Can you really win?

DangZagnut · 2019-10-22T00:59:04+00:00

There are no unicorns, give it up.

Your entire topic sentence is rife with BS.

You don’t need a woman, your “loneliness” is entirely based on cultural programming.

Stop an seriously think about why why you believe what you do. And who told you to believe it.

trseeker · 2019-10-22T00:55:30+00:00

You are addicted to interaction, give it enough time, you will eventually realize that solitude is bliss.

The_other_account22 · 2019-10-22T01:32:28+00:00

Yes, the game can be won. But you know the saying "all is fair in love and war?" There's a reason the games of love and war are lumped together so often: you won't win either game by playing fair. If life didn't deal you a winning hand right from the outset, you need to do a few extra things to come out on top.

1.) Know yourself and know the opposition. Knowledge is power and situational awareness is king.

2.) Do everything you can to stack the deck in your favor. Play to your strengths and exploit the opposent's weaknesses.

3.) Think strategically and keep sight of the long-term goal. It's very possible to win a single battle at the cost of losing the war.

4.) Pick your battles carefully. Don't be afraid to walk away from a bad situation, and NEVER start a fight if you can't win.

Brandwein · 2019-10-23T12:50:46+00:00

I only feel lonely when other people make feel that way through norms and expectations. Else it doesn't cross my mind to want a "partner".

SparkyMcBiff · 2019-10-22T15:31:15+00:00

If you think that "living alone makes you feel like a shell of a human being" that means you have some major self-confidence issues.

I live alone (on a large homestead in an amazing house in the country) and I absolutely LOVE it.

I adore living alone, even when I was in (semi) committed relationships.

If you can't handle living with yourself and think that you can only survive by being with another person 100% of the time then you obviously have some self esteem issues.

DriverDude777 · 2019-10-22T15:55:38+00:00

Humans crave human interaction. Be social just dont commit yourself financially. Join clubs go to therapy, support groups, poker night, casinos, the bar to watch the game. Just dont tie the knot.

mvlock · 2019-10-22T19:25:29+00:00

Maybe having a child from surrogate motherhood

would make u less feeling alone or empty

thisisd0g · 2019-10-22T19:53:10+00:00

Stop getting your life wisdom from Meg Ryan movies.

gopher_glitz · 2019-10-22T22:43:04+00:00

Get a dog and have friends and date. If you let them move in, make it 50/50 to even the loss if it happens.

Loban8990 · 2019-10-23T02:47:49+00:00

Get a dog dude. I used to say this on Mgtow 1 alot. Dogs, they are loyal, and love you unconditionally. You ever see homeless people, when thier family and friends leave them behind who's still there for them, thier dogs. They aren't called "Mans best friend" for no reason.

throwd444444 · 2019-10-23T21:30:17+00:00

Let's get a few things straight. Firstly the natural order of things is not to live in isolation. We're social beings and desire companionship.

MGTOW is reactionary. It's not the natural order of things. It's a response to the status quo, and by that, I mean the state in general of women.

What mostly anyone with a brain will agree with is that women are experiencing a golden age, the odds are heavily in their favor and there's no immediate signs of this changing. And this is why MGTOW exists in the first place. Men who've had enough of that.

And you know what? I get it. If I look around it's not just the state of women but the state of people in general. Most people you meet are shallow and self-absorbed. Maybe it's just me and my age, but it's becoming increasingly difficult to even make friends.

But when it comes to the state of women. The vast majority will wreck your life or use and abuse you in some way, shape or form.

So what's the answer? The answer is to make a call that's right for you. But here are a few things to consider.

First thing is you should take what you hear on this sub or the internet in general with a pinch of salt. You don't know these people or their circumstances. Posts you read here from "monks" today, who sound all fervent for their cause, and adamant that staying single as a way of life is the only way, might very well end up married and with children.

Second thing is, due to the nature of Reddit and circle-jerking any sub or subculture will follow one theme and stamp out or silence difference of opinion, that's how a circle jerk works. Buffing up the consensus while undermining any contra advocation. Do you really think those on here that go on to settle down come back and report their progress about how they've seen the light? Obviously not, and if they do, perhaps you've never seen those posts because the mods already removed them.

3rd thing is, MGTOW as a movement is a load of shit. It's either a personal thing or it isn't. The worse way to live your life is imposing unpractical restrictions on it and for no good reason. Life changes, people change, what is right for you now, might not be in a year, what was your leading idea last year might simply be obsolete. The people on this sub don't give a fuck about you. Do what's right for you. MGTOW (as a movement) in the wild also hardly exists. Ask yourself why is it whenever you hear MGTOW getting mentioned by vloggers they only ever refer back to Reddit, that's because of it only existing here (as a movement).

People who abandon the notion of relationships have existed since the beginning of time. Some got burnt and decided not to go through with it again. Others have ridiculously high standards. Some are borderline retarded or have a mental issue. Yet others prioritize work over relationships. These people are all more MGTOW than you will ever be (Yes even the women). They don't need permission, nor a support sub to deal with their loneliness. They don't feel compelled to sign up for an instruction video or wear a t-shirt. For them, it's as natural as breathing.

And if this isn't your case, then find yourself a partner. Invest your time in identifying red-flags, and be extremely critical and alert and avoid 99/100 women.

And if you think that's enough it's not. But explaining what else is required will make you choke on your coffee.

ZenYourOwnWay · 2019-10-26T09:39:35+00:00

Listen, when validation is a revolving door or dependent on others you give up a hell of a lot of authority over your own life. I can understand your frustration dude, but hobbies are just a small part of getting to know yourself.

Going your own way can be extremely frustrating at times but that's life and it's looking out for your own ass. All I can think to say is get to know yourself first, it's a huge part of this experience.

Hope that helped man, stay on the path.

kittynovalove · 2019-10-27T03:30:54+00:00

Maybe find a new goal or hobby. I always like to learn new things or read books because it makes you feel like your time wasn’t wasted and the days that are progressing are fuel to your newfound wisdom. Or paint. Or learn to play an instrument and make your own music. Or travel. There’s lots of things.

MyLittlePonyofDoom · 2019-10-22T14:02:05+00:00

First you need to define what you think it is to ‘win’.

solaris32 · 2019-10-22T14:29:04+00:00

Get a dog or cat or both. Animals are usually better than humans anyway.

7firewire · 2019-10-22T07:38:07+00:00

Let some time pass.

IMO we can be happy.

Blissbynature · 2019-10-22T01:04:18+00:00

Can you be happy? If so, can you be happy regardless of circumstances? If not, you'll never really be happy because circumstances are always changing.

I think the key is freeing yourself mentally from dependence on the external.

IBudgetForIt · 2019-10-22T01:52:51+00:00

The way I won was to change my mindset to realize that transactional relationships with quality women are really just the same as being in long-term relationships, except I get to retain control.

csehszlovakze · 2019-10-22T01:56:34+00:00

If you really want a family, check out some live streams by Ayam Sirias, a Canadian guy. He used to live in Indonesia, converted to Islam to get married to a local chick, who in turn did some nasty shit to their son. There are tips on how to get a not as bad local woman, but the conclusion will be it's not really worth it.

As for hobbies not being enough, do some learning, too. I'm not saying you should get a PhD in nuclear engineering in your spare time (you could, though), but watching some science education material is great for both mind and soul.

Finally, being a shut-in is definitely not among the requirements of MGTOW, although you'll find many who prefer it that way. Not true for huMAN, who's pretty social, his channel might give you more pointers.

likwid2k · 2019-10-22T02:15:38+00:00

Statistically speaking, yes. It’s naive to think that every relationship will end up in the woman’s favour and to your detriment . Some woman will do anything for her man, being chad will increase your chances significantly

ulgulanoth · 2019-10-22T04:04:01+00:00

Don't underestimate the ability for pets to fill that hole not being in a relationship leaves you. A dog will be your best friend and give you all the affection you need without the nagging, craziness and financial ruin women come with.

avtarius · 2019-10-22T04:04:27+00:00

We win when we feel happy. Do what makes you happy.

Be wary of contentment thought. Complacency kills.

artographic · 2019-10-22T05:05:11+00:00

I understand where your lonlieness is coming from, but you know what I learned is a lot of the time we feel lonely because we are surrounded with people who don't love us.

They say usually lonlieness isnt the fear of being alone it's the fear of knowing nobody cares, it's why they say lonely people feel very anxious around crowds.

Back to the point though, have you ever thought maybe it's that you need better people in your life to fill that void. I learned for myself that a lot of my lonliness I feel after taking the redpill and going my own way is the fact I feel isolated both physically and mentally from the rest of the world. Because my whole perspective on what matters has changed, so many of my friends are a bunch of Simps who put pussy on a pedestal and shit. It drives me nuts, and they don't think about their own goals or other priorities enough.

I keep finding it's harder to have a sort of brotherhood connection with my fellow man out there because mgtow while growing is still so few. Like I made a post once in here saying "I wish we could all meet up physically, share a few beers, go bowling or something" you know? Because honestly the environment other mgtow provide is great. These are the kind of people I want in my life. They think objectively and not just subjectively on trivial things like sex and shit like most other guys I meet do. I see posts in here about traveling seeing the world, and it inspires me to try and see the world more in the future if I can.

Just think about it, you got a life man. You're free. You have something your ancestors wish they couldve had, embrace that.

chalchium · 2019-10-22T06:14:20+00:00

Of course you don't live alone. Always engage in social activities that give you some information/opinions about what is going on. Building a castle around yourself is not good. Just never bring one back home.

And once you realize how different and dangerous your thoughts are (mainly the red pill knowledge), you want some alone time at home to be your true self.

DopaMonkey · 2019-10-22T07:59:01+00:00

What exactly do you classify as winning?

Do you really want to suffer in the pursuit of something that doesn't exist? Trust in the wisdom of the better men who have tried and failed to find these supposed NAWALTS, i'm not saying this to take away your hope. The system is an illusion and always has been, women are wired for polyamory and so are men. Loyalty disappears as soon as the resources do (which can be an array of things.)

Do you want to enjoy short flings? That's very possible.

CRGRO · 2019-10-22T09:59:07+00:00

The only winning move is not to play.

I’m talking in relationships - it’s either your game or no game at all, in which event it ends up being your game when the girl realizes she’d rather play yours than not have you.

bulgaria_sofia · 2019-10-22T10:37:20+00:00

There was a study saying that skin hunger aka loneliness increases your chances of early mortality as much as being obese.

Metalcrazyx · 2019-10-22T10:47:23+00:00

Life is not about happiness, it's about reproduction, biologically speaking. This is why it is hard. If you must, get a vasectomy + condom and pump and dump. If you wanna have kids.. good luck finding an attractive female who has low N count. I feel sorry for guys who are good Men and want a family nowadays. The environment is shit for that

NYCCOOP · 2019-10-22T11:11:52+00:00

Can you really win?

To answer the question "as asked" the answer is a definitely YES

You need to define WIN in a way that is ecologically sound, meaning objectively possible and subjectively within your capabilities.

Now, in the text you've verbalize your definition of "WIN":

the only way out is finding a one in a million partner who is worth your time

So, not you need to ask yourself and address the following questions:

Is this objectively possible?
Is this within my capabilities and possibilities?

801735 · 2019-10-22T11:13:22+00:00

but living alone makes you feel like a shell of a human being.

Not me. For decades now. Socialize outside your home if you crave cuntpany. Problem?

Punkgender · 2019-10-22T12:20:18+00:00

if you don’t want to be part of a relationship but also like social interaction, that’s what friends are for dude aha

notadaddy · 2019-10-22T12:31:18+00:00

hobbies are for kids,

you need to find something larger than you, whether it's working out, writing, creating art, tinkering and building stuff, etc.

You are also thinking in black and white. The world is a big place, and unfortunately you need to go out and see it for yourself to really understand your place in the world.

You're not gonna get any answers living life in your comfort zone.

Title	Can you really win?
Author	PM_ME_UR_BIG_DIORAMA
Upvotes	25
Comments	46
Date	October 22, 2019 12:42 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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