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"Man cannot remake himself without suffering, for he is both the marble and the sculptor."

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t's night time, cold, the dark clouds block out any source of light in the night sky. It's raining lightly, your hair and face are getting wet along with your clothes, but you don't give a shit do you?

No, you're still going to go run, every thought, every worry, every moment disappears when you slip on your headphones and you step on the track. Each step you're further away from your starting point, every breath you're a little more tired, you could've stayed in. You could've sat home, and watched a movie or played a video game, jerked off, or maybe even thought about messaging that cute girl you know of right?

But you didn't, cause you don't give a shit.

You haven't ran a complete mile in years. Now all the sudden it's like you've fucking sucker punched all your systems awake, a years worth of smoking has your lungs fucking begging you to stop. But fuck what your lungs want. You tore your ACL recently, your legs tell your brain that you aren't ready for this yet, but fuck that, you've just completed a lap, you're gonna keep going.

As you past your starting point for the first time, parts of your brain that you've fed counterfeit dopamine from jerking off, or eating sweets, or doing drugs, they start to tell you that you should stop, just go home they say, your body screams in unison with this thought. There's something small though..something untouched by all the toxic shit, maybe it's your soul, maybe it's your fucking manhood, but it screams out louder then anything else, FUCK NO it says, and your body listens.

You're at over half a mile now, just two more fucking laps, somethings happening, you almost feel different. Your whole brain starts pushing your body. Faster it says, and faster you go, just another lap, you're almost there, just one more lap. You're in a dead sprint now. You're pushing your whole body to its very fucking limits now, just a few more yards. You finish, you're out of breath, your body hurts, but you fucking finished.

You smile in between breaths for air, then puke fucking every where. You wipe your mouth off, and promise you'll be back tomorrow for another ass kicking.

When you start something, it will definitely kick your ass, but you keep going, cause after so many ass kickings it doesn't hurt so bad, and then you start fighting back. This is the nature of progression and becoming a master of something. Don't quit. Keep fucking going, put down the sweets, pick up Dumbbells, don't listen to your body, it doesn't know shit, it's used to a comfortable life style.


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Title "Man cannot remake himself without suffering, for he is both the marble and the sculptor."
Author Drewtothesky
Upvotes 739
Comments 79
Date 08 November 2016 02:06 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]BlvckGod66685 points86 points  (15 children) | Copy

Shit man I was just about to break No Fap November .

Fvck porn.

Time to hit these dumb bells hard til my arms are too tired to wank it.

[–]OptiLaSeR30 points31 points  (2 children) | Copy

This was me last night. After my workout and music production, my brain was telling me to jerk off. I was literally too tired to even do it and went to sleep after completing some tracks.

[–]vagbutters14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy

You can always tell a guy who lifts properly from one who doesn't (or at all) because the guys who do their best at the gym are usually dead tired come night time. I'm literally too tired to fuck after a day of studying/working/working out.

No wonder beta males masturbate all the time. Lots of free time and unused energy from being a lazy sloth all day.

[–]BlvckGod6663 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is a good point.

By default of carrying out self improving tasks consistently one would be too tired or drained to do beta shit like wacking off.

So push yourself to the limit daily on achieving your goals and improving and one wouldn't even think about jerking off.

Replacing one habit with another essentially.

[–]vagbutters2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Exactly-- you shouldn't even have to think about it. When you're too busy or fatigued from good habits to relapse into the bad, you're probably doing things right.

[–]Air4ce10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I always hated when people posted on Facebook "I can't sleep". Do you think the carpenter that is working 10 hours a day can't sleep?

One good thing is that my sex drive goes up when I lift, but I'm usually passed out within seconds after we have sex.

[–]Luckyluke233 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

curls for the girls am i right?

[–]DodgedAFew0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

What's the prize though? Is it worth it? Why not put yourself before other peoples' expectation?

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

His prize is not fooling himself with an undeserved dopamine rush and getting better arms so that when he sees the mirror he can appreciate those guns.

[–]BlvckGod6665 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Correct my G. If I can't game a girl I'll buy an escort. No fake dopamine for me.

And that was a very epic workout I did last night to resist my urges. Still feeling the muscle fatigue.

Men are forged in fire. Through pain we are alive. The beta within me will not win this battle.

Excuse me now while I go read 33 Strategies Of War and then proceed to close a new client at 4pm.

Monk Mode bitches

[–]kimohno5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Monk mode and you spend your time bragging on reddit. Yeah right

[–]BlvckGod66610 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Monk Mode includes abstinence from TRP?

I come here to see what the community is up to so I can be inspired by your stories and stay on track.

But here is some more bragging my G. Fresh in from a great meeting. I just closed that client I mentioned earlier. #ThankYouRP

[–][deleted] 12 points12 points | Copy

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[–]Docbear647 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

This explains sooo fucking much . I have met countless people men , women , so many people who don't enjoy sex the way I do . It never occurred to me that people just fucking go through the motions of sex .. because...well because that seems idiotic to me but this explains the terrible partners I have had , the praise I've gotten from some partners, and the grievances I've heard from others. I wouldn't call sex hard work but of course it's effort, I'm shocked someone would expect it not to be, especially when I think it's effort that can be extremely pleasurable for two partners who are both working together.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Men should always keep a small part of themselves in Monkmode. Its the constant push to self-improvement that not only yields results, but gives one an inner peace that you can't possibly "get" from anyone else.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (15 children) | Copy

Wow this is some deep sh*t, where'd you get this from?

[–][deleted] 64 points65 points  (14 children) | Copy

Short answer: I went for a run tonight and came back a new man.

Long answer: I'm currently in monk mode, and I plan on putting out a piece tomorrow on weight lifting, and then giving a field report in about a month on everything and telling my story of how this subreddit and this ideology has changed my life! If ya want more stay tuned!

[–]Endorsed Contributorvandaalen21 points22 points  (10 children) | Copy

Please use reddit's formatting features then in order to make reading more enjoyable. If it is of the same quality as this post it is worth investing the relatively small amount of effort.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

I'm on mobile so that's why this looks like it does and also why it doesn't have a flair.

[–]Docbear643 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's just constructive criticism mi amigo , It's a fantastic post . you must have spent some time finding the right words so it's just a note to next time put in the extra 10 minutes it takes to format this correctly . For your readers sure but for you as well you were able to explain being in an intimate and powerful experience, on a spectacular post it's just one more thing to make it even better.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Any guidelines for how to type up my next post the right way?

[–]Docbear642 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

just take the suggestions these dudes are offering . Your content is good, I love your tone and vocabulary. You can look up the reddit editing / formatting code and even just basic indentations would help a ton . It's not unreadable by any means , it's just a text block . breaking out sections such as the hesitation before working out , the workout itself, and then that blissful recovery period is a good place to start . Kind of like telling any sort of story , have a beginning , middle, and end . It just makes it easier to digest and if there is a quote someone likes it becomes easier to find / look for

[–]DigitallyDisrupt1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Type up in Google docs, format for readability, and spelling, cut and paste.

[–]justinsayin1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Even on mobile, putting in two line breaks is easy and will make paragraphs.

[–]RedDeadCred-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why would you write a post telling people how to lift when you can't run a mile without puking?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Acl got torn this summer playing football, used to be able to run a mile in 6 mins. This is about me getting back to the top of where I was, go further, and trying to motivate people to do the same and go further.

[–]mdcrubengonza16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is, in a nutshell, what it is to be a man. From both a practical and conceptual example, man must learn to endure discomfort. On the former, exercise like you described is an excellent tool for better health. On the latter, it is represented in the most famous tale, that of a individual who endured hours of torture without complaint with the intention to free all of humanity from eternal damnation.

Sure, the validity of the story of Jesus can be disputed, but it must be recognized, his stoic behavior was memorialized as an example of the ideal mindset for a man.

[–]useyourmouth3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

The world promises you comfort, but you were not made for comfort. You were made for greatness. — Pope Benedict XVI

[–]mdcrubengonza2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just posted that on Facebook. Beautiful.

[–]The_Red_Paw5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

"All life is pain.

Only death is painless.

The more pain you feel

The more alive you are."

           -me, working out 

[–]Eyeswears-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Pointless suffering isn't good for anyone.

[–]greatslyfer4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

Ok great poetry man but now the hard part is yet to arrive and you know what that is?

Staying consistent.

You did well this session, but can you always bring that type of resilience and drive in every session?
It's easy to smash it once, but can you always push your self to deliver every time?

That, imo, is the one point you should focus on.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's the plan, you can't build a great temple by throwing down a layer of bricks and then fucking off and doing something else while the foundation gets worn down.

[–]Docbear645 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fantastic Post, I feel like i'm losing my mind but there is such a strong happiness that ripples through me as I finish my final rep . Panting , tired, swearing and thanking God at the same time , a strong mix of emotions but there is just something so powerful about powering through a workout and as you said when your body is trying to tell you to stay comfortable going forward anyway because you want to be better instead.

[–]jconway20 4 points4 points [recovered] | Copy

http://i.imgur.com/qF4rp6S.jpg

Saw this quote awhile back and it always stuck with me. I was hesitant to get a tattoo, but I'm glad I did. I used to be a scrawny blue pilled loser until I found this place. Started lifting and got a good job as a system engineer and this tattoo is a reminder of what it takes to get the things you want most in life.

[–]rp_newdawn1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Respect the hard work brotha. What's the tat say

[–]romantictheory0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It is the quote in the post's title.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Staying up tonight to read "As a Man Thinketh" and "The Power of Positive Thinking."

Man is made and unmade by himself

Relevant to your piece.

Suffering is always the effect of wrong thought in some direction. It is an indication that the individual is out of harmony with himself, with the Law of his being. The sole and supreme use of suffering is to purify, to burn out all that is useless and impure.

Upon reflection - you've found your run, lifting, etc. necessary. It is aligning forces within you.

He who would accomplish little must sacrifice little; he who would achieve much must sacrifice much; he who would attain highly must sacrifice greatly.

Relevant to your piece

MAN’S mind may be likened to a garden, which may be intelligently cultivated or allowed to run wild; but whether cultivated or neglected, it must, and will, bring forth.

"It must, and will, bring forth" is one of the most powerful things I've ever read. Life is happening, right now. Tomorrow is happening no matter what. Whether you're working on yourself or wrecking yourself, you can't avoid the consequences of either.

“He should make this purpose his supreme duty, and should devote himself to its attainment, not allowing his thoughts to wander away into ephemeral fancies, longings, and imaginings.”

Ah - sweet, sweet monk mode.

He who has conquered weakness, and has put away all selfish thoughts, belongs neither to oppressor nor oppressed. He is free.

Oh damn.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Love this. You're not living if you're not hurting. You have an eternity to rest.

[–]hesalop2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fantastic post. I wish there was a sub just for redpill motivational stuff like this.

[–]TheRedINTP2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy

There's something small though..something untouched by all the toxic shit, maybe it's your soul, maybe it's your fucking manhood, but it screams out louder then anything else, FUCK NO it says, and your body listens.

How do you think you stay in contact with this voice?

[–]JustDoMeee2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Meditation can help, when you're relaxed and aware you tend to follow the voice that's most true to you and be aware of the voices that aren't without judgement.

[–]TheRedINTP0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I've been practicing Vipassana Meditation two hours a day since August. The practice is to sit for an hour without opening your legs, hands, or eyes after you start and feeling the sensations on the body. I find that I usually have more ego than when I started because the discomfort sort of pushed me into it. The same for after my work outs.

[–]JustDoMeee0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't see how that works and what benefits could be derived from it, as you're not actively being mindful, controlling your minds chatter and are not being aware of things.

I suggest trying a different route, a route that was really useful to me, recommended by another user on TRP, is by downloading 'Headspace' app, use it everyday.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't know how it is for you, but for me, that voice is always there, but it's always the quietest voice in my head, you know the guilt you feel after jerking off, for me that's that voice, whenever I am wasting time instead of doing what I should, it's that voice that makes me feel bad about. It's just a matter of listening to the small voice in your head going " hey you lazy fuck go work out!" Instead of the much louder much more charismatic voice that says "you're tired, you deserve to sit on your ass and do nothing"

[–]LazyMagus2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Everyone says this is a beautiful post to read, but I hate reading a wall. Since OP hasn't edited it yet, I am putting in paragraphs for you:


It's night time, cold, the dark clouds block out any source of light in the night sky. It's raining lightly, your hair and face are getting wet along with your clothes, but you don't give a shit do you?

No, you're still going to go run, every thought, every worry, every moment disappears when you slip on your headphones and you step on the track. Each step you're further away from your starting point, every breath you're a little more tired, you could've stayed in. You could've sat home, and watched a movie or played a video game, jerked off, or maybe even thought about messaging that cute girl you know of right?

But you didn't, cause you don't give a shit.

You haven't ran a complete mile in years. Now all the sudden it's like you've fucking sucker punched all your systems awake, a years worth of smoking has your lungs fucking begging you to stop. But fuck what your lungs want. You tore your ACL recently, your legs tell your brain that you aren't ready for this yet, but fuck that, you've just completed a lap, you're gonna keep going.

As you past your starting point for the first time, parts of your brain that you've fed counterfeit dopamine from jerking off, or eating sweets, or doing drugs, they start to tell you that you should stop, just go home they say, your body screams in unison with this thought. There's something small though..something untouched by all the toxic shit, maybe it's your soul, maybe it's your fucking manhood, but it screams out louder then anything else, FUCK NO it says, and your body listens.

You're at over half a mile now, just two more fucking laps, somethings happening, you almost feel different. Your whole brain starts pushing your body. Faster it says, and faster you go, just another lap, you're almost there, just one more lap. You're in a dead sprint now. You're pushing your whole body to its very fucking limits now, just a few more yards. You finish, you're out of breath, your body hurts, but you fucking finished.

You smile in between breaths for air, then puke fucking every where. You wipe your mouth off, and promise you'll be back tomorrow for another ass kicking.

When you start something, it will definitely kick your ass, but you keep going, cause after so many ass kickings it doesn't hurt so bad, and then you start fighting back. This is the nature of progression and becoming a master of something. Don't quit. Keep fucking going, put down the sweets, pick up Dumbbells, don't listen to your body, it doesn't know shit, it's used to a comfortable life style.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks for all your hard work! 😘

[–]mnwushu891 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Have this quote along with a picture to represent it as a tattoo. To remind myself this daily.

Solid post

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Needed that. Suffer. Fuck comfort. Fuck reaching out. Eat that shit. Gotta tell somebody? Tell it to the weights. Tell it to the track. Words are for talkers.

[–]333nuc1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fun unrelated fact: Mark Rippetoe has no ACL in his left knee. Not even a reconstructed one.

[–]FractalFactorial1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nice and theatrical. But on a serious note, DO listen to your body and know your limits. Its not manly to tear a muscle and then be out of the gym for months.

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Most people I know and have met in life didn't suffer that much. That's not to say they don't face their own difficulties, but they had it pretty good otherwise. Honestly it's a decent life to have. Compared to them I really got the stick and I will be lying if I said that my life didn't suffer as a consequence. There are multiple things I missed out on or lost because of it. Learning how to have a long term relationship for one.

Other than that the differences in mentalities and attributes are night and day compared to them and me. I fully understand the reasoning behind hard-knock society's like the Spartan agoge. Suffering and challenges truly create a different type of human.

For one you learn how to adapt quickly, you embrace challenges and competition, you don't give up quickly, less prone to emotions and so on. Just to name a few traits you will only see in hardened people.

Suffering can translate into various different ways but the common theme is that no matter in what capacity you suffer, everything bottles down to a test. If you pass the test you develop more than the untested.

Just don't expect some karma-ish justice for those who had it easy. Generally the more fortunate live pretty content lives even if they are plugged in. Safe from the occasional break down they continue to operate the same. You might have allot of skills and potential after surviving a rough childhood. But this won't make adult life suddenly flip around for you.

I know ultimate BetaCucks that have had a steady girlfriend since the age of 16 and generally never got punished for it. Sure their girlfriend settled for them and they aren't having mind bending sex. But they are content none the less. While I know A-type Chads that didn't get a relationship to work, ever and go from meaningless fling to fling that's littered with shit tests.

Sometimes those who have it easy simply have it easy

It's up to you to ascend beyond that envy and prize the virtue you've earned as worthwhile.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Those who were born in darkness and all they know is darkness, will never be unsatisfied with darkness. Those who were born in darkness and saw the light, will crawl, and claw their way to the light. If their content with being average, then that's good for them, more power to you, but if your like me, and every time you take a rep off, or you take the easy route, and it kills you a little on the inside, then average is not okay. I think if at any point in your life your content with what you have your are blind, because you can always have more, don't let greed over power you and make you blind as well, but certainly I think, you should never lose the hustle and drive that's brought you to were you are now.

[–]1PantsonFire12341 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Like I said it pays to have been challenged by adversity in life, the more the better. I know exactly what you mean when you say that average or second place just isn't enough. There's only one place and that's first place.

But my point was that there are about 99% of people who can't relate to this because they've been cuddled by their parents since birth. Life never threw them a curve ball and if they stay lucky, it never will.

These people will generally still remain relatively happy with their life and the odds are that some of them might even enjoy it more than someone who's used to nothing but fighting. I think we find our salvation in the person we become, not the life we end up living. Use it for something good.

[–]verify_account 2 points2 points [recovered] | Copy

Great expect cardio kills gains. Shoo shoo gains goblin.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Constant cardio kills gains, working both together, is beneficial. Lifting weights faster is a type of cardio, jump rope is cardio, not all cardio is all bad. Running marathons tho, that will kill gains.

[–]drqxx1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This quote alone.

Helped to rebuild me after my divorce.

[–]haxurmind1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

His and hers came to mind from the title of your post.

[–]RPFlame1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

As you past your starting point for the first time, parts of your brain that you've fed counterfeit dopamine

Love that term. It emphasizes the fact that your excitement does not translate in the physical world.

[–]Docbear641 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great Job on the edits dude, small changes I know , and it may come across as annoying nit-picking but Good shit like this deserves that level of attention . Once again a great post. One I am saving and I'm sure many others will too .

[–]Run_Che1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

There's something small though..something untouched by all the toxic shit, maybe it's your soul, maybe it's your fucking manhood, but it screams out louder then anything else, FUCK NO it says, and your body listens.

Fuck yes, I needed to read this to relate to that currently whispering voice. It needs to be fed so it can get louder and louder till I can hear nothing else.

[–]Gelu_sf0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I will just add this image over here since it fits the topic.

http://imgur.com/nJCja2J

Now you can break your nofap to actual visuals

[–]PawnToKing0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Could've just done weight training much better for transforming a body, weight-loss, takes less time, doesn't suck like cardio.

[–]1empatheticapathetic5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

suck like cardio

Missing the point there a bit

[–]PawnToKing-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

You're probably right. I just mean to say that life doesn't have to be a motivational video with Stallone yelling at you to 'keep moving forward.' you can always work smarter and get better results.

[–]1empatheticapathetic4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yeah totally. But depends on his goal. I'm pretty strong but my cardio health has always been dog shit, same with my family. So doing cardio is beneficial to just being healthy for me. Perhaps that's his goal too opposed to body transformation.

[–]PawnToKing0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Fair enough. Although I would personally say sprints are more beneficial than LISS cardio, since they're anabolic, don't take as long, and the effects last longer throughout your rest.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I understand your point, I do both weight lifting and running. I think both are great for you. But here is something to think about. When a man sets out to climb Everest, you think he is doing it because it's easy? No. He's doing it because it's a challenge. I'm running for me because it's most certainly a challenge, I love the feeling of the odds being against me, nothing's ever motivates me more then everything around me going "you can't do that"

[–]PawnToKing1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I guess that's why I'm not a mountain climber.

[–]_fitlegit-5 points-4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Please don't take try to co opt this quote for your pathetic "boo hoo girls don't like me so they're inferior beings" club

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

When did I ever say that a girl was inferior in my post?

[–]newName5434560 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Looks like that person was projecting...



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