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Women as usual complaining about office dress codes; despite men having stricter rules

TC1827

June 4, 2019
107 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20190604-how-womens-workwear-has-evolved
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Title Women as usual complaining about office dress codes; despite men having stricter rules
Author

TC1827

Upvotes 107
Comments 30
Date June 4, 2019 9:41 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/bwui60/women_as_usual_complaining_about_office_dress/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/women-as-usual-complaining-about-office-dress.876284
https://theredarchive.com/post/876284
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Comments

[–]SCROTAL-SACK 26 points27 points28 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

"air conditioning is sexist because we can't wear summer frocks while men are stuck in suits"

https://youtu.be/MNH0bmYT7os

She actually complains that she can't go into the office in sandals and a summer dress.. She's got no thought at all for anyone other than herself. I work in an office, I have to wear at minimum (no clients around) shirt, tucked into stuffy trousers, formal shoes and tie. But she's not happy about not being able to wear her summer dress and sandals.. They're insufferable.

[–]rationalthought314 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The air-conditioning thing pisses me off as it is so self-centered without an ounce of empathy and understanding. Hilariously they accuse men of being unsympathetic to women with low AC temps ignoring the difference of clothing - slacks, closed shoes and socks, button up shirt with a t-shirt, tie, and often a jacket compared to light loose blouses, open-toed sandals, no hose or socks, light skirts, short sleeves if any sleeves. They seem to think we are polar bears unaware of our ability to handle the cold better.

No, you dumb bitch! We are sweltering under all of this getup! Wear a damn sweater if it bothers you so much!

Then in winter when it comes to going out they complain men are unsympathetic to their freezing when men are wearing long sleeve shirts, sweaters, coats, etc... and girls are still wearing light loose blouses, thin jeans or skirts, revealing dresses. It never occurs to them that maybe just maybe climate does not care about fashion.

[–]rationalthought314 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

“I’ve hired hundreds of people in my city career and I have to admit there’s been unconscious biases there. I have looked at people and – within the first three seconds thought, ‘Have you actually thought about what you’re wearing? Because you’re trying to get a job’.”

I wouldn't want her hiring people at a company I was running as I would end up with empty-headed shallow fashionistas instead of qualified people who don't care if their belt doesn't match their shoes.

[–]KnightofNarg 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Last thing a company needs is a room full of people competing in the looks department with each other.

[–]Blitz6969 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m in an office with all women. I have to wear a suit and tie everyday. No joke they wear casual sun dresses and stuff. No joke it would be the equivalent of wearing a T-shirt and shorts

[–]Aug415 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Depending on your state (assuming you live in US), gender-based dress codes may be illegal. Show up in a sun dress or something similar to what the women wear and threaten legal action if if they have issues with it.

[–]Blitz6969 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol no way not wearing a dress, I don’t mind our dress code, it sets us apart. Would just be nice if women adhered to the same standard the men are expected to. But then again the women complain men get treated differently here, well we look the part so it makes sense lol

[–]angry_cabbie 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Remember a couple of generations ago, after women had entered the work force en masse for the first time, they started demanding a relaxation of female dress codes to be more comfortable, less stuffy, etc.?

What did they expect to happen when they only argued for their own benefit, without caring what the men had to sit through?

[–]StayingOnSociety8 points 7 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

In my workplace, again, men are required to wear office attire, i.e, shirt, trousers & shoes. Women have a ‘smart attire’ dress code which is not enforced at all, they come in wearing flip flops, hoodies, and a bunch of other nonsense which isn’t suitable for the office, nor does it fit the dress code rules. In summer, women can wear skirts, men still have to wear trousers. There is a serious lack of equality, and double standards, and what’s worse, is that no one wants to talk about it, out of fear they will be deemed ‘sexiest’ or ‘misogynistic’.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just make a rule that they CANT dress formally, and the next day they will show up looking like Sunday church, and protest your SEXIST policy

[–]StayingOnSociety 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m glad it’s not just me that feels this way !!!!!

[–]TC1827[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That describes by workplace to a T.

I don't care about having to dress formally and think workers should dress formally, but it bothers me that women don't have the decency to dress formally.

[–]StayingOnSociety 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It infuriates me, because in my workplace, my team an supervisors are predominately women, I feel if I spoke out, I would be penalised for saying so. If I came in wearing whatever I wanted, I would face some sort of workplace punishment, but when it comes to a women, nothing is said, and it’s overlooked.

[–]goodmod[M] [score hidden] 7 years ago stickied comment (8 children) | Copy Link

The title should have "feminists", not "women". Or else, "some women".

It's feminists who say these things - many women don't complain.

Let's not generalise the whole gender, as feminists do to men.

[–]DevilishRogue 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The title should have "feminists", not "women". Or else, "some women".

"Women" means "some women", not "every single woman". It isn't generalising the whole gender to make a generalisation that applies to that gender only generally - that's literally what generalisations are for.

[–]goodmod 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's a good point. But considering the ways we are attacked, I think it helps to be explicit in stating these things, lest we be misrepresented.

[–]DevilishRogue 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No doubt you are right to adopt a cautious approach considering how deliberately the views here are misrepresented by the other side but at the same time we need to be aware that kowtowing to sensibilities regarding how language used can only work against us as it effectively limits what we are allowed to say without repercussion. Feminist efforts to control language a la "Don't use 'mankind', use 'humanity'" and criticism of using the male pronoun as default are not designed to improve egalitarianism but to prevent criticism against them.

[–]goodmod 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We don't need to kowtow to sensibilities if we simply adhere to stating our principles clearly and accurately.

"Some women complaining" or "Many feminists complaining" are both true and non-generalistic.

[–]DefectiveLP 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]DefectiveLP 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good mod

[–]goodmod 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]istira_balegina 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

According to the law, you, as a man, have a right to go to work in a dress. I've never seen this tried yet though. Anyone want to be the trailblazer?

[–]Roguta 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bitch just put on a fucking cardigan. Or a shawl. Or a jacket. Or any one out of dozens of articles of clothing, that solve the cold problem while still preserving professional attire and even fashion requirements.

[–]Agitator77_ 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

One time I was at an event where men had to wear a solid white shirt and solid black tie with a half Windsor knot black pants a black belt black dress shoes whereas the women could where what they wanted I did not have a solid black belt so I wore a brown belt which looked ugly but I didn't care I was turned away at the door had to return home change my belt and was late

[–]xNOM 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

On the other hand, this keeps men from looking like complete idiots.

What the fuck is that on her head?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7099943/Ivanka-Trump-arrives-Westminster-Abbey-modeling-white-fascinator.html

Honestly thankful I don't have to deal with this shit as a man. On the other hand, it would be nice to not have to sweat to death in the summer.

[–]Crazycatgirl16 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm so done with hearing females complaining about work/school dress codes. It's not sexist, it's part of life. Just deal with it

[–]Criket 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is there something that women doesn't complain about with a full belly?

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is there something that women doesn't complain about

no. she will always find a reason to complain about something, in some way.

[–]southphillymamelah 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did you actually read the article you posted? Not all discussion of an issue is "complaining," even when it's women daring to have the discussion. I thought that was an interesting read, to the extent that any discussion of fashion can be interesting to me.

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