How many of you have lost 90-99% of faith in humanity? I literally don't trust anyone anymore.

SomeGhostingGuy · 2019-05-03T14:03:22+00:00

Sadly we live in a society where people abusing trust in all forms are very well protected by the law. As I always say: you can have a just society or a lawful society, but nether both.

The key to live is to spot the differences between a legit service and a scam.

Sir_manalot · 2019-05-03T14:09:58+00:00

If you ever wanna chat bro, you can message me. Ill talk and listen and there is nothing I want out of it either. 🤙

Astral-Projector · 2019-05-03T14:14:18+00:00

Yupp, you can't even trust your own blood anymore. The Red Pill gives an individual a devastating reality check once it's swallowed and the rage comes naturally with the fact that you have been played for your whole life.

I don't trust anyone anymore.

I rarely hang out with people anymore.

I sure as hell don't give anyone something they haven't earned.

I've lost basically 95% of my social circle, even though im a very socialable likeable guy(atleast what people have been telling me)

I used to be a guy that always gave more then i got back, both to people in my social circle and other aspects in my life.

The hardest thing for me atleast to swallow wasn't chicks. I already saw them as fuckdolls before i discovered TRP and MGTOW.

It was that noone really gives a shit about you. You're just a cog in the wheel. A means to the end. For everyone. Even your closest "friends".

foolishghost · 2019-05-03T13:57:46+00:00

One of my uncles lived life in his own terms and died alone in a hospice even though he was hardly a MGTOW. Family far away learned months later. Sad, but true story.

yolodd · 2019-05-03T14:29:18+00:00

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jrpark05 · 2019-05-03T14:39:57+00:00

Going through this right now, and have for most of my life. Will continue to ask people how their doing and do it because I want to, but am definitely aware they are selfish and offer very little in return.

For example, was a friend to this deadbeat who has a major drinking problem. Actually, he lost his job because of other issues, and I was his friend, through it all. Receive an email from his (after six months of no contact), where he just writes "fuck you, ass hole". I respond that if he has something to say to me, say it. Pussy hasn't responded.

I have a plan for early retirement, where I can completely GMOW, and don't have to speak to another soul if I don't want to. I'm done.

wsuofd · 2019-05-03T13:57:47+00:00

99.99999

massy525 · 2019-05-03T15:09:54+00:00

"If you need anything, I'm here for you, just let me know"

Unless you see that person everyday it is always a lie. Even then it still is usually a lie.

One of the things that made first world countries able to be the way they are was a general social if not trust at least expectation that people would do what is mostly right because it benefited everyone. People mostly were mostly adhering to this unspoken rule. Part of the reason the current "leaders" are allowing 3rd world cultures to overrun civilized society is so that it can destabilize this social contract. When those people come to some place like the US all they see is a bunch of gullible idiots that "actually trust society" This has the effect of bleeding out into everyone and eventually no one can be trusted. That is what the current overall feeling many people are experience is about such as r/collapse. It only takes one shithead screwing over 100's of people to cause major ripple effects in societal trust. One of the biggest indicators of a nations success is trustworthiness. That is one of the reasons Africa cannot ever dig itself out to become a decent nation despite being super resource rich. The vast majority of people in that country will seriously stab their own mom in the back for a nickle. You cant have functional commerce with that mentality. Now they are bringing it to the developed world. (this is not a rant about skin color btw)

Weak unorganized,distrustful people are easy to control and exploit.

hrm0894 · 2019-05-03T14:25:29+00:00

Yep. I've been fucked over too many times. People abusing my kindness and after a while they expect you to do shit for them. I'm done with it. I live for me only now.

Docbear64 · 2019-05-03T15:43:57+00:00

If you can honestly say you have one or two good people in your life then you've found the treasure trove . Lots of abusers and users out there so the few people out there who are really supportive and understanding are human gold .

I'm jaded as fuck , I don't trust many people, and much like you it's due to lots of examples and solid reasons not too . I've jut learned in a society that cares so little for me or the people in my life who matter I have to focus on me first because no one else will .

volcanolairbadguy · 2019-05-03T15:33:20+00:00

Clown World has that affect.

Its red pill or black pill rage.

Meditate, do yoga, find a spiritual church, and reconnect with people. You can go to a dark. Place like the mini van guy but that's a bit strange and a lack of integration of self.

Look into bioenergetics. Look into mma, crossfit, a gym membership.

Watch Jordan Peterson youtube vids. Read philosophy. Peterson speaks about maps of meaning (imho, his greatest work) and its profound. He talks about the storytelling, about the concept of wishing upon a star, lookin into the heavens, and pursuit of the highest good. Have a aim. Set some goals. Have metrics and a benchmark both short term and long term.

The challenge is "what now" when faced with star dusts red pill malaise having GYOW.

Fill the ambiguity with something, anything of substance that you deemed meaningful.

ThatOneTy · 2019-05-03T14:11:04+00:00

I’m with you man, I kinda lost it at age 13. Was an introvert ever since birth but high school is what set it off for me. I was popular, handsome, fastest sprinter in school but I was the quietest and most focused. Girls were all over me, and I was too oblivious and naive to know what they wanted. I really just didn’t care, I was hurt real bad that age and I decided that people and shit.

Tyler789228 · 2019-05-03T16:40:30+00:00

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CoinSwapTrader · 2019-05-03T14:55:23+00:00

Most people are soulless users and parasites!

Chill-BL · 2019-05-03T14:27:02+00:00

Yep I recent came to the same conclusion, I realized how alone I am, and therefore defer most (if not all) action towards the cultivation of the body and the self, as they are purposefully only concerned with their own immediate need, so it is only justified that I too am concerned with only my own need.

All is fair.

CastandRefused · 2019-05-03T16:28:32+00:00

I lost faith in humanity a long time ago. Don't get me wrong I talk with seemingly nice people from time to time but all throughout my teenage years and most of my 20's people have been shitty to me and I'm not sure why. This has scarred me, I'm very closed off, I don't socialize much. Learned that it's just the way people are, I stopped caring. I'm now a lone wolf on my own personal quest for some peace of mind.

johnnynix18 · 2019-05-03T16:42:56+00:00

You want to find out who's real friends? Stop contacting them and lay low off social media for awhile. You'll find out very quickly who's who.

TenderWalnut · 2019-05-03T16:49:45+00:00

My dog cares. At this point that’s all that matters

eirikr14 · 2019-05-03T14:43:21+00:00

I feel your pain brother. The only people that have stayed true to me are my parents and my younger brother. Everyone else is in it for themselves, and when the only thing you have to offer them is friendship, it’s not enough.

caem123 · 2019-05-03T14:45:21+00:00

'Diversity' is waking people up earlier. My high school-age children know more about the honesty of other 'demographics' better than I did when I was a teenager. I was very trusting when I was young.

Now as an adult, I see so many people advance their careers dishonestly. Right now, so many people have trusted their wealth to Wall Street, which is due for another '08/'09 style fleecing of Americans.

TheLightningMachine · 2019-05-03T17:19:49+00:00

Hey man, I’m in the same boat here. I actually really like this thread because it allows me to write this, which is therapeutic.

I think words like “trust”, “(true) friend”, and “busy” (amongst many, many more) are severely misunderstood and abused. Even when I was a little kid I very rarely called people my “friends”. Not because I wanted to behave like an asshole, but because I genuinely felt that you can’t just become somebody’s friend with the snap of a finger. Humans shouldn’t function this way. They can’t. You can’t just feel emotions for a lone brick because his brick-family has been used to create a building in another country.

The term “friend” to me is for somebody you have known for quite a long while. It will depend on the situation, it will depend on the person, but for me this generally takes at least a year, maybe eighteen months, whom you have consistent dialogue with and make each other laugh or feel comfortable. Somebody who helps you out even if they themselves have their own issues, it’s something that’s unconditional. That’s what a friend means to me. What tons and tons and TONS of people really have are acquaintances, not friends. They “know” a lot of people but they don’t truly “know” a single one of them. Part of me feels the Facebook quantity over quality zeitgeist has something to do with that. Back in high school there was only a single teacher who agreed with my assessment of what friends are so much he actually made it his focal point of his next 50-minute class, to the chagrin of all of my class mates. He himself stated that you’d be lucky if you had more than two real friends when you reach the age of 45, let alone the people you stay “friends” with at 18.

I have the same problem with today’s use of the word “trust”. I think people are very uncritical and don’t have a clue what that word means, because trust as a word is very dynamic. You can trust somebody to give you a lift and then there are people you’d trust your money with. By that criteria, the only people I would truly trust are my parents. And with the criteria I have of friends, well, I don’t have any of what I would call “friends”.

And yet, that’s totally okay because you’re not being deluded by people, your time isn’t being wasted, and when you think of it like I do, the chance of being disappointed gets severely diminished. Never “trust” anybody at work to help you to a higher position. Never “trust” anybody at work to shut up when you say something privately about yourself. When you need somebody’s help for a difficult thing you need to do and somebody says two or three times they’re “busy”, give up on them. Always assume the worst with people, and let people climb the ladder of your standards.

When roaming the MGTOW Reddit for the past five to six months I discovered that MGTOW mostly consists of people who used to care waaay too much about the opinions of others and worked way too hard to be liked by those others, while that wasn’t ever going to happen in the first place.

inh9275 · 2019-05-03T17:38:45+00:00

We live in an NPC world sadly, I have already lost faith in my people.

TheDumbassGenius · 2019-05-03T16:44:54+00:00

WhO hUrT yOu?

DaBiff184220 · 2019-05-03T17:57:16+00:00

The best way to weed out fake family members/friends is to tell them that you like Donald trump lol. True friends respect differences in opinion but some people will literally eliminate you from their life for having the audacity to support the president

247spyz4life · 2019-05-03T16:32:28+00:00

I have ONE friend that I believe actually cares about me - more than any woman ever did. And he’s married now so we don’t really talk a whole lot anymore.
I find most people to be inherently selfish and lazy with a herd mentality - whatever’s popular, loud, shiny and expensive - is the greatest thing ever. Sad thing is, if you can’t adopt one of these traits, you’ll never get ahead.

TheGoodFeeling · 2019-05-03T14:50:39+00:00

Well, luckily I have a handful of the best friends I will ever meet in my life, and a solid family support system, especially my dad. I'm super grateful for these people because they have never steered me wrong and have always been by my side. The friends I have today will be my friends until the day I die.

TruthSeekingPerson · 2019-05-03T16:31:50+00:00

This is why family used to be so important. They would have your back. Aside from lifelong friendships there’s really no such thing as people are friends as it suits them.

2019-05-03T17:19:06+00:00

I had a circle of friends, some of whom I'd known for 25 years drop me like a hot potato after I got divorced. It was obvious they wanted their group to be couples only, so they made up and spread around fake stories on Facebook about how they dumped me for my abhorrent political views. Which was interesting, because in 25 years they'd never even bothered to ask me about my political views. In hindsight, they were pretty abusive people, I really should have had better judgement.

Ever considered attending a church of some kind? They're often made up of people who have lost a lot of faith in humanity and are trying to restore it, both in themselves and in others. That's why they voluntarily go to a service each week for everyone to remind themselves to be good to each other.

RealBiggly · 2019-05-03T18:27:06+00:00

Word to the wise - totally get what you're saying, but research shows we thrive better with at least some connection. You have guys offering an ear. Take em up on it.

frankgold · 2019-05-03T18:54:06+00:00

"All I'm gonna do is work my ass off and make a shitload of money. Then I'm gonna invest as much as I can as quickly as I can so I can retire early to live off of the dividends.

Then I'm going to shut off my cell phone, delete all of my contacts, cut all contact with "friends" and "family" (there might be 1 or 2 people IF THAT that I can trust for the most part)."

I'm a mgtow monk-ghost myself, on the same path as you. Definitely, you are not the only one.

2019-05-03T15:22:17+00:00

I did.

Bobby2016b · 2019-05-03T17:59:04+00:00

I have lost faith into humanity too.

You are correct. I've alway worked hard for employers and I hoped they would treat me as I treated them. I was very wrong. They are short-term and only act on leverage and not by what is right and fair.

Co-workers the same. Some were decent though and helped me when I needed them. Most are just pleasant and don't really care.

Employers just lie and break promises. They are pathological users.

Employers are like some women in a way. They are just interested in what you can provide and don't really care about you at all.

Pruny85 · 2019-05-03T19:10:41+00:00

i see stupidity and lies everyday!

i cut my tvcable subscription!

Red_Pill_Philosopher · 2019-05-03T14:11:16+00:00

Only true friends I have in my life is from time served in the military (U.S Navy).

(True blood brothers.)

Best way to acquire wealth is to minimize your expenses, keep your savings high and invest accordingly.

(Recommend hiring a financial advisor.)

It's true that as you get older your circle will continue to get smaller.

Relationships to me are superficial and not everyone you meet will make it to the finish line with you.

I've learned at 30 years old (this year) that my definition of happiness is solitude, self improvement, enjoying my hobbies, travel when I can, keep my circle small, take it a day at a time and know that things will always improve over time.

Every failure is an interview to a better opportunity.

(Remember that.)

MGTOW/Military have given me freedom/structure/direction/purpose.

Wish you great success and happiness my brother.

MGTOW is freedom.

:)

MuleFool42 · 2019-05-03T16:20:58+00:00

Your last paragraph is perfect. I think there are two or three people that I truly trust in this world. They've earned it. I'll do what I can for 'some' family, and that's about it.

I filter most people out of my life, or segregate them to acquaintance level status until they prove worth knowing better.

Solstus22 · 2019-05-03T16:26:27+00:00

Give people an incentive to act shitty or remove the consequences, they will take advantage of it.

markentingh · 2019-05-03T17:05:31+00:00

I only trust my fellow MGTOW brothers.

XbabyjeezusX · 2019-05-03T17:55:07+00:00

Dude I learned this lesson a little later but, I totally know where you're coming from. There are no such things as friends. They will drop you like a bad joke as soon as the chips are down or they no longer have a use for you. Your plan is perfect. Isolate the fuck out of yourself and save your money. Basically, as I think you have already seen this writing on the wall, no one is your friend and no one loves you. Don't get me wrong as soon as you make the mistake of telling anyone how much money you make or have you will be have plenty of friends and ass. Tell the ass some bullshit and beat the breaks off it the throw it away because that's EXACTLY what a woman will do to you if you let her. Just remember to pull out and just in case that don't work out don't tell them your real name

JackieChansArmpits · 2019-05-03T18:05:53+00:00

So... All I'm gonna do is work my ass off and make a shitload of money...

Sounds like a plan. Good luck.

TheDumbassGenius · 2019-05-03T18:53:21+00:00

Dont forget that they "accidentally" forget to invite you to hangout with them, but somehow managed to remember everyone else in your friend circle.

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OldRoad · 2019-05-03T19:46:17+00:00

There are still very good people out there. If you are lucky, you can have those kinds of good friendships with your close relatives. If you aren't so lucky, and if you still want to find such friendships (which you may or may not feel that you need to have), you can still find good people out there, although it might take some effort.

The thing is, especially if you are a busy person, you probably don't even have time for that many close friendships. So, it's not like you need to find 20 such friendships. These people who think they have like 100 friends -- how close could most of those friendships possibly be? There just isn't enough hours in the day for that many close friends, unless maybe one is retired or otherwise doesn't need to work.

Beyond that, don't dismiss the Internet. You have a world of people to communicate with, 24 hours a day, 7 days per week. Probably countless people that you would get along with. Maybe those people aren't going to be close friends, but at least they are people you can communicate with and share ideas with.

noah521252 · 2019-05-03T20:15:56+00:00

I agree with this so much I’ve been feeling the exact same way lately, I still need to find a way to be truly happy alone, I got my hobby’s like music but I feel there’s a void in my soul that yearns for friends and females.

RedPilledSimp · 2019-05-03T14:21:08+00:00

I'm doing Garibaldi's style: I give everyone a chance to disappoint me. So I trust people until proven otherwise. OC not in some flower power moronic way. So far the vast majority is trust worthy. Regarding the favor parasites I cut off my favours if my needs are always turned down. But it'd be too lonely to cut off people entirely. I.o.w. so far I found out the majority of people are not trying to backstab me.

Neroxist · 2019-05-03T15:38:17+00:00

Never ever put too much trust into your "friends", including family members. People aren't what they seem to be. most people nowadays are trash, they like to talk bad behind people's backs, and they'll tell others personal secrets that you have shared with them.

As for the job, find a way to make yourself unreplaceable. Make your managers feel good about themselves, don't offend their vanity. Once you hurt their fragile egos, they will replace you when given the chance.

This comes from personal experiences that I had and experiences from others.

2019-05-03T16:02:33+00:00

I have given up. Humanity is lost. There's no coming back. Now the best thing you can do is create a bubble away from other people and enjoy what time you have left.

TheKnightRunner · 2019-05-03T16:44:07+00:00

Deep down inside I've always been a bit of a loner, even know I've had decent circles of friends. But I've always kept people at arm's length because when you let people in and trust/depend on them, 99 times out of 100 you end up disappointed. As I've got into my 40's, reality has really hit me. Whether it's a significant other, close friends, or family, most people are extremely selfish. They will help you on their terms, but if something inconveniences them, they disappear into thin air. No matter what you have done for them. About 12 years ago or so, I moved to a new area that I don't know anyone. I've traveled to visit old friends/family probably 50 times during that timespan. How many times have people have come to visit me? Definitely less than 10. And "hey, I'm passing through town, want to have dinner? Also, can I crash at your place?" doesn't count.

yolodd · 2019-05-03T17:07:46+00:00

Agreed. I've been experiencing some of the same things at work and with family. I expected it from work, real eye opener from family.

I too plan on working and saving. Safe low cost of living societies can still be found. Early retirement is obtainable at well below retirement age. I'm opting out of clown world and hope to live in peaceful solitude and bliss soon.

Movements_ · 2019-05-03T17:08:42+00:00

I just think it’s hard to communicate to friends and family. Sure, everything you mentioned above is true and it’s extremely tempting to say “fuck-it”. Only by trying maybe you reach some people...

It’s “checking out early” (thinking ape term) from my friends that worries me and motivates my attempts.

Hopefully you don’t give up entirely amigo.

Cheers 🤙🏼

JihadNinjaCowboy · 2019-05-03T17:28:55+00:00

Western society doesn't exist anymore; it is dead. What you think is Western society is just a toxic toadstool growing on the rotting stump of what WAS Western society.

It is Leftist Marxist Globalist clown world now, and the inmates are running the asylum.

I trusted few (if any) people before, but I trust no one now.

throwywayyyyee · 2019-05-03T17:36:49+00:00

I have no friends, I have only my brother, father, grandmother I can trust and be real with when shit goes bad. My old best friend was also my cousin, anyways we stopped hanging out so much when he got a gf, one night he calls me up, it's real late, she lives near my grandparents where i was living at the time, and he says he can't find the hotel he's staying at because his phone has no data, he also drops the fact he hasn't paid for it yet, if you see what i mean, he was trying to subtly ask to stay over the night, and just use that, even though we weren't talking so much, i made an excuse why he couldn't, we haven't spoken since.

DarknetUser999 · 2019-05-03T18:27:25+00:00

Survival of the most cunning.

🖕This realm

trieasycx · 2019-05-03T19:10:06+00:00

Yo hit me up man in the dms. If you got a discord that's even better. Lets talk dude

yolodd · 2019-05-03T19:17:22+00:00

Ecclesiastes 7:28: "I found one upright man among a thousand, but not one upright woman among them all."

Never trust a woman and even among men a true friend is hard to find.

shatterthecrystal63 · 2019-05-03T19:23:09+00:00

I'm somewhat in the same boat. It's not that I've given up hope on humanity, but as you stated, I do focus solely on myself. As someone who's spent entirely too much time and effort doing shit for other people, and still coming out without so much as a peck on the cheek, I'm definitely a lot more selfish now.

That's fine by me. My money, my life, my time. No one else is worth it until they prove to me otherwise.

2019-05-03T19:30:33+00:00

OP, are you me?

DarkTruthOfLife · 2019-05-03T19:55:01+00:00

I'm with you brother, the world has changed quite a bit since I was young. The only individuals I truly trust these days are my father, and my cat. Other members of my family have never been there for me in any capacity, and friends come and go. My father is the only person who has ever consistently been supportive, and in turn, I am doing the best to provide the same in his twilight years.

eofree2be · 2019-05-03T19:55:44+00:00

Some good advice I heard once is “an expectation is a resentment waiting to happen.” I’ve been burned this way too man. Too many ways to get even start. Either serve or don’t. No one can blame you either way. Sometimes they’ll give you the pikachu face when you say no. But fuck em if that’s your choice. If they have gratitude if you help great. If not, carry on.

gmoola702 · 2019-05-03T20:12:55+00:00

Here here

imlurkingdontmindme · 2019-05-03T20:27:31+00:00

Actually my perspective on humanity hasn’t changed much since I’ve found MGTOW. My life hasn’t changed much apart from the expected growing-up stuff.

2019-05-03T20:31:24+00:00

All of humanity? Not really. But it has brought things into an interesting perspective.

daniel13324 · 2019-05-03T21:25:48+00:00

If a girl doesn’t let you hang out with her friends, drop her immediately. The age-old joke that weddings are where a man’s friends say their last goodbyes as married men never see their friends anymore sort of normalizes this controlling behavior.

BullTopia · 2019-05-03T21:46:42+00:00

be wary investing

Tyler789228 · 2019-05-03T21:53:46+00:00

You need to learn to love yourself and ENJOY your own company. Learn to take care of yourself in any way you can, because no one truly cares about you. Being alone does not make you lonely. I honestly feel healthier emotionally by myself than with people. Sorry for this long ass rant guys.

This ! Have an upvote.

bigtallcountry · 2019-05-03T21:55:19+00:00

Buy some rental properties and hire a property manager and you can ahead faster than with dividends

paulkersey1999 · 2019-05-03T21:55:27+00:00

oh, absolutely i have, decades ago. but i consider it a blessing. i KNOW what people are and i know what to expect of them. most never learn this. they expect people to be good, selfless and honest (hahaha) and are totally shocked when they get lied to, stolen from, betrayed and fucked over. their unrealistic expectations about how people SHOULD be conflict with the reality of how they actually are. it's always best to be realistic about everything.

Zombocom1911 · 2019-05-03T22:03:52+00:00

this is wise. you are aware of the lies that underlie reality , that others are too cowardly to face.

CptGoodnight · 2019-05-03T22:27:32+00:00

I hear you.

I think people are mostly good, but limited. They have their life and needs to attend to. So do I. I don't walk around dishing out love either.

There are good folks out there willing to talk real with you and do fun things together. Obviously this won't include 99% of people you ever see or interact with in life.

Just move slow. Be consistent and show signs of steadiness. Be willing to laugh now and then. Be interested in others but never too interested. Be very very slow to give opinions or advice.

And don't expect quick results from people. They have to choose to see value in getting close to you.

I just focus on being consistent and controlling my impulses. I let others see my priorities by what I am doing every time they see me.

P.S. The halo effect, and everything it implies about people, is WAY bigger than people realize. It's not pretty. It's just the gene war tumbling us all forward.

But don't let it get you down. Be a person you can live with. Enjoy the existence of our Universe. It's a real privilege to be able to conceive of our reality & existence. Think big.

hakoonamatata9 · 2019-05-03T22:29:57+00:00

I must say I have an amazing family. My faith in humanity is still at 100%. If god has given me ONE blessing then it is my family. And I thank him for that.

2019-05-03T22:38:13+00:00

I learned a long time ago that the only person you can count on is yourself. Everyone else is to be taken with a grain of salt as they say. And yes, it is getting worse out there. People simply don’t care about one another, are so narcissistic and self centred, it’s a world gone mad. I have little interest these days in engaging with people and can easily see through all the bullshit out there. I am happy with my hobbies, company, and lifestyle, working towards my goals and no one else’s. The wise man is the man who can see society for what it is and act on being there for themselves and making sure they are living the life they want. So many men are slaves to women nowadays, and women, of course, we all know are not to be engaged with at all.

GYOW.

UltimateCurryCel · 2019-05-03T22:53:34+00:00

SleepDeprivedOwl · 2019-05-03T23:01:25+00:00

Lost faith in humanity? You just realised how the majority of people are, you were just extremely naive.

People have always been like this, only a naive person would expect people to care or help them with out anything in return. Only an extremely small amount of people are nice people who wants to help others.

bellal_a · 2019-05-03T23:14:36+00:00

Well said dude

since25jan2019 · 2019-05-03T23:25:46+00:00

Misanthrope checking in. Can confirm: People suck.

r8001 · 2019-05-03T23:29:18+00:00

Oh I've lost all faith in humanity looooooong ago. So long, I don't even remember. But what's funny is apparently losing ALL faith is not the limit. Humanity reached the rock bottom and had started to dig.

jhart82 · 2019-05-03T23:33:12+00:00

I had. I think the final straw was the divorce a year ago but it was not good before either.

I was with my counselor today who is a woman and she went into all this stuff about good people do exist and relationships do work. Unfortunately for her I've read what she has and far more over the last decade and laid into this poor lady about hypergamy,social acceptance. Males getting the shit end and females just winning nearly allways and even if they dont there is a sucker waiting to pick them up.

Went into how employers just have no loyalty no matter how great you are and more on how everyone is out for themselves eventually.

Kinda felt bad because I'm spitting stats and reality and shes spitting fluff. She got a factual beat down.

Now real quick I want to go into what you described above. I was nearly perfect as far as relationship and damn near flawless. Sure some things but nobody has ever said I caused the divorce. Quite the opposite.

I was the best in the world at my job but they bought a new location which I trained and they shut down mine. I was saving 50k a year which was almost half my pay. Pretty textbook way except far more then most.

There are plenty of instances of me being charitable and purposely letting myself get screwed on rent to be a "good guy" etc.

Outcome?

Divorce, laid off and barely get by due to some quick debt accumulation, almost all of my 250k I saved gone because companies did illegal stuff......

Now I'm sure it's very normal to be pissed and unhappy when you did more then the vast majority of the population and basically lose over a decade of your life and was the good man we are informed to be. I know I was. Still am a bit.

Heres the exciting part I just realized. All the stuff you said and literally all of that has happened to me is not why I should be pissed.

My problem was I expected something.

It sounds to me your pissed and frustrated because you expect things to go a certain way if you show these certain skills and attributes. I was for most my life because we are fed a lie that actions bring results thus we expect them.

No guarantee. People become drs and lost their hands. Invest great and get cancer at 30 etc. Shitty things just happen.

That's why I've been miserable and couldnt enjoy life. Only when expectations were achieved or happening.

I really think this is a strong guy trait by the way. But a trait that has to include work and not entitlement.

Although I understand and not saying you shouldnt just make money and blow the world off. That was my plan but be a good dad.

You may want to think if you are pissed because you gave people stuff or because you expected them to return the favor or give you more. Same thing with anything in life.

Once again I'm not disagreeing with you or really anything mgtow, hypergamy related. I've watched from the outside and dated in the last year heavily. It's the case 99% of the time. Very possibly more with time. I'm not in a relationship because of it.

But I was also still miserable.

Best of luck to you all

JohnPettimore · 2019-05-03T23:51:06+00:00

I think you guys are being simplistic. Imagine a Venn diagram. One circle is labeled "Altruism" and the other is labeled "Self-Interest." They almost totally overlap. People almost always act in what they believe is their self-interest, especially women. However, they are never, ever straightforward or honest about it, which is what you collectively both seem to expect and are disappointed in not seeing. But affection and friendship are very closely connected with perceptions of potential benefit.

What you're looking for is some kind of pure, abstract loyalty and love. It doesn't exist. I have thought about this a lot, and I believe longing for this is a kind of regression to the love that you experienced, ideally, when you were a small child, but those days are long over. Nobody, ever, doesn't operate out of a high percentage of self-interest. I haven't met too many saints. Thinking otherwise is literally a childish fantasy.

That being said, I also think that if you can provide, or make people believe you can provide, something they want, they will genuinely care about you. Again, especially true for women, who will genuinely and deeply love a man because he can provide for them and/or keep them safe.

This is as real and meaningful as love gets. It's at least partially conditional, as are a lot of friendships. And I'm fine with that. I really am. If a woman believes that you're the provider of comfort and security, you can pretty much do anything you want, within certain limits, and not only will she not mind, she'll find it alluring. But if you can't do that, it doesn't matter what else you bring to the party.

And the one thing you never, ever do is talk about this stuff. It's closely connected to a lot of very important, unspoken rules about human interaction that govern everything, but that nobody talks about. The right response to disloyalty isn't confrontation or discussion, it's distance. Have a lot to offer, be aware of it, use it, but never talk about it.

This book taught me a lot: https://www.amazon.com/Thick-Face-Black-Heart-Philosophy-ebook/dp/B0033WPCRI

drago8452 · 2019-05-04T04:30:30+00:00

Why was the post removed? Lots of great responses.

FirmFirefighter · 2019-05-03T16:56:01+00:00

gradually make new friends. Not everybody is the same.

Title	How many of you have lost 90-99% of faith in humanity? I literally don't trust anyone anymore.
Author	Chris_P_Bacon_Jr
Upvotes	422
Comments	133
Date	May 3, 2019 1:52 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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