shit-test realizations for beginners from a recovering BP

MattyAnon · 2018-06-23T14:59:05+00:00

Her: "Wanna see Star Wars?"

You have to be aware of this dynamic with women. With men it means "I want to, do you want to too?" With women it means literally "Do you want to see star wars with me, but I am not committing to wanting to see it with you". You also get it with "are you horny?"... you say yes, and then she says she isn't. It's a validation trap.

They won't be vulnerable in terms of expressing a preference first, but will bait you into it. Sometimes it's validation seeking, but sometimes it is genuine interest in a way that avoids her being vulnerable.

The solution is simple: fall for it (while leading).

More positively: escalate to find out. For example: "Yeah, I wanna see Star Wars... let's go Monday".

If she then says something that implies "I am glad you want me, but I don't want you" then you ditch her like a hot rock.

If she was genuinely interested she'll go. If she's validation seeking then she won't and ...... next.

You filter women for interest quickly and efficiently by escalating.

geekington · 2018-06-23T15:03:55+00:00

You’re starting to get the high level view of the game. It is all just a game. Play to win and play to have fun. Once you start getting the hang of it you’ll enjoy strong clever opponents.

Her submission is much more gratifying when you beat her fair and square and she knows it. You must realize that she wants you to win if she feels any level of attraction to you. Mind you not everyone will be attracted to you as well. You’ll learn to recognize when to nope out.

The next phase is realizing “everything is a test but not everything is a test” You have to learn when to dial back jerkboy shittest smashing and when to ramp it back up. There will be pockets in the seduction phase where it’s not powertalk or shittests and they’re legit questions. You want to answer these keeping mystery about yourself but this is where you can connect on a human level. If you’re 100% fuckboy vibe you might get the ONS but you won’t get repeat business from her. Gotta toss in some comfort so she feels both safe from that and willing to follow your lead from being a man in charge. That’s where you hook them.

Final thought is that it’s good to recognize your Ls and introspect on what you did wrong. Take the lesson to heart then move on. Don’t agonize or beat yourself up. We make mistakes, we learn and go on with our lives.

Ganadorf · 2018-06-23T15:07:42+00:00

Many men fail shit tests because we are naturally wired to over-think and spit out logical conclusions. Yet we, the individuals on this board, have to over-think shit tests even more albeit at a different angle to game the system women have naturally created. Only once you've thought yourself to death over these interactions will you learn that not giving a fuck in the first place arguably gives the best results. Curious, isn't it?

woodie_wood · 2018-06-23T14:58:11+00:00

Hindsight is 20/20. Shit tests are subtle communication from women that passively get them the answers they want without exactly asking the questions. Women cannot take rejection.

Agree and amplify. All u need to know when it comes to shit tests. Don’t take it so seriously bro. They can smell that like 3 day unwashed cooch in the dessert.

Were u staring at my ass? Yes I was it’s completely blocking my view.

Do u really wanna watch Star Wars or just get laid? Be true to yourself and your intention, in other words maintain your frame.

wiffofass · 2018-06-23T16:34:34+00:00

Me: "No! No, I was just pointing that out cause it looked odd." (rushes away)

Damn, that's painful to read

JaspersChest · 2018-06-23T15:54:55+00:00

What the heck, I now realize that this is what my ex gf did to me a month ago. She texted out of nowhere and asked if I wanted to go to Six Flags with her on their school trip, I said I'd like to and after that, she wasn't so enthusiastic about me going. Found out later that she couldn't bring a guest with her, she really didn't seem to mind. She already got what she wanted 😐

askmeanything2 · 2018-06-23T19:02:27+00:00

Excellent thread and comments, thanks everyone, three additional things

Communication is mostly not about the words, and at work careful with the words, so:

"Are you looking at my butt?"

"No, I would never, ever, ever, do that" (said in a playful, fun tone, making an eye contact if possible, to indicate you are lying through your teeth)

Validation seeking: use pressure flips

"Wanna see Star Wars?"

"You can only go if you pass my Stars Wars trivial test, and, just warning you, the last three failed as its not trivial"

Most of all, have fun with shit tests, even if you fail if you had a blast doing so who gives a fuck

Robin2Fast2Furious · 2018-06-23T15:05:23+00:00

Great story and advice btw.

I would have been oblivious and still not cared if she wanted to see a movie or not. If I want to see a damn new movie, I will see it. If she joins, great. If not, I’m still seeing that movie.

varlogmessages · Sat Jun 23 17:31:41 2018 UTC

Any bitch that needs that much validation should be a girl you keep on the bench and only engage when all other options are exhausted.

FlamingAmmosexual · 2018-06-23T15:16:56+00:00

You looking at my butt?
It's hard to miss with the wide load sticker on the back of it.

yummyluckycharms · 2018-06-23T18:19:33+00:00

Some of you guys are missing an important golden opportunity with a shit test - you can always reverse shit test her to see what her intentions are

Example:

Her: do you want to go see Star wars with me?

You: depends. I was going to go with a group of guys that I know from work that are really into it, but whats in it for me if I go with you?

Her response A: oh thats okay - just go with them

Her Response B: If you go with me, I'll pick up the tickets and maybe you can pick up the drinks before hand?

If a woman wants you, she wont make it hard for you - nor will she pass up an opportunity to hang out with you alone. From Response A, maybe she liked you or not, but clearly not enough to offer something for your time in exchange. Such low commitment also means high probability of flaking. Screens her out immediately.

Response B is much more promising - not only because it shows her willingness to invest, but also when drinks are involved, she's starting herself on the path to letting her inhibitions go.

In either case, the reverse shit test is an effective screening tool that cant be ignored for men who have a shortage of time

fartingaround · 2018-06-23T15:58:13+00:00

I had a similar situation with a girl (who says her bf tracks her phone). She said "lets smoke a blunt and watch the incredibles 2" i said "wont ur bf track u down and beat ur ass tho?" Im prtty sure i fucked up tho lol cuz she hasnt hmu since except to send memes

Entropy-7 · 2018-06-23T15:48:00+00:00

I love the term "Amused Mastery" but it is so difficult to define and so hard to lock down and so hard emulate. I can do it and have done it but context is everything.

Sumshot · 2018-06-23T20:14:48+00:00

Why did you even say

> Me: "Lol again?"

I mean, you wanted to go a fifth time with her anyways right? In that case, just suggest a time that fits for you. She either goes with that or makes a counter suggestion which you (after some time to "check" if you are free) can agree with or not. Everything else means you can forget about her.

If you are reacting like you did, it can mean two things:

I already watched it 4 times, why would I watch it again?
I didn't watch it 4 times but I forget about that or don't want to watch it so often anymore and my facebook posting was kind of wrong/lie/stupid/inconsistent

In case #2 you have just invalidated the reason she even talked to you. It's maybe not really the case but she could claim and you have no argument against it.

In case #1 you force her to offer you something to watch it with her because you don't want to watch it more than 4 times. Most girls don't want to do that. And if you don't force her to offer something, you are in the same moment validating her so hard, as it means like "I don't want to watch the movie but I will go because YOU are with me". It's obvious that this is a really bad idea, right?

So in my eyes that is not a shit test but rather a consistency/saneness test and you created the situation for her to test you by yourself.

charbel97 · 2018-06-23T14:58:19+00:00

And what's the solution to this if you really want to hang out with this woman ?

EthiopianNutella · 2018-06-23T18:01:31+00:00

are shit tests done intentionally?

zyqkvx · 2018-06-23T22:37:43+00:00

Ok, the shit test is..

her: Want to see star wars?

You know it's a validation trap, which means there's a good chance she already knows she's not interesting.

So, point blank, fellows: What are some experimental shit test replies that might turn the situation around.

My offered response is: "I don't know, you seem like your flakey with your friends"

[deleted] · 2018-06-23T16:33:13+00:00

Yes...

This is super common.

SMRII · 2018-06-23T22:34:04+00:00

Why would anyone listen to someone who likes The Last Jedi? That movie Is a BP wet dream

TheMoreYouKnowRight · 2018-06-23T23:58:36+00:00

I have been thinking about this lately. But i couldn't specify and put it in words. Thank you for doing that!

Belluz · Sat Jun 23 16:30:08 2018 UTC

This sub is becoming a cult

wanker7171 · 2018-06-23T19:06:41+00:00

This is why I struggle with women and this is why I pay escorts for sex rather than gaming girls.

It is hard enough for normal people to understand shit-tests so try being someone with autism (diagnosed, from 4 years old) who is intelligent enough to doubt his own interpretation... it is just impossible. I like things black or white. On or off. 1 or 0. Not somewhere in the middle of a shit test.

The problem is women sit there and say "no means no" but it seems like they want no to mean yes when it comes to interpersonal dynamics. If they are attracted to you ofcourse. If not its sexual harrasment. How do you find out if they are attracted to you? By "harrassing them"... :headagainstbrickwall:

TRPnab · 2018-06-23T15:08:12+00:00

There was a good thread somewhere (I think by impala) about text game. Where you reply with fuck yeah an emoji would have been neat, baiting her to invest more time in ascertaining your opinion. If she doesn't reply, she's not interested and you haven't invested more than her. You replied enthusiastically and with twice as much as she had.

beetle-eetle · 2018-06-23T21:45:46+00:00

My initial reaction to the ass comment:

Walk up in front of her so she can see your face

"I suppose I'll let you look at mine so it'll be even."

Said with a semi serious tone and exaggerated facial features.

extreme_aardvark · 2018-06-23T16:02:46+00:00

“Are you looking at my butt?”

“Yes. (shit eating grin) You should leave that in your pocket so I can keep looking.”

Is that a good response??

zyqkvx · 2018-06-23T22:31:04+00:00

(this started as a reply and ended an exploratory mini rant)

Since women are largely socially welcome moochers they don't have a lot of the powers men do, they do have some great powers like saying 'no'. Women will test the grounds by making validation traps. They are testing to see who they can get. They catch and release. Their release looks like, "I might be seeing disaster artist today." Now she knows she can get a 20 year old of his type, so she moves on to see what else she can catch and release. Women have many mechanisms like this that most guys are completely clueless to. I can't say I've transcended that category. I've figured out several of them, but for some reason I can't retain the stuff I figure out for more than a few months when it's of this nature. I still understand but have trouble codifying.

You filter women for interest quickly and efficiently by escalating.

gem.

Also, pulling her down when she's trying to climb on to the pedestal.

her: Want to see star wars?

me: I don't know, you seem like your flakey with your friends.

her: <who knows, maybe she will start chasing you or defending herself, or maybe she'll just get mad and leave. It doesn't matter>

WalterEArmstrong · 2018-06-23T23:18:27+00:00

Me: "Hey you have something sticking out of your back pocket."

Her: (looks seductively at me over her shoulder) "Are you looking at my butt?"

Your Gawdammed RIGHT I was!

FOODYUMONION · 2018-06-24T01:06:57+00:00

This seems to be an advanced shit-test or shit-test from girls who believe their SMV is a lot higher than yours. Probably need to run some qualifying to boost your SMV

macheagle · 2018-06-24T03:37:00+00:00

Many thanks for this, OP! You have definitely helped me recognized some of the shit tests that I’ve encountered in the past, as well as some that I did not know (until after your post) were actually shit tests. Good stuff. Thanks bro.

hotlinedubai · 2018-06-24T07:55:25+00:00

reading this helped me understand why I'm NOT getting laid. Thanks!

TheRoyalDonkey · 2018-06-24T09:10:46+00:00

Haha what chumps you guys are .

djh860 · 2018-06-24T12:39:44+00:00

For shit test one:

When a woman says something to me that catches me off guard I always look her right in the eye for more than a blink to get a quick read.

kyzen142 · 2018-06-24T15:46:31+00:00

Damn that was a very interesting read.

zyqkvx · 2018-06-23T21:41:07+00:00

This is an insightful post coming from who I perceive to be a 20 year old, smoking dope no doubt.

jobbbbinandjabbim · 2018-06-23T18:40:47+00:00

Thanks for reminding me how much better I am in all facets of life than you

Title	shit-test realizations for beginners from a recovering BP
Author	wanker7171
Upvotes	346
Comments	124
Date	June 23, 2018 1:37 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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