fine!"
"HOLD UP, YOU ARE EARNING MORE NOW AND WANT TO KEEP THAT ARRANGEMENT? YOU FUCKING PIG"
Fucking simps.
[–]selfism_mike1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, you can.
The world would be a happier place if men would pay more attention to what goes into bitches mouths, and less to what comes out of it.
[–]FutureSquall1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Of course the knights locked it down.
[–]Stahlboden1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You sow in your bed, now you reap in it
[–]Ibelieveallwomen1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Women are terribly short sighted and selfish.
[–]lonewolfhistory1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I honestly don't understand how he was the asshole? He wasn't keeping score or being petty, he was being consistent and fair. Can someone explain this to me, am I missing something here
[–]zdul1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Because he is a selfish man /s
[–]michealjcaboose871 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I wondered WTF happen. r/madlad
[–]Thermotastic1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Women will use it as an excuse to fuck you over.
[–]DrJamming0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, cucked as hell. "It was a bad idea, you should stop". When she was on the good end of the deal it wasn't a problem. Now that things swung in his favour - NOW it's a problem and should be solved.
Thread is locked else i would reply to him "No you're not, and that's your problem. Start being an a-hole and enjoying your life!"
[–]Zcuzz0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
NTA. I relate this to a situation I had once.
I was in a long distance relationship and the girl suggested we try and open relationship. Long story short, she got IRATE when she found out I was actually sleeping around. If she were honest about things, she would've just said she wanted to sleep with other people and expected me to remain monogamous.
Any person who wants to back out of a situation they proposed when it no longer favors them is DEFINITELY THE ASSHOLE.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I read a post or two from that sub once per day. Reiterates the fact that I made the right decision to not get married or live with another woman, ever again.
[–]WanderlustYouth0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
God i hate cucks/women so much, here's the highest response:
"ESH. Is this tit-for-tat counting nickels really the way you want to approach your marriage? Get some couples therapy and talk this out. Talk about how you felt when she didn’t share with you and maybe she can share why it was important to her then but she feels differently now. Sounds like you both need to grow up."
Yeah had this been the other way around i HIGHLY doubt this would be the response. Also he's done nothing wrong, he's honoring the deal that SHE made, if the dumb cunt wants more money she better start working her ass off.