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What is it about Rollo Tomassi

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MikykiM
July 8, 2020
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Hello everyone,

I could not have not noticed the seemingly sudden hate in Rollo Tomassi, author of The Rational Male series - I have read all his books and even tho I might not agree with everything he says I still find his findings valuable and the book format he composed them in very helpful and easy to digest

What is it with all the hate?

Thx


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Title What is it about Rollo Tomassi
Author MikykiM
Upvotes 60
Comments 83
Date 08 July 2020 04:24 PM UTC (7 months ago)
Subreddit askTRP
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/705009
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[–]ppvknifefight66 points67 points  (18 children) | Copy

I think the hate comes from the fact that he writes a good game, but when you look at him and his current lifestyle with actual women, it's like "c'mon, bro."

[–]Casanova-Quinn45 points46 points  (0 children) | Copy

That’s basically the root of it. He talks the talk, but there’s little proof that he walks the walk. However I find it passable to a degree because most of his writings are an analysis of human behavior. He’s not a PUA spouting his techniques for picking up girls. As with anything, take it with a grain of salt.

[–]ThenIJizzedInMyPants13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

yeah that's what happens when you're overly analytical but lack the ability to actually implement shit in your own life.

Plenty of keyboard warriors can tell you the perfect 'theory' on how to lift... but many of them are weak ass bitches getting outlifted by dumbfuck bros in the gym who are actually busting their asses and learning by trial and error.

[–]Noodlesoupe210 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

That’s like every redpill author ever lmao

[–]MikykiM[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

What do you mean specifically aside the fact that he is married?

[–]Noitrasama2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Did Rollo ever say dont get married? Nop.

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy

Also refuses to show up in any comment section. Drive by author.

[–]mtl_dood8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why should he show up to chat with you? You are nobody, and so are 99.9% of the people on here. He is an author, not a professional message board poster.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

I get all of my sexual strategy from World Of Warcraft 3 Wrath Of The Litch King

[–]MikykiM[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

Yea I agree with this - but is the fact that he doesn't like to discuss something at length on a forum a good reason to dismiss him?

[–]Itchy-Cucumber8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy

He discusses every subject here at greater length than just about any other member. His website posts are classic and his YouTube channel goes into great depth in several subjects. I'm sure he would be willing to have a discussion with some EC's here if approached.

[–]failingtheturingtest5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Except its the ECs who seem to have the issue with him for not being open to discussion. So maybe don't be so sure if what he would accept.

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[–]failingtheturingtest0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Then you're in the wrong community, bub.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Reddit culture will always be Reddit culture, the sub at the top don't mean shit

[–]Endorsed Contributoritiswr1tten1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Length?

[–]TrashcanCity691 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Gotta separate the art from the artist

[–]Tongue370 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good point, I like Rollo, Cooper and Donovan but I'm very curious as to how good they truly are with women. Rollo is married so it's hard to say but the other red pill guys, I just for some reason don't think they are really all that good with women when it comes to approach, game and getting laid..

[–]skyrunner2250 points51 points  (12 children) | Copy

No man is infallible. His work is top notch but since he was largely hidden people probably built up some ultra alpha gawd. And dude is on youtube, tryna expand his audience and you see he is a older guy who is married.

Game is really a young mans domain so people get some type of dissonance. Some cant separate the work from the person sometimes

[–]MikykiM[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

This

[–]pointster_VSK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This is exactly what it is. And honestly people need to stop judging by looks because none of the RP dudes i see on youtube look like they are alpha slaying gods.

The takeaway is in the knowledge that they preach.

[–]3chazthundergut91 points92 points  (21 children) | Copy

The red pill community isnt immune from jealous twats.

Rollo Tomassi is the godfather, and his work will be passed between men for years to come

[–]SalporinRP52 points53 points  (19 children) | Copy

By associating himself with that snake oil sales pitch 21con Rollo dug his own grave.

95% of the speakers are absolute losers who don't lift much less pick up chicks. You mean to tell me I'm supposed to take advice on how to get chicks from Hunter Drew aka Bilbo Baggins?

And the 5% of speakers who actually know what they're talking about have their credibility tarnished by associating themselves with a dude who is trying to shill so you can buy his tactical soap.

I mean just look at this "trailer" for one of their conventions. It is absolute comedy.

You have Anthony "Nightmare" Johnson looking like an absolute retard with his poorly matched outfit and "Make Women Great Again Hat".

You have Rollo looking like a meth head wearing a beanie hat mid-day in fucking Orlando Florida.

And you have Elliot Hulse who steps out of a Tesla wearing cargo shorts with boots.

Rollo torched any goodwill he might have had by associating with these retards.

[–]darkprince_2327 points28 points  (3 children) | Copy

Facts who you associate with affects your credibility. Rollo associated himself with a bunch of clowns which makes him look like he doesn't know what he's talking about even though he does. Pretty dumb decision on his part. All these guys are a bunch of scammers to put the cherry on top so you can't believe the shit they're saying as it's all about the mulla.

[–]empatheticapathetic5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

And it's up to us to determine whether that invalidates everything else he's provided. Which, IMO, it obviously doesn't.

[–]mtl_dood2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

every subject here at greater length than just about any other member. His website posts are classic and his YouTube channel goes into great depth in several subjects. I'm sure he would be willing to have a discussion with some EC's here if appro

Why are you looking to Rollo as your moral or social compass? You are confusing the man and the message. It's like people saying Donald Trump is retarded because his hair is a strange color. That has nothing to do with the actual message, which may or may not be retarded.

If Rollo was a Filipino tranny with 1 leg, it should not make a difference if his message is actually solid.

[–]darkprince_231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Read my comment again. I said it makes him look like he doesn’t know what he’s talking about even though he does which means I’m separating the man from the message. My comment further illustrated on the one above that people will hold your message accountable based on who you associate with. It’s an observation and Im not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with it. His writings are still valid regardless of his former associations.

[–]stainedtopcat16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

ROFL seeing these guys really puts everything into perspective

[–]DadBod2ChadBod12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Jesus Rollo looks like an idiot shaking hands with these tools. His book is gold and it changed my life, but my God has he lost his way. That trailer belongs in a cringe compilation.

[–]SalporinRP2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The whole convention itself is completely cringe but that trailer takes it to a new level.

[–]RayneXero3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy

Didn't Rollo leave 21Con due to some stupid "controversy" a while back. As far as I understand, he's completely disassociated himself from most of them.

Though of course the affect on his image is still there

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[–]SalporinRP6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

He got booted from 21Con. Rollo didn't leave.

[–]SalporinRP3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

He got booted out because he invited a NYT reporter to one of their get togethers.

He was perfectly fine with getting money from chumps when it suited him.

It's not like he realized it was an event run by retards and quit, he got kicked out.

[–]pointster_VSK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The same reporter that anthony later agreed to do an interview with.

It was more of a favor being kicked out than a curse. All of those speakers at the time were working for free while the top man was making all the money

[–]ThenIJizzedInMyPants3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

lmao that trailer is hilarious. i used to watch 21Con 5-10 years ago when it was all pickup focused. they actually had some decent speakers and content back when it was a small thing.

[–]3chazthundergut1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yea but I never liked Rollo for his cool lifestyle, harem of women, or high quality conventions to begin with...

It has always been about his content.

And The Rational Male is, regardless of anything else, a pure jack out of the matrix and a timeless classic. As I said it will be passed around by men for generations

[–]SalporinRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I do thank Rollo and The Rational Male for pulling me out of my blue pill haze but I'm just showing why Rollo isn't liked anymore. He tied his horse to the 21Con idiots.

[–]3chazthundergut0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Ok I just watched the trailer... holy shit that was cringe

[–]SalporinRP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah my description doesn't do it justice.

[–]Tongue370 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I admit, that trailer was pretty bad but why is 21 studios so looked down upon? I don't know much about it but have watched quite a few videos from various speakers. It seems most presenters have some good info so not sure why people think they are scamming? What type of lies are they telling the audience?

As far as how good most red pillers are at talking to women, I have my doubts as well ..I'm watching the Modern Life Dating channel right now with 7 red pillers on it. 5 of these guys look like basement dwellers lol

[–]Senior Endorseddr_warlock5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Rollo, roosh, and roissy. They were THE original trio pioneers with epic works in their wake that laid the foundation of everything that is the manosphere. All that came after was built on top of that. It doesn't matter if Rollo doesn't look like chad or Roosh went the hardcore christian route deleting and publicly denouncing all old works he spent over a decade creating. Their work speaks for itself. People need to stop clinging to the person. It doesn't matter who wrote it as long as it makes sense and it works.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

I have read all his books and even tho I might not agree with everything he says I still find his findings valuable

Isn't that good enough? You know enough to sift thru his writing and use what works and discard the rest

[–]btrpb6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

He could probably sort his dress sense but he's an older guy now.

But whatever, his writing is on point. It's the most important red pill stuff I've read.

[–]boy_named_su27 points28 points  (3 children) | Copy

Some of our members have so much frame that they don't even listen to the wisdom of the founding fathers of TRP

[–]AllEyez0nMe463 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

If I can ask, who are the founding fathers of TRP besides Rollo?

[–]boy_named_su7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Roosh V and Roissy

[–]rothkochapel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Skip Roosh, read Pook instead

[–]ricardomhv4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don't know, I see Rollo as the elder of a tribe, he's already retired from the regular activities but he carries with himself the wisdom that we all need

[–]D50HS8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think it's because he was associated with 21 Con for a while and that upset some ECs here?

Anyways, he's not associated with them anymore.

[–]Tongue370 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Why do people on here slam 21 studios so much? What's the backstory here?

[–]D50HS0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because they're a fraud. They still use Rollo's name to milk money out of people.

[–]Cum_Victor7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

His theory is good. But look at him....

It’s like those people you see a the gym w a personal trainer whose way out of shape, fat, etc.

If you aren’t practicing what you preach/teach, kinda hard for some people to respect you.

[–]gediwer3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy

So do I read the book or not?

[–]sireloquent23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

Definitely read the books

[–]skyrunner2211 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Of course. Its probably top 3 on every ones list to start rp journey

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I read most of the first one but i felt like it was elementary psychology laced with gender dynamics. Richard Greens art of seduction, laws of human nature, and 50 laws of power are far better reads within the genre.

Also No More Mr. Nice Guy by Robert Glover is a must have for the AFC.

[–]MikykiM[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yes, definitely read them all, but don't use them as a Bible - it's an imperfect analysis of human behavior, but very valuable

[–]SweatyAdvance4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think that's why he is so adamant that it's a praxeology at it's core, changing with new information, not an infallible ideology.

[–]19abto2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

He has ongoing misery because 80% of his life’s content/philosophy was stolen from Patrice Oneal (without giving Patrice any due credit) meaning it’s not his original work meaning he has to live with that reality for the rest of his life therefore he carries an internal sentiment of hate towards his daily external matters, even though these external matters didn’t cause his internal sentiments of hate; he takes his own internal misery out on others.

[–]Noodlesoupe27 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Patrice didn’t invent that philosophy it’s been a truth since greco/Roman times. He just put it in his own words

[–]19abto2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fair point, I completely agree on what you mention about the Greco/Roman times/its significance on this topic. However there is definitely Patrice Oneal content online (particularly what’s discussed in “the black Philip show”) that literally have identical similarities to what Rollo preaches...and Rollo’s book came out after Patrice passed away. Regardless, I think what it really comes down to is that men are enlightened on what the truth is, and guys like Rollo who actually take the time/steps to form a coherent + organized book(s) on RedPill topics should definitely be recognized and worthy of respect to say the least- not trying to take that away from him.

[–]Sliw3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

What if I told you... Patrice O'neal didn't have original thoughts either, and that in fact practically nothing is original.

"If I have seen further, it is because I stood on the shoulders of giants."

[–]19abto0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Idk man...Amazon seems pretty original to me lol

[–]rainaw1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Isn't it just like online Walmart? Tough part was doing it, not thinking it

[–]Snowboard181 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

The thing that started it is he took part in an extremely overpriced male convention. There may be something else to this event that caused even more hate but I can’t remember.

[–]MikykiM[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh yes I remember something like that, and I definitely see how that could upset the community - I mean he even spoke against those kind of events in the books - guess he fucked up

[–]teka70 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I get all the hate for his persona, but isnt that beside the point of his work?

Dont really give a fuck about him personally, he wrote a couple of good books and opened my eyes to the theory of the whole topic of intersexual dynamics.

He even writes it in the preface of his first book... "im just connecting the dots of my observations, you might disagree with some of my stuff, but go find out for yourself" (im paraphrasing here) - so do exactly that.

to the actual topic:

The whole "scene" went to shits as early as a few years ago. Lots of clowns are trying to milk some losers for their money. Its basically the same as has happened to the PUA guys.

Ive been send a youtube livestream a few days ago to look at... there were a couple of guys on a talk rampling around.... for sure, those are a) trying to squeeze you for your money and b) looked like some real fools (and talked like it imho).

It is what it is. Its always the same. Listen to the guys you "trust" (to deliver quality content), test what they say and apply it to your own life.

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btw: im still of the (very) strong opinion that you need two books. TRM (1 and 2) and The Book of Pook (underrated!!!)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because he is all talk and people confer a greatly inflated worth to him.



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