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We are living proof of it. The whole reason the post was made in the first place was to challenge the social norm of humanity. The person wants men to be more attractive than the women. That’s the whole point they’re challenging the social behaviors of humans since humans came into this world. If humans acted differently thousands of years ago we might not have populated the earth as much as we did and we could have gone extinct. Women were made to be more attractive in order to have children populate the world. Some scientists actually studied that a reason why big breasts can be attractive is because subconsciously for thousands of years has been a sign of good fertility to men since the beginning. You has also been a sign of attractiveness because of fertility and it exists to this day that’s why a lot of guys like younger women. Through the psychology and anthropology studies of ACTUAL humans through evolution shows this is true.

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You tried to compare birds to humans when it comes to dating. You’re argument from the beginning wasn’t intelligent lol. Comparing what animals do for mating and saying we should do that and actually thinking it would work for humans is insane. You just can’t accept the social culture of humans that have been around for centuries. That’s why you wanna use animals as an example. You can’t accept human nature and you constantly wanna challenge it. Challenging human nature is a loosing battle. Instead of looking at animals look at actual research on human evolution. I’m not a teenager I’m in college. I don’t even think biologists would think that just because animals do something and it works for that means we should do it. Wtf? If you wanna behave like a bird go to the woods and live like a bird lols. I’m done. I can’t believe you actually think your argument was intelligent.

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You literally posted a journal article that described mating behaviour of birds after I mentioned it. Yet you are acting like it was absurd that I mentioned animals in a debate about biology and mating. Maybe go read the article you posted, it discusses animals multiple times and you were trying to use that opinion piece as a reference. Now you are saying you must only focus on human evolution without looking to other models? You're clearly not doing a research or science degree, and clearly not reading the articles you post. This is so ironic. And in college, what are you, like 2 years older than a teenager? That's practically the same age to us oLd PeOpLe. That's pretty hilarious that you criticise discussing birds, then post an article that discussed birds and animals, then claim animals shouldn't be discussed when talking about biology or evolution of humans, then you call me immature and say I lack common sense. I mean, really? Reeeeally?

You also have no idea what my actual view is either.

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It's irrelevant to the point I'm making. It. Discussed. Birds. Did I say it ONLY discussed birds? No. The point is that you thought it was ludicrous to discuss animal models, yet you post articles that contain them. That is highly contradictory.

You can't expect to make wildly contradictory statements and not have the person you're debating pick up on that. You were trying to invalidate a point I mentioned by saying animal models are irrelevant, which are frequently included in research of human beings including for psychological or evolutionary concepts. You focused so much on trying to invalidate my comment by focusing on birds, then you go and link an article that SPECIFICALLY discussed birds. Now you are implying that's fine because it wasn't all that was discussed. Well it's not all I've discussed either. Your conclusions are very erratic and you don't seem to be able to keep track of what's discussed which would get you ripped to shreds in a debate or in court. And commenting on people's ages or laughing and saying they lack common sense when you have not adequately substantiated anything will not get you anywhere in the real world.

You are so focused on ego and being correct which is driven by your emotions. I have no solidified opinion on the topic whatsoever. It's.. a debate sub.

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You're the only one who's assuming things. You're not even communicating effectively and have used some kind of selective blindness to ignore the fact that I just typed that I have NO STRONG OPINION ON THE TOPIC. You're talking at me like you think I'm as passionate as you are about it. I've only picked apart things you actually posted and you are incapable of debating.

I never said birds are humans. I never implied data can be extrapolated directly from birds to humans. Neither did the author of the article you posted. In both situations, it was a part of discussion about evolution and biology. Yet you can't tolerate it from myself, while you use an article where the author dud the exact same thing. Why are you not criticizing the author's use of animal models in that case?

You keep trying to refer to my beliefs which you have assumed in your mind. I never, not once, stated that I believe men are more attractive. But that flew right over your head.

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I wasn't talking about trials using animals. I am talking about the discussion of animals in relation to human evolution which is commonly compared in literature, as you've seen by the article you yourself posted.

Show me where I literally stated that we should abandon human nature or gave a strong description of my belief of human nature in regard to this topic. Literally means it was written. Copy paste anything I said that even slightly implied that. It's not there. I debated you and posed questions to you, and you can't comprehend it because you can't debate.

You're still insisting that I have a wildly different opinion to you as if this is a fight. You still are unaware of my personal viewpoint. You focused on semantics then got frustrated when I focused on those same semantics. You can't debate. You can't follow my lead with any insightful responses or creative rebuttles and you can't create your own lead with anything that makes sense. It reflects how a person will converse in other arenas, their wit or lack of, and their ability to pick up on patterns in any intelligent way. I mean I practically gave you a bunch of weak spots that you could pounce on with ease but you don't have it. You prefer to type lol and say stuffs stupid. Well I gave you a chance.

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There isn't any slight implication there that I believe birds and animals are identical, or that we should "abandon human nature" as you said.

That is a question. See the question mark at the end?

A question is not a statement.

Did I say what I personally believe? No. Did I say birds and humans are the same? No. Did I say that we should "abandon human nature? No.

However, you do realise a lot of things that are considered highly immoral or illegal have been a part of human nature, don't you? But I won't go in that direction when you can't keep up with this one.

The person I was replying to said they couldn't understand why males would need to be more attractive if they do the chasing. I posed a question which used mating techniques and biology of animals to help a person understand why that could be the case, as many male animals who pursue the female are also more attractive in colour vibrancy and other features... which AGAIN, was discussed in the article you posted. It was a valid question that any intelligent person could use to have an interesting discussion or debate.

Does that make any sense for you yet?

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You know your own experiences and views which are very limited due to your age and life stage. You cannot speak for men that are 10 and 20 years older than you either. What a college guy thinks doesn't define men.

I've never been single, not since I was 16. And even before 16, I had a boyfriend from 13-15. But since 16, I haven't been single for one day. I dumped my ex husband and immediately had a far higher value man waiting for me who I am now engaged to and have been with for years. So if FDS is so terrible, why am I not a single incel? Why did the quality of my life partner dramatically increase?

Would you assume my 40 something year old partner with an established career, owns his own home, lifts weights regularly, has many hobbies, eats well and can cook, keeps his living spaces clean, has a face like tom cruise 10 years ago but way taller and bigger, is a good person and respects women, turned down many women... would you assume that type of guy is just some bizarre exception or is a "simp" even though he had decided to be a bachelor and not get married before falling for me and has no issue with standing up to people and isn't passive?

You don't even know what FDS looks like in reality. Women use the sub to vent about awful past experiences of abuse because it goes hand in hand with dating for many women. They don't go on a date and vent about their history or all the guys that verbally abused them or manipulated them or raped or hit them, and how shitty a lot of guys can be.

FDS dating in reality, if done properly, looks like a nice intelligent woman who won't go home with you or let you go home with her. It will become obvious that she's not interested in hookups and that's all you will notice. If you then don't pursue her because of that, she will let you go on your merry way and not expect anything of you. If you don't act chivalrous and pay for the date or she simply isn't into your personality, doesn't feel a connection or spark, or the hundreds of reasons anyone could not be into someone, she will decline further dates if you tried to pursue. That's when you might hear things like "I wasn't feeling that kind of connection but I had a good time, thank you". And I'm talking about if you did everything RIGHT. If you were rude or trying to coerce her into anything, negged her or anything like that then she would probably just block you for good reason. FDS do not train men. We will not be their mothers or teachers. If he does things that we don't approve of, we won't hang around to lecture him into being more chivalrous or being more or less of anything. We believe men show you who they are in many subtle and obvious ways, and we are not interested in changing anyone. We are happy to swiftly weed out low value men and will do it without any fuss.

But ultimately, if you're a good person, dating a woman who uses FDS principles will just look like dating a modest woman who is more interested in getting to know somebody for a long term relationship and won't let you bed them. And at college ages, there would be women who are too young and inexperienced, or from religious backgrounds who'd naturally present in a similar way. The only difference is that FDS wonen are wise to the game and won't be coerced into anything like some inexperienced person could be. And that's why a lot of men think dating FDS women is unappealing, and why red pill types glorify dating 18 year olds even if someone's 35+, because they can't keep up with someone who's wiser and immune to manipulation. Because a lot of men try to manipulate women in ways they don't even realise because it's automatic. That will fly over the heads of way younger women in a lot of cases and they can be more easily influenced to go along with certain things in the name of being "easy going" and "reasonable".

FDS women don't take any shit but it often won't look like anything obvious. They are not going around throwing drinks at men for not paying for dinner or arguing about feminism on dates. They are observing, analysing, quietly calculating the man and the situation. If the man shows red flags and shows signs he's not her type then she will simply slip away to find something more interesting. Guys will just think oh well, no luck with that one, just like what would happen with a pickmeisha who didn't like him. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

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I completely disagree. FDS is not reality at all it’s what they want to think about reality. Seeing the absolutely obnoxious posts on there is absolutely unbelievable. The fact that you support them tells me a lot. I might be 13 years younger than you but I hangout with people that are in there thirties because I don’t usually like people my age. I’ve learned a lot from them and one of my friends on Reddit used to follow FDS and she used their tactics and completely got no results because she realized how bitchy it made her look. The reason why that advice isn’t good is because it’s too self centered. It’s just about women who expect men to treat them well but don’t really care about what they can contribute to a relationship. Men’s dating advice is all about the woman. Women’s dating advice is just boosting a woman’s ego and making it bigger. That’s a lot of these younger women can’t be in good relationships for long cause they only think about themselves and the guy to change but won’t change themselves. The whole itself is a perfect example.

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You say your for equality for all genders but you only talk about women and bash men. And instantly call someone racist or sexist just because they disagree with you. You say you want equality but don’t care about anyone else’s issues you just say you care about other people to make your movement look good. The only people that have benefited from feminism is white women like you. That’s it. I always ask feminists what feminism has done for the black community because I’m black. And they can’t answer the question because they’ve done nothing for us. Your movement constantly contradicts itself with its ideals. You say you’re tolerant but you purposely exclude people. You expect to listen to you but you don’t listen to anyone else that disagrees with you. You complain about your first world problems while there are men and women who have it way worse than an entitled fake feminist like you. Feminism hasn’t done shit for Black, Latino, Asian, Arab, Indian or any other type of people on this planet just entitled white women like you. Your constantly uses false statistics that aren’t even true. Your movement has split more apart than bring people together. People in other countries had to make their own movements because third wave feminism disregards every other groups of people except white women. It’s hard to have economic equality when people get payed an amount for different reasons. This is why your movement is toxic.

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Oh that's just too much. Gosh that's hilarious how inaccurate your assumptions are.

First off, I kicked my ex husband out because he was a wife beater and had been unemployed for FIVE years. He relied on me for 100% of his needs like a child, I was the sole bread winner and did all the housework. Once I dumped him, despite giving him money to go back to his shitty country (he was a wannabe red pill from USA), he blew the money and then found some woman to let him sleep on her couch and he got her pregnant from having sex with her once. He now has a kid to support, and he said for 10 years that he'd rather die than have kids.

So no dear, he was a broke ass red pill wannabe crying on his knees when I kicked him out. And he got even worse without me.

I then started dating my fiance once I split with my ex.

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Title	once again incels are right
Author	TotalBasturd
Upvotes	40
Comments	309
Date	May 11, 2020 6:15 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/ght1ff/once_again_incels_are_right/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/PurplePillDebate/once-again-incels-are-right.664289 https://theredarchive.com/post/664289

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