Self-Improvement is Masturbation

monsieurhire2 · 2013-12-12T20:52:35+00:00

This is true if all you want to do is fuck random girls. If you want to wind up women of quality, you need to improve yourself, because women of quality want men of quality, and they also want men to be better than them. If your goal is self-improvement, you don't have to worry that much about getting laid, because eventually you will have improved yourself beyond all the other men who settled for any hag that would have them as they started out, thinking they were "being true to themselves." Women will start to open you, engage you, and pursue you. That being said, the best women will still want to be chased, and you'll eventually have to muster up the courage to chase them. Therefore, think of all the women you date and pursue as practice, because the odds favor them being that anyway. Eventually you'll start getting with women of quality, although sometimes it will happen randomly.

Party_Liquor · 2013-12-12T20:15:40+00:00

I see your point. However, doing those self-improvement things might give those guys the self-confidence to actually go out and approach women. So, even if we accept your premise as true, those actions still have some merit.

Now, if the guys never get the self-confidence to actually go out and approach women, then you are 100% right and it is just masturbation.

[deleted] · 2013-12-12T20:14:57+00:00

Everyone needs to be "well rounded" to succeed.

chill_geddy · 2013-12-12T20:21:22+00:00

I am someone currently in this position. I've lifted for years, played guitar for years, I'm in school for engineering and almost done with it. I consider myself pretty happy and confident and I enjoy my circle of friends. My future looks really bright.

Yet, here I am: 21, still a virgin, got one number on the last year, no dates, maybe one hook up.

Now, after being here for months digesting material, scrubbing other blue pill behavior out of my life, I still feel really anxious trying to talk to women I'm interested in.

I don't know, I get in the rut of just coming here and just reading. I try to convince myself to act this way but it still gives me guilt and anxiety. I feel like I'm constantly fighting indoctrination with every turn (I was raised by a single mother who brainwashed me hard on the blue pill for 2 decades). Some of it has stuck, and having very red pill friends help, but it's a long process.

To add to this, I'm physically short. With so much talk here about being attractive/unattractive, it's really hard when out of the gate, before I even open my mouth, I am considered beta/unattractive from a physical standpoint. It closes way more doors than it opens.

So to get to the point of this, it fucking sucks. Its not a position I want to be in and I want to keep moving onward. I understand that I have to approach more women, you're right but, what else should I do? Should I take what I've learned and take a break from here? Should I invest my time in other places?

B32DB08170 · 2013-12-12T20:34:06+00:00

Self improvement has value outside of just getting sex. I train for my health and the utility/excitement it brings to my life. I love the sports/training I'm involved in.

I never saw it as a means of attaining status/sex in the first place. It was just something that I enjoyed.

pcadrian · 2013-12-13T00:02:16+00:00

I masturbate and pursue sex in equal measures. Heck, I masturbate WHILE I'm having sex!

IllimitableMan · 2013-12-12T22:40:45+00:00

Because in a way, getting ripped, getting more money, attaining knowledge, skills, hobies — all of these are easier than going out and facing rejection.

Not for me. Working out and shit is way harder. I couldn't give a shit about getting rejected by some random hoe.

gohammer3 · 2013-12-12T19:58:08+00:00

A phenomena that has plagued a lot of the dudes on the misc, " I'm gonna get women when I'm 205 lbs 8% bodyfat and until then I'm gonna ignore women.". Thats why the majority of the forum base are virgins or terrible with women despite being a body building forum.

Mr_Anderssen · 2013-12-13T00:36:09+00:00

Don't know why you view masturbation like that. I masturbate regardless of the amount of sex in my life.

Doctor_Mayhem · 2013-12-13T03:24:58+00:00

Eh... I dunno. I was an Omega all through high school, joined the military, lifted weights, went through each piece of the Vox Day hierarchy (Had my alpha-sigma moments, but not those by default), and.. gotta say... I often don't have to work to get women. Had women ask me out, met a girl through a friend, hung out, went straight for fingering her, and, holy fuck, she didn't get creeped out, got the bang second day on meeting her. So... "If you build it, they will come" is not entirely untrue.

GayLubeOil · 2013-12-13T07:28:06+00:00

Self Improvement is masturbation therefor by compulsively masturbating I am obviously improving myself. Soon I will achieve my final form!

dre_day4 · 2013-12-13T03:18:28+00:00

How am I supposed to meet girls anyways? Fulltime work, my few friends dont go out at all and wouldnt be going to a club or bar alone be weird? Cant give any fuck about that I suppose. Perhaps going solo will help kill my shyness

Gfresh404 · 2013-12-12T23:08:53+00:00

"Males who are unsuccessful with women are no so because women reject them a lot, but because they reject themselves too often, either by giving up too early or by not even trying at all." ~ W. Anton

Man I should just work for him promoting his book.

JamesRussells · 2013-12-12T20:41:13+00:00

Good advice if you want to end up a manchild with no personality like Roosh. You don't have to choose between approaching women and improving your life.

Exactly_what_I_think · 2013-12-12T20:33:59+00:00

Go outside! Meet women!

Start a journal write a blog. If you have noting to write about at the end of the day you have wasted the day. Don't let it happen often.

[deleted] · 2013-12-12T22:00:40+00:00

Find a balance that works for you. Right now, I'm willing to give up no more than part of 2 of my 7 days a week to women. That number has been lower and higher, and I find this calibration worked out for me and my personal needs. This allows me plenty of time to self-improve as well as plenty of opportunities to field-test any new attitudes/approaches/changes, as well as give me experience with women (which absolutely counts as self-improvement). When I get less than 2/7 nights a week--and only a few hours, at that, unless we're in LTR territory--I don't see the fruits of my labor enough. When I do more, I'm not making quick enough progress on my personal goals. Of course, this was after my BP years of giving 6/7 nights a week to orbiting girls, and then my loner/low-self-esteem/determined to improve days where it was often 0/7, or 1.

Find the percentage you like. My system lets me have 2 plates at a time, one serious prospect, and one backup, and plenty of time.

Doomsday_ · 2013-12-13T02:22:25+00:00

Obviously, it's important to work on both self-improvement and approaches.

Anything can become procrastination once it serves as an excuse to avoid what one is afraid of.

A man who has strong inner game and a solid frame shouldn't fear failure or rejection in pursuing any of his goals. Self-improvement should involve the focus on becoming that man who does not rely on any form of success or validation for his sense of self-worth.

Only by reaching this pinnacle of inner game can one become fully unplugged from the matrix and attain true freedom.

tallwheel · 2013-12-13T02:37:15+00:00

I don't know if I entirely agree, but that has always been a favorite quote of mine.

the99percent1 · 2013-12-13T03:47:22+00:00

Great advice op. The self improvement aspect means nothing if you do not APPROACH.

Things like youtube 'simple pick up' is a great starting point. So get out there and approach 3 girls today with the intent of getting their numbers.

jmikolash · 2013-12-13T06:29:17+00:00

Cold approach is tough for me, as I don't have any genuine interest in random strangers. I'll talk to the odd alpha male, because they're interesting and have a lot to say.

RP has helped big time with women that I already know, but a man needs more than 2 plates to eat off in a week. Have to find a way to interest myself in the cold approach game.

JamieValentine · 2013-12-14T15:28:55+00:00

I hear what your saying Mr. Durden;

now self destruction?

HermitCrabTuesday · 2013-12-13T11:34:40+00:00

/R/nofap This is a great place to get started.

[deleted] · 2014-06-10T03:55:06+00:00

I agree. My SMV is extremely low at the moment(then again, I'm nineteen and just beginning my self-improvement journey), but I don't care, I'm still going to have sex with that nerdy girl that likes me. That way I get some practice at sex and she gets to experience sex, two birds one stone. :)

HansJuan · 2013-12-13T04:22:34+00:00

This line is from fight club, but I don't think you are understanding it correctly. Trying to have sex with 10s as much as possible is mental masturbation too. Trying to get ripped, get a carrier, make money, buy cool stuff, all mental masturbation. Because you are just doing what society fucking tells you to do. You just do that to get recognition from others.

You are NOT living your own life. You are living other peoples dream lives. You have to find out what is important for YOU, and work on that. Yeah sure, some people do want carriers, money etc., they get a kick. But most people just follow the pack.

In the end what matters is that you try to accomplish your own goals, not what you think other people expect you to do.

autoNFA · 2013-12-12T22:04:23+00:00

Self-improvement without approaching women is masturbation, but the two aren't mutually exclusive.

googly_doosra · 2013-12-13T20:08:36+00:00

Go outside! Meet women!

why?

you are a dumb fuck.

Title	Self-Improvement is Masturbation
Author	redeleven
Upvotes	37
Comments	54
Date	December 12, 2013 7:42 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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