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Half of black children do not live with their father. And we wonder why they’re dying

JohnKimble111

January 14, 2019
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Title Half of black children do not live with their father. And we wonder why they’re dying
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Date January 14, 2019 2:55 AM UTC
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Comments

[–]ShylockSimmonz 166 points167 points168 points 7 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link

Good luck with trying to explain why black fathers are absent so much without being called a racist.

[–]nitzua 106 points107 points108 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

if you blame it on white people you should be safe from being called a racist

[–]heiland 63 points64 points65 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But it’s not white people’s fault, now is it

[+]orionilla1 points 7 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Is it ever white people's fault?

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Very few of the things blamed on whitey are actually their fault.

[–]miramardesign 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you blame Democrats welfare policies they always call you racist. It's their defence mechanism against all criticism and it works like a charm

[–]SpiritofJames 31 points32 points33 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Or a libertarian? It's the welfare state and the drug war.

[–]ShylockSimmonz 23 points24 points25 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The people to come at you wouldn't use as much logic as you just did.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Any libertarian I know will actually agree with the facts. Maybe I misunderstood your comment?

[–]HierEncore 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

women are favored over men in the workplace in education and practically everywhere else. Women who make significantly more money than men have no use to keep the father around. Just like female honeybees dragging the male drones out of the hive after sex, to die in the cold. It is what it is.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Personally, I blame LBJ for destroying the black family with his "Great Society" welfare programs. He disincentivized marriage by giving money to single mothers but not to married couples. Prior to his programs blacks were getting married at slightly higher rates than whites and there were far fewer problems in the black community.

[–]Chernoobyl 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I blame drugs, gangs, and hoodrat culture, personally, but yeah if we had less welfare incentives that would help

[–]richasalannister 19 points20 points21 points 7 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

A giant prison industrial complex + a system that profits off of putting people behind bars + American prisons being about storing people and not rehabilitation + anti male and anti black bias in the courts + everyone want a "tough on crime" politician + throwing people in prison for selling pot and other non violent expenses

[–]miserablesisyphus 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I couldn't read the article because of a paywall, but isn't this specific article about the UK?

[–]Cudi420 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You know this phenomenon is not exclusive to the US, right? The pattern is consistent throughout even countries that are majority black.

[–]conroy1 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Do you have any evidence for this claim ?

[–]ElectraUnderTheSea 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This article is from the UK, so that's one country.

[+]conroy1 -9 points-8 points-7 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Didn’t realize the UK was majority black. Another incel with an agenda or 90% of this sub lmao

[–]tmone 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You proved alot of the comments right.

The only defense you nuts have is a racism, sexism, incel defense. "dare question me and I'll call you an incel!!"

Lol. Fuckn npc's are too easy.

[–]pansimi 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

A giant prison industrial complex + a system that profits off of putting people behind bars + American prisons being about storing people and not rehabilitation

Definitely agree

anti male and anti black bias in the courts

Anti male yes, anti black no. Black overrepresentation in prison is caused by increased violent crime rates compared to other races, and tendency to be repeat offenders which leads to more severe sentences. Factor for those variables, and we're not distinct from any other race in terms of how we're treated in the courtroom.

everyone want a "tough on crime" politician

If there are going to be laws, they should be enforced well. Don't want the legal system letting murderers get away without punishment.

throwing people in prison for selling pot and other non violent expenses

This, a thousand times this. All laws prohibiting nonviolent behavior need to be ended, as the ultimate sentence will always be death in the case that a police officer is feeling trigger happy.

[–]VioletteToussaint 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

➡️ Why do you believe that men don't commit more crimes?

⏺️ Even with a biased system, 97% of the prisoners in France are men while ~50% of the population only is male so there must be more than discrimination happening here. In the US it's 93% for 50.8% females and 49.2% males.

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_gender.jsp

➡️ Why do you believe that blacks commit more crimes?

⏺️ It's forbidden to file people according to their race, religion or sexual orientation in my country (because WWII) so no stats here. In the US however it's 56% of black inmates with a 32% black US population. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States

⏺️ Here about blacks again (many other numbers here): black women incarceration rate is twice that of white women.

https://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/

⏺️ The gap here between the expected and observed population is clearly not as big as for men and women.

➡️What makes you decide that in one case, against all evidence, there is discrimination while in the other there is none?

[–]HelperBot_ -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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Incarceration in the United States

Incarceration in the United States is one of the main forms of punishment and rehabilitation for the commission of felony and other offenses. The United States has the largest prison population in the world, and the highest per-capita incarceration rate. In 2016 in the US, there were 655 people incarcerated per 100,000 population. This is the US incarceration rate for adults or people tried as adults.


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[+]richasalannister -6 points-5 points-4 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Biased much?

More men on prison: it's the system that's biased!!

More blacks: they commit more crimes.

You sound like a fucking feminist

[–]Chernoobyl 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Where do you live? Where I live, the majority of violent criminals are predominately black or hispanic. Top 10 most dangerous cities are, in fact. I'm sorry you equate factual reality with bias.

[–]richasalannister 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And I bet they're also committed by men

[–]wrekd 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well crimes do often take action so...

[–]richasalannister -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/opinions/wp/2018/09/18/theres-overwhelming-evidence-that-the-criminal-justice-system-is-racist-heres-the-proof/

[–]Chernoobyl -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah yes, racism is the cause of the massive amount of violent crime, got it - those damn white people causing all those minorities to join gangs and commit crimes! Also, washingtonpost, really? lol

[–]pansimi 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm biased in favor of the facts. Different factors contribute to both situations.

Men spend longer in prison, mainly due to human biological tendency to favor women. We are more likely to see them as vulnerable, as victims, as less accountable for the actions they've committed. That's nobody's fault, that's just our natural reaction. And it can manipulate even the most hardened of judges.

Black people do commit more violent crime. FBI statistics prove that they're responsible for disproportionate amounts of violent crime, relative to their percentage of the population. For example: while being about 13% of the population, they commit roughly half of murders. I don't make the statistics, I can only report them.

[–]richasalannister 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/opinions/wp/2018/09/18/theres-overwhelming-evidence-that-the-criminal-justice-system-is-racist-heres-the-proof/

[–]HexagonHobbes 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You sound like a fucking feminist

He sounds like the exact opposite of that, though.

[–]KDulius 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He was publically called a racist by a black Labour MP, who has previously made the exact same point... But then Labour here in the UK are nothing if not two faced scumbags (the same goes for the Tories and Lib Dems before someone uses this as proof I'm "far right" or some other bullshit)

[–]azazelcrowley 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They're dealing with the effects the rest of us are, and on top of that, the prison system taking some away for bullshit drug offences. It won't account for the full gap in itself, but fatherhood is a role that needs to be normalized. If you take away two fathers to prison, a third might get divorced from the woman being like "DONTNEEDNOMAN!" and so on and being egged on by her single friends, and a fourth might be like "Eh, I dunno how to be a father, guess i'll bail.".

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It IS partly cultural. It IS partly that they're less willing to be fathers. But the roots of that might be in institutional racism making fatherhood less of a norm in their community. It needs both positive action in terms of recognizing a cultural problem and working to fix it, and addressing the institutional racism, and addressing the institutional sexism with stuff like equal custody and parental leave and so on.

[–]Blackfoxdawn 62 points63 points64 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I tell people this all the time who believe in systematic/institutional racism. In America 70% of black boys don't have fathers and they grow up without direction which would be given to them by a father figure. Fathers are extremely important to a child. There would be much more success among black children if more had fathers still in their lives.

[–]tableender 40 points41 points42 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Checkout Thomas Sowells YouTube talks on this subject. he is fascinating. In the early 60s before welfare benefits took off in America there were more white children born out of wedlock than black. Black kids were more likely to be brought up by 2 parents than white kids. The figure for fatherless black kids was around 22%. 3 Generations of black women being encouraged to not have a man about and be married to the state instead and it jumped to 70% as you say,. massively outstripping the number of white kids.

[–]NohoTwoPointOh 20 points21 points22 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So much of this. Daddy Gub'mint was there, so there is ZERO incentive to select a good provider. Choose tingles and have the poor decision subsidized. Well-meaning white liberals are a HUGE piece of this shit pie.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Don't deflect all the blame from blacks. They are responsible for the individual choices they make. While LBJ disincentivized marriage, blacks still had the opportunity to marry just like whites. What LBJ and liberals have done by giving handouts instead of encouraging positive habits and culture is disgraceful but individual decisions by people about how to live their own lives carries more weight.

[–]NohoTwoPointOh 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What we are engaging in is root cause analysis. Because a lack of said analysis is the reason why America loves repeating history's mistakes over and over. If you find 'reasons' synonymous with 'excuses'' make sure that you are looking at the full spectrum of same block of history. Circumstances were much different pre-Vietnam.

And it wasn't so much disincentivizing marriage as it was incentivizing (if not subsidizing) thottery. If you see that as a root cause, many other things (including how a once proud culture eradicated into the mess you see today).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't disagree with you. I am simply pointing out that individual choices also had an impact and cannot be ignored or completely excused.

[–]GanttGuru 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Isn’t this welfare program available for all races? What motivates one race, specifically to abuse this system?

[–]Demonspawn 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What motivates one race, specifically to abuse this system?

Lower average IQ, ergo lower average earning potential.

Welfare fucks the bottom. It's just that, at the bottom, there are more blacks than whites or asians.

[–]jp_mra 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's hurt all races, just that one race was more hurt than the others.

[–]Blackfoxdawn 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll look him up. I've heard what I've heard about this from Stephan Molyneux.

[–]tableender 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's worse than just not living with their fathers. Because it is a community thing their aunties are the same so they have no uncles to guide them either. Then add the fact that a quarter of all junior schools have no men as teachers and 80% of teachers there are women anyway. For a large numbers of these boys the first example of a man to look up to they come across is a teacher when they get to High School, by which time large numbers of them have been lost to the influence of other young lads and gang culture.

[–]JohnKimble111[S] 22 points23 points24 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Article text:

I suspect that the first thing many of you thought when you heard that a 14-year-old boy, Jaden Moodie, had been knocked off his moped and stabbed to death in east London — the first thing after the wave of utter revulsion and pity at a young life wiped out — was: what is a kid of that age doing out at night illegally riding a moped?

And then you may have checked yourself, feeling slightly ashamed. A mean-spirited question. Who the hell are you to know? East London is a world away, and they do things differently there. And yet, as is often the case, your first response would have been the correct one, surely. A question that none of the authorities or community leaders has the stomach to address.

And so it will go on. The stabbings, the shootings. A 10-year high in fatalities last year in the capital, almost all black kids not very much older than Jaden. Many of them scarcely reported at all. Liddle’s Got Issues: Bias at the BBC

Poverty and racial inequality are the comfortable answers always given when something like this happens. It’s rot, PC rot. Usually the Labour MP David Lammy then complains about a lack of policing in problem areas, having previously criticised the police for stopping and searching black youngsters, a policy he described as racist. So he wants the police there, but not to do anything. More convenient rot.

However, the lack-of-policing argument struck a chord when I asked a friend of mine about Jaden’s death. Dr Tony Sewell runs a charity called Generating Genius, which has (very successfully) dragged poor black kids out of the ghetto and got them into Oxbridge and other Russell Group universities. He’s also a member of the Policy Exchange think tank and happens to be the son of Jamaican immigrants.

“Lack of policing is the answer,” he told me. “Not by the police, but by the parents, if the kids have any at all.” Sewell gets very agitated about this business, rightly. “Why are we making excuses regarding the absence of the fathers from these families?” he asks. At least 50% of black children have no dad living at home. “The problem is nobody wants to go there, for political reasons. The police don’t want to go there; nor do the social workers, the politicians or the black community itself, which then complains that it is being victimised. And so it is never, ever addressed.”

In a sense, then, the death of Jaden Moodie and all those others is a little like the Rotherham child sex abuse scandal: the root causes cannot be addressed because the various authorities are beholden to an ideology that precludes coming to a conclusion that could be construed as “racist”. Sewell also blames the myth of the brilliant African-Caribbean mum. Some black mothers do, indeed, work wonders despite the absence of a father; but not all can, and neither should they be required to. It is a culture that needs to change, for the sake of the children.

Then there’s the gangsta rap vids, posted on YouTube. “When there are interventions with problem black kids,” Sewell said, “it’s so often getting these youngsters to glorify gang culture by making rap videos. Isn’t this, you know, racist? The idea that all black kids have great rhythm and could be brilliant DJs? Is that all we have to offer?”

Little Jaden wasn’t filmed making a rap video — but he was photographed making the usual fatuous gangsta moves with his hands, and earlier seen posing holding wads of banknotes. The scumbags (not that much older) who knew him wanted him dead. It wasn’t an accident, a case of mistaken identity.

Fourteen years old. Born into utter hopelessness, with few prospects, because of a culture that another culture — the dominant, white, liberal culture — insists must not be gainsaid. You look at that kid in the photographs and think: where was Mum? More to the point, where was Dad? If we don’t ask those difficult questions, are we not complicit in these harrowing deaths?

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Hoaxer’s words fall on leftist ears The American philosopher Peter Boghossian is about to be sacked by his university for having duped various social science academic publications into accepting a series of hilarious spoof papers full of right-on, woke, made-up leftist bilge.

Perhaps his crowning moment was a dissertation on something called choice feminism, which was simply an entire chapter of Hitler’s arguably controversial memoir Mein Kampf, with a few buzzwords replaced here and there. But most of the stuff he made up was cheerfully given a berth by the dim-witted “experts” who run these fatuous publications. Including “The conceptual penis as a social construct” (which was, as Boghossian attests, 3,000 words of imbecilic drivel).

It’s no surprise, then, that Portland State University wants him out, as Boghossian’s hobby subjects its supposedly rigorous academic standards to side-splitting ridicule. And the means it has for getting him out are exquisitely Kafkaesque. Boghossian did not inform the publications’ editors that he was testing them by submitting spoof papers, so he contravened the academic code by using, effectively, involuntary guinea pigs to prove his thesis. Whoever dreamt that objection up should be in a Joseph Heller novel.

So it looks as though Boghossian’s for the chop, but those journals will go on flourishing. This week’s real academic papers include: “Lactation support and the LGBTQI community”; “‘You’re a woman, a convenience, a cat, a poof, a thing, an idiot’: Transgender women negotiating sexual experiences in men’s prisons in Australia”; and “The importance of disclosure: lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender/transsexual, queer/questioning, and intersex individuals and the cancer continuum”.

Auntie’s Icons con Huge congratulations to the late South African president Nelson Mandela on being voted slightly more iconic than three other leaders by BBC viewers of the fabulous show Icons. The gentle-natured former terrorist was considered more iconic than Margaret Thatcher and that fat old racist Winston Churchill. Franklin D Roosevelt didn’t get a look-in.

The series continues through other categories – artists, scientists, activists and so on — until a grand X Factor-style final, where viewers will vote to decide who is the most iconic: David Bowie, Marie Curie, Mandela or Helen Keller, for example.

With the possible exception of Monkey Tennis, which was at least fictional, has there ever been a more fatuous concept for a television programme?

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[–]Yipsta 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Mvp

[–]thewonderfularthur 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Mvp wouldn't copy the next article though. 2ndmvp.

[–]kaffirdog 35 points36 points37 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Facts are racist. Truthcrime. Weird its the same in every culture of blacks, all 57 countries in Africa plus canada uk usa france germany etc.

[–]Blackfoxdawn 35 points36 points37 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I know in the 70's that 70%+ of black children grew up with a father in the household and arrest rates were about the same as white people. After the breakdown of the black family we now have 70% of black children who have no father growing up and crime rates shot through the roof. It's sad that feminists downplay the importance of having a father in a child's life.

[–]wateroclock 13 points14 points15 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It was over 2 times that of Whites in the 70’s though. Source.

[+]conroy11 points 7 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Does that make you feel better about your pathetic life

[–]MisterMejor -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You’re white af.

[–]conroy1 -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol facs

[–]jp_mra 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While in the Netherlands, I was shocked to see blacks acting the same as if they grew up in a bad US neighborhood. They were selling crack, smoking weed (ok, that's legal there, but still), walking around with pants down to their knees, yelling immaturely and generally acting like they were up to no good. The only difference was that they were speaking Dutch.

[–]Philip8000 9 points10 points11 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In the United States, it's only about one in five. If you go into the inner city, having an intact family is the exception, not the rule.

[–]KiloYankee5E1F 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link

Females cannot raise males. They end up inept or they rebel and go to prison.

[–]nocivo 22 points23 points24 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I just listen to a story about a mom who called the cops so her boy got out of the bed. The cop arrived and told the kid to brush his teeth, eat and go to school. The buy did it in a second.

What some kids miss is some authority. The state can’t do it.

[–]thwip62 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The cop arrived and told the kid to brush his teeth, eat and go to school.

Shouldn't he have told him to eat before brushing his teeth?

I've been waiting for the cops to find out who committed fraud with my bank card for over a month now. Maybe they're too busy playing daddy to lazy kids.

[–]VioletteToussaint 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

So should women stop caring for these boys and let men do the job?

[–]KiloYankee5E1F 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No, but we should stop collectively believing that mothers are the more capable parent - demonstrably untrue - and not incentive/"empower them to discontinue relations with the father. Most single mothers are single mothers, and for petty reasons. Fathers not wanting to stick around in general is a myth; that's the exception not the rule. The ball is usually in the mother's court and how she deals with it is usually careless. Nothing says good parenting like having four babies with different dads that they don't see.

What I'm saying is we need to stop making fathers shoulder the blame; that's not at all fair and is not productive. We need to stop "empowering" young girls to go out and breed prematurely and frequently like dumb sows or whatever because you can almost guarantee that her kids are going to be disasters. And that behavior is not uncommon.

[–]VioletteToussaint -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Fathers not wanting to stick around in general is a myth; that's the exception not the rule.

Do you have references to back up your claim?

From what I know, when fathers ask for children custody in court they get it fairly if they were the primary caregiver. They just don't ask for it and/or are not the primary caregiver.

https://www.divorcenet.com/resources/divorce/for-men/divorce-for-men-why-women-get-child-custody-over-80-time

Also you have all the teen fathers, accident fathers, etc. who usually don't stick around because... Women cannot run away from pregnancy passed a certain point. Men do. They don't naturally breastfeed either so it's logical than women are most of the time the primary caregiver.

Below are a few stats from a Pew Research Center analysis of the National Survey of Family Growth (NSFG) released in June of 2011.

According to DivorcePeers.com, the majority of child custody cases are not decided by the courts.

In 51 percent of custody cases, both parents agreed -- on their own -- that mom become the custodial parent.

In 29 percent of custody cases, the decision was made without any third party involvement.

In 11 percent of custody cases, the decision for mom to have custody was made during mediation.

In 5 percent of custody cases, the issue was resolved after a custody evaluation.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dispelling-the-myth-of-ge_b_1617115

Advice?

The more involved a father can be with his infant and young child, the closer the bond will be. Especially if you want joint custody, you will need to learn how to provide the support and care your young child needs.

Because in the end what matters is the best interest of the child, not the best interest of his parents.

[–]VioletteToussaint 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny how when you disagree and give facts, numbers and references some people simply disagree without giving any argument.

[–]Kilir -7 points-6 points-5 points 7 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

Blanket generalizations are fun. Especially when they're wrong.

[–]azazelcrowley 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The overwhelming majority of women have a strong in group bias that men lack. Without a father figure the boy will internalize their chauvinism and have a distorted view of his role and so on, as well as an overly positive view of women. It is not surprising plenty of these boys go out and try to be tough and get resources by any means necessary, they are raised to think they are good for nothing else, especially in the context of many of these mothers constant rants about how the father is a deadbeat or a failure in one way or another that they blithely spout without considering the impact on the boy because they have internalized a pathology from feminism that renders them incapable understanding the character of their behavior and the harm it causes others due to a feminist view of women and sexism. Fatherlessness is measurably toxic and leads to bad outcomes for society.

[–]Kilir 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree that this is very often the case. I notice you didn't have to stoop to claiming that this is a guarantee in 100% of cases like the other gentleman, which is what I took issue with. There's no need to be mirrors of the hardcore feminists, but on men's side. They don't help their side when they bash all men as if they are incapable of something solely because of their sex. People like the original commenter here are just as bad. He is confirming their mindsets with his kind of behavior. We shouldn't do it to women either, that gets us absolutely nowhere and shuts down all attempts at fixing the problem.

[–]azazelcrowley 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I wouldn't begrudge womens advocates using sloppy language in their spaces. I would expect us to be more careful in other areas when pushing our arguments, but this is a place for us and we shouldn't have to be on guard around eachother.

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There's a difference between a comment here for instance, and a womenaretrash hashtag in a public space.

[–]Kilir -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think blatant sexism is appropriate in any space, even here. We can make our points without resorting to that kind of behavior. It hurts us all in the long run.

[–]VioletteToussaint 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you.

[–]KiloYankee5E1F 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

That's the snarky, reckless attitude that enables the boy crisis. You're part of the problem.

[–]joeydeuce 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You say all women fail at raising males and one person speaks out against such generalizations and you attack them. Why are we upvoting this person? It’s sexist and everyone knows it. “All males fail at raising females” would be too obviously

[–]KiloYankee5E1F 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stats back up the single motherhood phenomenon. It's devastating to society. I generalized because I don't appreciate that most single mothers are single by choice for petty and selfish reasons and it hurts kids. I care more about them than I care about single mothers. Even if a single mother does a halfway decent job, he's still crippled without a male role model. It's not sexist, it's just not the feminist bullshit you're used to.

[–]Kilir 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm happy to hear others standing up against it, it's a bit sad to see how common his mindset is. I can't blame people saying what they do about this sub with people like that here. This kind of space is too important to ruin it with that kind of behavior. It makes us all look bad.

[–]KiloYankee5E1F 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And he knew that I was generalizing with the presumption that everyone knows that there's always exceptions, but who cares its not enough.

[–]Kilir -6 points-5 points-4 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

2 for 2 there champ!

[–]KiloYankee5E1F 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

You're awfully confident in defending something that is widely considered a bane on society. Obviously there are exceptions, but too few to matter.

[–]Kilir 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I haven't defended anything. That's just you jumping to conclusions. All I've done is point out your sexist, flawed generalization for what it was.

To imply that 100% of boys raised by single mothers are incapable of a raising a child that isn't a criminal or "inept" is a despicable mindset that you should be ashamed of. People like you are the ones who give the impression to others that this sub is a cesspool of women hate.

Is there a problem? Of course. Do single mothers have a disadvantage in this regard? Without a doubt. That doesn't give you or anyone else the right to throw every single one of them under the bus.

[–]KiloYankee5E1F 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

God you're such a prick. I literally acknowledged that it wasn't all of them and now you're calling me sexist. What a douche.

I really don't care, regardless. There are far bigger problems than the feelings and need for validation of a few single mothers. Get off your high horse and go back to rFeminism.

[–]Kilir 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

So you are retracting your original statement I take it? If so, I'll gladly take back my accusation. But backpedaling a few comments in doesn't absolve you of making the claim in the first place, and it was an objectively sexist statement. Resorting to ad hominem attacks doesn't really help you here either.

[–]goodmod[M] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've removed the rest of this thread because it's degenerated into a name-calling session.

This is pointless.

[+]KiloYankee5E1F1 points 7 years ago [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Yeah go fuck yourself, girl scout. Don't forget your anal-retentive twat card. Narcissist.

[+]Kilir1 points 7 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Not sure if you're quite aware of the irony here. You are literally the person you hate. Using terms like "femsplaining" like its candy and making sweeping blanket statements about all women...you are those people. Just on the other side of the aisle. With people like you around, it's no wonder why this sub is viewed the way it is. What a shame. This is why we can't have nice things.

[–]goodmod[M] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've removed the rest of this thread because it's degenerated into a name-calling session.

This is pointless.

[–]VioletteToussaint 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry but all this is just a messy hasty interpretation of numbers on a complex social issue by very sensitive non-scientific people just making up explanations without even checking the actual numbers...

Also you need to demonstrate the origin of the bias if you find discrepancies between your expected and observed populations. You can't simply say "That's because YOUR PERSONAL OPINION", that's useless.

Please give references or you won't be better than the hardcore dogmatic feminists you're (rightfully) criticising.

[–]Minsc_and_Boo_ -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

the drug war destroyed the black family in america

[–]NohoTwoPointOh 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This started before the drug war. Welfare "reform" of the early 70's.

[–]Flowman 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They worked in tandem. The welfare state made it so women would get means-tested out of benefits if they had a man in the home and then the drug war put the excess amount of men into prison. It's a feedback loop.

[–]theanchorman05 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No no it didn't.....Black culture (glorifying violence, rap, sex, ghettos and murder) has done a good job of doing it on its on.

[–]Minsc_and_Boo_ -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

wow youre stupid

[–]theanchorman05 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No just a black guy who has studied the demise of his people a great deal and it's you're.

[–]Minsc_and_Boo_ 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not enough, then.

The urban subculture is a product of, and not the cause of, the abhorrent circumstances in black america

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