I'm not a misogynist and I'm not against women, I don't think rape is a joke or that hitting them is ok, or treating them as second class citizens is acceptable, etc. But this seems to be a lot of people's blatant assumptions about the men's movement.

What got me into the movement, ironically, had absolutely nothing to do from within the movement itself, but negative generalizations about men and boys from outside the movement, who are obviously against it, which drew me to it. As a random example, a forum used to frequent (but quit specifically because of this) had a thread where a 29-year-old woman who was a teacher had a sexual relationship with a 13-year-old boy who was her student and they are all saying that she had done nothing wrong and doesn't' deserve to go to jail. They were openly advocating for the law to be changed, and for there to be a double standard: grown women can have sex with boys well under the age of consent without being prosecuted, but men who would do it to underage girls should be treated as pedophiles. I agree that men who have sex with underage girls should be treated as pedophiles, but I disagree with the double standard. The thread itself is very old (about 15 years actually) but it's a great example.

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/yet-another-female-teacher-sleeps-with-student.126269/

The opinions expressed absolutely disgusted me. To reiterate, reviewing this particular thread at a particular internet forum did not single-handedly cause me to sympathize with the men's movement or be a part of it. It was a gradual thing that built over time, after being exposed to an abundance of this anti-male bias.

I did not lose my virginity until I was 24, and I lost it to a woman who was 20. She racially fetishized me and took advantage of my innocence by riding me without a condom on, hoping I wouldn't notice (and I didn't at first) despite our agreement we would only have sex with the condom on. I am not completely innocent here because she had a fiance and was cheating on him with me. But I was 24 and desperate. However, she made things even worse than they had to be by calling him on the phone while riding me and telling him she loved him. By the end of it, she said her time with me was her away of getting revenge on the middle eastern customers who were rude to her where she worked (this is my ethnicity, though I am born and raised in America and not Muslim) I was genuinely hurt and humiliated. 100% true story

Now here is where I am going with this: If a 20-year-old woman is capable of that kind of damage to a 24-year-old man, it beyond ridiculous to assume a 29-year-old female teacher is incapable of any harm whatsoever to a 13-year boy who is her student. She is far older than him in terms of life experience (the human brain stops developing at 25 and he is only 13) AND as direct formal authority over him, a double whammy of power imbalance. But no, he must have been lucky, there's no possible way he was hurt, the law should be changed.

It is attitudes like this one random example that has only made me think the men's movement at least has some legitimate points.

That we are all mindless horndogs will always want to have sex with a woman no matter what and it's impossible for them to rape us. That we are all guilty of an abundant amount of original sin. That they make no positive generalizations about masculinity whatsoever (literally not even one) while making no negative generalizations about femininity, and then have the audacity to ask why some people call it man-hating.

To be clear: I accept that men rape women more often than the other way around for obvious, biological reasons. However, so many have taken such an extreme, anti-male position that makes me think the men's movement has legitimate concerns at least some of the time.

edit: The story I was talking about earlier, now in much more elaborate detail, provided with context:

I am going to copy/paste you the situation I was talking about from someone I was discussing privately from it, off of reddit. I described in much more thorough detail, and eloquently there. Context: From the same site the link was from about the 29-year-old teacher having a sexual relationship with her 13-year-old student, I have recently been banned from, for unrelated reasons. They told me they were considering permanently banning me, but hadn't made a final discussion, though I am currently banned and have been for some time. I was having a discussion with a sympathetic moderator who has considering unbanning me but informed this moderator privately that I am no longer going to request to be unbanned because of opinions expressed like the one in the link. Without further ado, here it is:

This isn't related to my apology to get unbanned, so I started a new thread due to lack of adequate reason for leif_erikson to review it. Before I proceed any further: At first, I will confess I was quite upset about this potential permaban when I was informed of it. However, I have contemplated this quite thoroughly and have formulated the determination that I will no longer attempt for it to be revoked. I will not go as far as to say I REQUEST that I am to be continued to be permabanned, but I will no longer try to convince any moderator or administrator to reverse the decision.

But as a result of your professional background, I want to share a personal story with you that, as one example, has made me no longer regret being permabanned, supposing that is what they have decided.

But before I disclose the unfortunate sequents of events, I want to make something abundantly clear, for context:

I am against rape. I acknowledge that specifically, men rape women far more often than the other way around. I am against men who abuse their partner or any woman in their lives, be it physically, sexually, emotionally. If another man implies or indicates to me that he sees women primarily as his subordinates, that they are beneath him and a piece of meat whose sole purpose in life is to please him, I will hold him accountable. I will reprimand him for it, and convey to him that his manner of conduct is grotesque and unacceptable. I also fight for abortion rights for women. I am 100% pro-choice and acknowledge it was far too hard for women to successfully have one in my country (United States). I acknowledge that our current president is highly misogynistic (and more likely than not a rapist himself), something I find to be appalling and unacceptable. I acknowledge there is sexism in the workplace that sometimes hinders women from advancing their careers, something I wish to be changed.

I am 29 now. The first and only time I engaged in coitus and physical intimacy with another individual, I was 24. I met her on OkCupid, and she lived approximately 100 miles from my personal living quarters. She was 20 at this duration of time, 4 years younger than me. Being 24 and a virgin, I was quite miserable. Male virgins (especially when they reach a certain age) are stigmatized to a remarkable extent in society, and in conjunction with that, there is an abundance of pop culture tropes that only exacerbate the problem. As such, I was quite desperate to have sex which she provided me the opportunity with. She was white, and I would say quite average in terms of being conventionally attractive. But that was more than acceptable to me. When I drove to see her, I was not prepared, however, for the calamity that would unfold. She made all kinds of mischaracterization about me based on my ethnicity (my dad is from Iran, though I was born and raised in the United States and not Muslim or anything similar and 100% culturally American). My testicles are not bombs waiting to go off. My dick is not a magic carpet for you to ride on. So and so forth. She had a fiance she was cheating on me with. Normally, I would never participate in such a grotesque act with another individual. However, there are two variables to account for:

First, to reiterate, I was 24 and a virgin, and absolutely desperate. But secondly, and more importantly, she informed me that she cheated on him with alarmingly regularly, ergo, her malevolent act of unfaithfulness with me was barely a drop in the bucket next to everything else, relatively speaking.

However, she made the situation far worse than it even had to be. She called him on the phone while riding me, telling him verbatim how much she loved him. When she hung up I informed her how furious I was and demanded she not do it again. To be fair, she complied. But she was wildly inappropriate to do it, to begin with. Another example is she got on top of me, having sex with me in reverse missionary position, without the condom on, and without informing me that she was going to do this. We already conceived a prearranged agreement that the condom would be on for the entire duration of our sexual intimacy with one another. However, she took advantage of my lack of experience, my innocence and did this to me. The implication is she might have done this with every guy, thus possibly infected me with a sexually transmitted disease. She also informed me she was off birth control, which disturbed me even more. To be clear, she did not become pregnant with my child, and I was tested later on and am still clean. However, I was genuinely flabbergasted and disturbed at the time.

As her profession, she was a manager at a Sams Club. At the end, she informed me that the middle eastern male customers were rude to her, and being with me is her way of getting back at them, because "in your culture, they teach you not to do this, so you betrayed them" in her words, not mine. Again, I was 24 at the time and this, to this date, was my only sexual experience. I would be dishonest with you to tell you the experience did not affect me.

I found opinions being expressed on CFC that are quite unpalatable to me, drawing me to perceive the realizations that not attempting to successfully implement a reversal of my ban could very well be in my best interest and emotional well being. As one random example, I went into google to find an old thread of mine about a personal experience I had with a university professor I had a crush on, a conundrum of mine when I was 21. I was unable to find the thread, but found this instead:

https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/yet-another-female-teacher-sleeps-with-student.126269/

The opinions expressed were quite appalling to me. If a 20-year-old woman is capable of inflicting this kind of damage to a 24-year-old man, why are they absolutely determined to espouse the belief that there no theoretical possibility at all that a 29-year-old woman could do something similar (if not worse) to a 13-year-old boy? In conjunction with the decisive variable of the vast age discrepancy between a fully adult woman and a boy well below the legal age of consent, it is also worth taking into consideration that she was his teacher. She had direct, formal authority over him. Something that wasn't even at hand to account for between me and the racist sociopath who hoodwinked me for her own personal gain at my expense.

But the misandric generalizations that they indicated: that males are always mindless horn-dogs devoid of any emotional attachment, or vulnerabilities. That it is apparently impossible for a woman to rape or sexually assault a man (or in this case, literally a boy) in any scenario whatsoever. The blatant, over the top double standard they clearly advocated for.

Now to be fair, this was only one thread, and the thread was from 15 years ago. But my problem is that these sorts of opinions have been expressed at CFC with alarming regularity, even to this day. Timsup2nothin, to name one individual has said almost verbatim, to the best of my recollection "men commit suicide far more often because they are weak." Maybe. But I sincerely believe these kinds of unapologetic double standards society have reflected on my gender could explain at least part of it too. And when I try to express my own point of view, they often engage in ad-hominem attacks against me. And has been conducted to me countless times for all kinds of issues, not just this.