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Question: Career Decisions

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June 10, 2020

I posted this question on MRP the other day, and didn't realise this sub existed, so I'm posting it here on the referral of Horns.

To preface, I'm in this sub as a 21 year old guy because I know that the average age of users here is much older than on the main RP Subs, and since this question is one answered from experience, I feel this is the place to go for the best responses.

It is important to me that I generate a good career. Vital, even. I have recently graduated with a degree in Engineering with first class honors, and I feel I'm in a good spot. However, I've always had anxiety about having to commit to a career and choosing the right one. Please note that the fact I'm in the UK has a pretty major impact here, because salaries seem to be warped like crazy compared to the US, as I'll note below. Something else I desire in my career is to travel, but that is kinda secondary to money. What sort of positions are the guys in who are flying to Hong Kong, NYC, etc? That'd be the dream.

Firstly, my education in Engineering has lead me to the decision that I don't really want to go into design. On the AskTRP sub, people were telling me about how I should do Engineering for the money... Here you go . After 10 years experience, you're making the equivalent of 65k USD. Brilliant.

Something that does actually really appeal to me is Engineering Sales, at least on paper. I've been hanging around r/Sales recently, and people are boasting $100K+ USD Salaries by their Mid 20's, with some earning considerably more than even this. Job websites say you're starting on $60k+ USD. In the UK . I see lots of people in r/Sales also saying that they wouldn't even bother doing the job with all its stress if they were only earning $80k USD, which is slightly more than the peak salary after 10 years in the UK... I know Sales can be polarising, where you're making a lot if you're good, but if I'm only making, say, 90k (50% more than shown max, unrealisitc), would that really be worth the stress that would come with it?

Then, we have accounting. Lots of accounting firms nearby where I live, full training to chartership available through their schemes, and here not only is the average salary with Chartership £90k, that's actually the average wage, with job search sites showing a slew of positions for £90k + by your Mid 20s. Issue is, I've been told accounting is boring as fuuuuuck. Not ideal, but honestly its the only thing I've been able to find that fits. Also no travelling really.

I understand you'll be making more in all of these positions as you take on a more managerial roles as your career progresses, but I still imagine trends will hold true.

I feel like I'm well setup to go in and smash this shit out of the park, I just don't know where the hell to aim. I'm really willing to put the work in and grind my way, I'm not asking for a freebie here, but does anyone have any suggestions from their experience as to a good area to look at?

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Title Question: Career Decisions
Author Socawo
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Date 10 June 2020 05:11 PM UTC (7 months ago)
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[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

What sort of positions are the guys in who are flying to Hong Kong, NYC, etc? That'd be the dream.

You sound like a 16 year old girl here. The same job that travels in one company may not in another. Look at international companies if you want to travel, and express your willingness to travel.

You sound like you think the first choice you make is going to be the rest of your life. It rarely works out that way. Pick something and try it instead of doing mental gymnastics. I can tell you I was in sales for 20 years, and if you are engineering sales, you will make less than the main sales person who probably won’t know Jack about engineering. I sold computer equipment to large companies, and I made a boat load while the engineers did a lot of the work and got a base salary.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"11 points12 points  (28 children) | Copy

Travel the world for a year, something you'll likely never get another chance to do. It will help you reflect upon what you really want.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red5 points6 points  (12 children) | Copy

I worked my ass off from 17-35 while all my friends fucked hoes, traveled, did drugs, and collected debt.

Now at 40, I travel, do 1K a month in blow, work very little, fuck like a porn star, live at the gym and everyone else wishes they were me.


[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"8 points9 points  (10 children) | Copy

I'm not talking about dumbass debutantes on their daddy's credit cards traveling. And I'm also not talking traveling around good ol' america and all it's barbecues and waffle houses.

I'm talking about experiencing everything the big bold world and life and the whole planet has to offer during the most formative time of your life.

I also worked my ass off starting young - though fucked around like mad and did tons of drugs - wouldn't fucking touch coke now in my 40's I'd have a heart attack - besides I added deca to the mix and I may as well be 20 right now anyway.

I was also heavily in debt around 30 or so - divorcing - so a few business failures net-negatived me anyway.

Traveling the world in your 30's and 40's is great, sure.

But traveling the world at 21 - on your own or with a good friend - must be madness.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy

I know what you are talking about.

Whats your DECA stack?

I am on 300/400 Test/Tren, getting ready to swap out Tren for Deca.

Size and lifts are coming back nicely...

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy

I didn't realize you'd started back up.

200/150 Test/Deca - I'm hoping to cruise on this for a while, we'll see how bloodwork goes, main thing I worry about is IGF-1 getting too high.

Two things: (1) deca dick is real, so read up on it before you start, but (2) deca is damn near miraculous for pain, joint pain, etc. - so all the pain I had from treatments and surgeries is 100% gone which I didn't believe possible.

That's a very addictive feeling for me.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

I have ran NPP tons, which is just the sort ester version of the same.

I just get tired of pinning so much.

I do not believe you should cruise on a 19-NOR for several reasons.

I have done 26 week cycles of 19-NORS in the past, but fuck lipids.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Good to know, I'll ask my doctor about it.

I like pinning so I don't mind that.

What does a blast of either NPP or 19-NOR look like for you?

Note that it was my doctor who suggested the deca, and I readily agreed. For me it has been a really big deal.

I mean I'd had to stop the beach rides for a while - and now I'm back on 'em - sand starting today, beach back open, woohoo.

I'd switch it out to something else - anything you know of provide near the same level of pain relief?

[–]MillionaireSexbomb0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

my last deca blast was 500 t e/ 600 deca, and it was phenomenal for mass and strength. Was able to support much greater weight and it seemed my joints could keep up excellently. You’ll see a lot of variance on npp/deca at low doses but everyone responss differently and many juice heads solve things by just adding more gear which obviously isn’t ideal. Since more studies have been shared on high dosed cruises or low blasts of test as almost being capable of doing permanently as long as bloods are in range, that may be a better option for you rather than cruising on two low doses and while you can cruise solely on nand it doesn’t seem to be recommended. What do you mean when you say pain relief?

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

So I blasted a couple times 400/300 test/deca - and it was great for mass and strength - but even just cruising it's insane for pain control after 10-year cancer battle, intense treatment, a ton of surgeries, and some significant systemic damage to joints, for which I'm routinely getting more surgeries with plenty of replacements on the horizon.

The doctor suggested the deca and I'm pain-free for the first time in 10 years which is incredible; to be honest, I didn't even think possible. It's akin to what you write regarding supporting greater weight and enabling your joints to keep up.

Apparently in odd circumstances like mine it does that x10.

[–]MillionaireSexbomb0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Nandrolone is well known for its benefits in terms of joint pain. Things like masteron are on the opposite end of the spectrum. Higher E2 levels can also help a little bit. I can’t think of any other off the top of my head that would help directly with comfort. It’s probably time you look into peptides and other things that directly assist with the healing of your joints and ligaments.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

p.s. what are the "several reasons" for not cruising on 19-NOR in your opinion?

[–]ancient_resistanceShit coming out my eyeballs1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

do 1K a month in blow

What's that, like an ounce or two? fuck bro, hope you save some brain cells for your 50s

[–]LeonidasMRP1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy

This is retarded "eat, pray, love" female centered bullshit advice. 1 year would be better spent in traditionally masculine environment like construction or ranching. That way you learn a skill, making some money, get physical activity, learn how to relate to and communicate with men without it being overshadowed by an HR department.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy

Says the brokeback mountain fag whose idea of traveling the world is epcot center.

Who needs the world when you've got truck-n-tractor pulls, donald trump ralleys, and a big ol' bucket of kentucky fried chicken.

This is retarded "eat, pray, love" female centered bullshit advice.

I believe that's the single most misinformed, insightless, and terribly, terribly misguided statement I've ever read in this sub.

Good work retard.

[–]HornsOfApathyMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

big ol' bucket of kentucky friend chicken

Thank you for making my day.

[–]LeonidasMRP0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

I already did what you advised OP to do. It was a waste of time.

[–]HornsOfApathyMod / Red Beret1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

Sounds like you did it wrong, Rambo.

(I read your latest OYS btw)

[–]LeonidasMRP0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Agreed. Taking a year to travel with no objective other than achieving an ambiguous platitude is the wrong thing to do.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

You didn't travel the world, retard, you didn't even leave your own continent. Out west and mexico, lol.

I don't even need to read your OYS to know you're a lifelong pussy.

[–]HornsOfApathyMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

In fairness.... as one of the world's top franchises, there are lots of big ol' buckets of Kentucky Fried Chicken to see in the world.

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Pretty sure that one of their most profitable markets is China. You've got more KFCs there than McDs.

[–]RStonePT2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

I was raised on a ranch and worked construction. Your advice tells me you have never done either.

[–]LeonidasMRP1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

I worked a landscape crew while completing my 2 year associates degree at the community college. Then I took a a couple of years to travel around the West and Mexico to reflect upon what I wanted. Then I realized I was wasting time that could be used more productively, got a job, and got an engineering degree. My view of the traveling was that it was causing me to stagnate. It was not a romantic Jack Kerouac "On The Road" type of an experience.

[–]RStonePT2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

I was raised on a ranch, it's a piece of shit experience and shouldn't have a 16 year old wake up aching. The greatest benefit was to promise .kyself never to end up like that again.

I travelled the world, but it was with the navy and it did enough to show me why I loved travel

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Stoney you have been one of the few men that I have seen make carefully crafted career decisions. You weight the risks, and unlike most of the boys here, you take the risks and monitor them as you go. I can count Lady Luck as one of my benefactors, you on the other hand, pretty much made your own luck, one than once.

Going from the shit hole ranch and family you started from, to where you are now, and continue to go forward, is nothing more than a sheer work of your internal force. I bet there is a French phrase for your internal force that you could state, since I can barely speak Ingrish.

[–]RStonePT1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Merde. It's a word for good luck.

And thanks, really glad it didn't go the Hunter route, but let's hold off the compliments for another year, I'd prefer to wait till I'm earning more here than I would as an InfoSec consultant 😂😂😂

Need me that new england banker money

[–]Over60_FireTempered3Red Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]UEMcGillI am become McGill, Destroyer of Blue Pill5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've taken the exact career path you ask about. Undergrad in Engineering, and now run a Sales Organization.

The best of the best that I see? Technical salespeople who are really good at their job know how to solve a problem that even the customer doesn't know he has, and know how to convince the customer that what they are talking about will help them. Those same people are often really likable and can move between many different worlds. One day you're a designer, the next you're a manager. Somedays you're a bartender and somedays you're a mercenary. To be really good you need to know what day it is.

In the end, if you want to get paid, you need to have a really good skill set. Frankly, I don't see a lot of young technical salespeople because they haven't got the experience yet. I spent close to 15 years as a process engineer. I worked my way from frontline to management and all of that added up to a toolbag that I can put in front of a multitude of people and parse out the problems they have and make money off of it.

So I love technical sales. I once sold a system that now makes one of the most known brands in the country for its market. I can look at that product and say "Man I had a huge part in that company being successful!" I also have a lot of freedom to do what I want, when I want. I don't know that I could ever go back to a standard corporate job. I do know that the colleagues I have that also do it? They really like it for the same reasons I listed.

[–]johneyapocalypseThe one that says "Bad Motherfucker"2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

That 15 years as a process engineer gives you a major advantage.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I always wanted to travel. Hadn’t been on an airplane by age 17 so I dropped out of college and got on one instead. Since then 45 countries visited, 10 lived in. Just followed the regular “move every 2 year” advice.

Oil and gas seems an obvious choice for you. European ex pats do well and there’s a bull case on the future.

Combine engineering with another speciality over time and you’d find a decent niche.

Edit: being older and wiser, becoming an “advisor” would have got me to where I ended up career wise with likely less worry lines. So KPMG, PwC, McKinsey etc. They’re the guys you meet at a three martini lunch in HK or NYC.

[–]simbarlionRed Beret1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Make what you will about my story about passion:

You have heard the 'if you do what you love, you'll never work a day", and that is true, but its also lame. But, If you do what you are passionate about, you will be an energising, interesting positive person.

Tag team that with the proverb: "it is not he with little, but he who craves more, that is poor", and you will see that life's hidden secret is to start doing what enjoy now, and you will be happy, and people will want to be around you. They will promote you, sleep with you respect you, pay you, because you are good. The spiral effect of this is the dream you chase.

[–]tightsleeves3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

In my early career i moved around A LOT. After school I took a lot of contract work (1 year average) and would jump around. By the end of 6-7 years I had a bunch of experience in different areas... but they all complimented eachother (and they all made me better in the next role) - I never moved into the same job, always a small step up with different experience. Accounting would help a Sales person, no doubt... but applying for a sales job with just accounting experience will be difficult so you need to figure this out

Do what your good at.. and if you dont know, then do some introspection. Try to do something that puts you in the zone, and you will excel. Chasing money will leave you pretty unsatisfied and you will dread your upcoming Monday mornings. If you hate crunching numbers than accounting will be a slow death.

My advice... figure out what you gravitate to as a person. It took me into my 30's before i realized that:

a) I am a leader and people listen to my direction/suggestions

b) I am highly creative and my suggestions are out of the box and well received

c) I like to BUILD and FIX things, but I don't like to maintain anything

d) I am a problem solver and highly analytical

Knowing those 4 core foundations I try to stay in roles that have these elements and my day job is a walk in the park.

Edit - Also, why did you do a whole engineering degree if you dont like it. what a waste of time and money. Get control of your life

[–]wkndatbernardus0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Well, you have a solid degree that will give you a lot of flexibility as far as what career path you want to take so, you have that going for you, which is nice. My view on jobs is that they are a means to an end. The end being whatever you want to do in life; slow travel, become spiritually enlightened, get married and have a family (dumb unless you are religious), thru hike the App Trail, etc.

So, I guess I would advocate for any series of jobs that would get you to a place financially where you could do those things, ASAP. That being said, it will probably take you at least 10-15 years to reach that point (unless you are Mr Money Mustache) by saving and investing, which is a long ass time to be doing shit you don't care about. So, think about what activity puts you in "the zone" and consider how to monitize that. And don't forget to smell the roses along the way because you aren't promised tomorrow.

[–]the_man_i_want_to_be0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I'm an engineering major who cleared 6 figures in my mid twenties.

The trick is to become an expert in something not very many people specialize in and sell the fuck out of yourself.

For me, it was a certain part of pharmaceutical development. You sound like a mechanical engineer, give some thought to less common but critical fields like fluid dynamics, materials, etc.

Think of it as an on-the-job PhD. Once you have that skill set, people will pay you a whole lot more than 65k. I hit 6 figures at the manager level. Usually that is minimum 6-8 years in industry but because no one else had the technical knowledge for my role I did it in 4.

Developing a unique skill that fast may not be possible if you are average or below-average as an engineer, but if you are as autistic as most askMRP posters you're probably a stone's throw away from being an idiot savant so give it a try.

After that you'll need to transition into a broader skillset to start bringing director/VP level jobs into feasibility. This will get you well into 6 figures, depending on your company. I've a suspicion our VPs make somewhere in the mid 200s at a small startup.

If you want more than that (and you will), you'll have to get aggressive. Build a consulting firm, patent an idea, be ground-floor on a startup that blows up. Otherwise you can take more global, corporate spots and end up in the 200 range or maybe a little into the 300s with job security at one of the really big firms.

Engineering is a good path, but you're right that there will be plenty of opportunities to turn yourself into a low-pay, low-fun drone if you aren't careful. I'd say out of the guys that I've kept in touch with, about 70% have settled into the drone path (ends at middle management making 95K), 15% have taken on more aggressive paths, and 15% have left to find other careers (one doctor, one teacher, one overdosed, one is doing weird hippie shit in Oregon).

[–]Deathmetal_deadlifts0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sales skills are absolutely essential for any career you may wish to focus on later in life. Like someone else said already, you can start in sales and move on to something else but the other way around is nearly impossible.

I run a sales organization of about 100 people. We have relatively high staff turnover and I hire people every month. Everyone salesperson we hire either has a sales background already or is fresh out of university. The exception is like one person per 2-3 years and then they need the same investment in terms of training as a 21-year-old graduate.

[–]markpf730 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The most important advice no one gave you - avoid becoming a slave to possessions and obligations so you are free to pursue risks with potential high returns.

I passed on a distributorship opportunity in my line of work well over a decade ago. It would have involved scraping by financially for a couple of years. However I had some other obligations I chose to meet in lieu of that opportunity.

I’ll never know how that would have turned out. Life as it is today is a success but who knows what that would have turned into.

So maybe I was too pussy to take the risk or maybe I was too bluepilled into meeting my obligations. Either way obligations to kids, people, possessions are just obstacles or excuses to not take the risks you should.

[–]Non_Merger0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Another engineer checking in.

Why the fuck did you go to school for engineering if you're primarily focused on making money?

That being said, there are opportunities for engineers of all types in energy companies (i.e. oil and gas). They also pay well and can often let you travel as much as you want (more so for field-based assignments). You also have opportunity to move into many other areas within the company.

[–]johnmic070 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You can always start out in design and then transition to sales later. But it's very hard to go the other way.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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