Slap on the wrist for killing own child. Wow, just wow.

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Women kill 1 million babies each year on abortions in the USA alone
Mothers kill their children twice as much as fathers
Not counting "sudden death" cases that go unexplained
Women get a pussy pass on killing their families

Seriously what is wrong with these bitches?

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Well then fuck you all bastards then

Fuck you baby killers

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Then when life begins then? It is a baby. I am nor religious but I know that human life is precious at any form

It strikes me how you liberal fuckers cry for Cecil and Harambe but have no qualm to dump a human being in the trash can. You are all inhumanly cold hearted killers.

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Look. I'd never have an abortion unless my life was a stake. I've actually gone trough 5 1/2 years of infertility and am currently 10 weeks pregnant, so believe me when I say I love this shit out of this baby and my child.

There is one simple fact that is the end all be all of the abortion debate. A person can not be forced by anyone to use their body to keep someone else alive. Say for some reason a parent, spouse, or even your own child needed blood/an organ and for some reason you where the only viable match. No one could force you to use your body to keep them alive.

Women can not be forced to use their body to keep a fetus alive if they do not wish to do so.

People talk about this right to life or whatever. But the fact is, the right to use someone's body to stay alive doesn't exist. For anyone.

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Oh a fucking vagina wants to lecture me!

Go fuck yourself you cunt

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faced with facts

Im facing murder, not facts

I double dare you to watch this video until the end.

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Out of curiosity, if we found a bundle of cells on another planet, would we call it life? So, why is the bundle of cells suddenly not life, when it is a fetus?

You are incredibly wrong about there not being a heartbeat before the third trimester. You can actually see it at the 6 week mark, and is called a fetal pole. Source, army medic who did tons of vaginal ultrasounds for soldiers families. You are also wrong about the brain, as that also forms just after the heart, and has measurable activity. Then, on the third reason you gave, motor activity, that starts in the second trimester, as any pregnant women will tell you.

You are just blatantly wrong from a medical standpoint, and I think you should do some research next time. This stuff is all easy to find with a quick Google search. Pretty hilarious you have such a strong view on this topic, and are so wildly ignorant on it at the same time.

Now that you know this, does it change your view? I mean, every reason you believe abortion to be legal and just gave, was factually and demonstrably incorrect. Now that you know that, why do you still oppose abortion? All of that happens in the first trimester, minus motor activity, which begins shortly after brain development, in the beginning of the second trimester.

Who is really propogating nonsense here? Seriously, every reason you gave to support abortion, is completely wrong from a medical standpoint. For some reason, I doubt it will change be your mind. Most people just further entrench in their beliefs. Which I assume you will do, or at least change the subject.

Sauce. http://americanpregnancy.org/while-pregnant/first-trimester/

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I think that pushing personal responsibility is the key. Currently, if you even dare to tell a woman she shouldn't have fucked so and so guy, without protection or taking your BC right, you may just get punched in the face. If we made people go to a class after they have the abortion to educate them on how choices have consequences, you are shaming womens sexuality.

Even so, the idea that birth control has given women more power and control isn't a logical deduction of the statistics either. Women's happiness is in sharp decline since birth control became widely available, and the civil Rights movement kicked off. Surely you won't tell me women are less free now, than before the first feminist movement. It actually seems like it has taken power away from women. Before BC, sex was seen more as a way of concieving a child, than simple pleasure. They basically gave up their biggest piece of bargaining power when it comes to a relationship. Now, men have become accustomed to women who have sex far more easily than fifty years ago. This is because the real risk of getting pregnant, and not being able to get an abortion, was a very real possibility. So, sex was under lock and key. Now, if a women doesn't put out quickly, the man will just find another in our society, as plenty of women are willing to, simply because the risk of becoming pregnant is significantly lower, and even if she does become pregnant, she can get an abortion. So, they have created a scenario whereas before, they controlled sex. Now, men do more so, simply because of birth control and legal abortions.

You would think that by introducing birth control and abortion to a society as a whole would stop single motherhood. Which is the single biggest deciding factor of how that person will do in life. A female child, raised by a single mom, has about a 30% chance of becoming pregnant as a teenager compared to about 4% when a father is in the picture. A funny thing happened when birth control came out. Single motherhood increased exponentially, especially in minority communities, where the number often reaches 70-80%. So, we have a ton of single moms, raising little ladies who have drastically increased risk of things like trouble with the law, drug addiction, even more unwanted pregnancies, all while now having to work full time to support the kid you don't even get to spend a significant amount of time with, and the cycle continues.

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So, why is the bundle of cells suddenly not life, when it is a fetus?

Nobody said it's not life, but because its continued survival is dependent on the body of another person, and the United States government does not have the power to compel someone to violate the bodily autonomy of an individual on the sole basis of saving another individual's life.

For some reason, I doubt it will change be your mind.

That's a pretty safe bet, given that I'm sure we're all perfectly aware that when most laymen refer to brain activity in the context of abortion, they're actually referring to even the most rudimentary form of consciousness, rather than a simple repeating impulse from the brain stem that keeps the heart beating and the uncontrolled firing of neurons responsible for limbic movement.

Even insects have the latter two, it's the first one that makes a person a person, and they just don't have it at that stage of development.

Who is really propogating nonsense here?

That would be the both of you, the only real difference is that one of you is genuinely ignorant, while the other deliberately feigning ignorance for the sake of their position.

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I'm curious how you are certain that a fetus doesn't have consciousness? Could you point me to the study that proves that?

Even so, you are going a different route than i at this point. The question still remains of, if an adult can consent to sex, they have to be on some level consenting to having a child. I don't think there are many adults who are unaware that sex leads to pregnancy, and when you have sex, there is always the possibility. If you can't handle that responsibility, you sure as hell aren't capable of making decisions pertaining to raising a child.

I fully support applications to have offspring. If you apply, and are turned down, and have the kid anyways, you should pay a higher tax rate. Otherwise, it comes out of my check to put your ill thought out bastard through school, pay for the healthcare the parents probably can't afford, etc. Why should I pay for other people's bad decisions, instead of having them pay for it themselves? If you're poor, I'm sorry, but you shouldn't be having kids either. Not until you are financially stable and can provide a decent life for them.

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I'm curious how you are certain that a fetus doesn't have consciousness? Could you point me to the study that proves that?

The short answer is because we've taken them out of the womb at that stage of development before, and there's just nothing there.

A longer, though still simplified, explanation is that we know this due to the presence of certain chemicals such as pregnanolone which the mother's body naturally produces and delivers into the fetus, keeping it permanently sedated and anesthetized long before even a rudimentary nervous system has developed. After the process of birth, these chemicals are oxidized when the infant begins to draw breath on its own and subsequently flushed out of its tissues, allowing consciousness to occur.

Other "building block" developments, such as mimicry and basic self awareness, then occur within the next two or three months, and develop onward from there.

The question still remains of, if an adult can consent to sex, they have to be on some level consenting to having a child.

No, no it really doesn't remain. In fact, it's a question that was definitively answered for the United States a matter of decades ago.

I really don't know what more to tell ya, chap.

I fully support applications to have offspring. If you apply, and are turned down, and have the kid anyways, you should pay a higher tax rate. Otherwise, it comes out of my check to put your ill thought out bastard through school, pay for the healthcare the parents probably can't afford, etc. Why should I pay for other people's bad decisions, instead of having them pay for it themselves? If you're poor, I'm sorry, but you shouldn't be having kids either. Not until you are financially stable and can provide a decent life for them.

Okay?

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The end was more to just give a solution, and not just what I see as a sole problem.

Interesting about the prednanolone. I assumed something like this occured as a body is taken out of the womb. Reactions would need to take place allowing the baby to make the switch.

Roe v Wade is what I assume you are referring to. I would simply add that the issue of abortion is not evenly split among the population. There is still much conjecture about the case and how to interest it. Also, Roe v Wade has in place provisions to allow states to set forth regulations on abortion. Such as, time limits on when you can have the procedure done within.

It is still almost evenly split among public consensus. I think the reason why the argument keeps spinning is because we disagree on a fundamental level in regards to abortion. I'm really against late term abortion only. The best thing is to reduce the number of them that happen, I think we agree there. I would still rather see more in the way of personal responsibility when it comes to bringing a human life into existence. I simply believe there is something in the way of higher consciousness existing after a certain point of time during a pregnancy. That's where we will probably always disagree. It may not be fully human, but I still believe we shouldn't be killing them. At least not on a whim because a person hasn't thought it through. Again, that costs society in the long run.

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Why does the women not have the autonomy to take a medication like thalidomide

She does. Same as she has the autonomy to drink bleach, or ingest radioisotopes.

But nobody has the obligation to provide any of those things to her, and possession of those things may be illegal in and of itself without the right authorization.

Do you see the point I'm making? Serious question. In one case we are saying that we need to protect the fetus from harm, but on the other hand, killing it is ok. What is the logic here?

Legally, in the United States, it works like this: You don't have the right to kill the fetus. You have the right to remove the fetus, and the unfortunate fact that it's unable to sustain itself afterward is a byproduct.

Similarly, should a child, parent, sibling, or even stranger undergo something like kidney failure, you're not obligated to provide them with one of your own kidneys. But, you don't suddenly have the right to kill them. Their impending death is considered a failing of their own body, one which you're not obligated to correct using yours.

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Legally, in the United States, it works like this: You don't have the right to kill the fetus. You have the right to remove the fetus, and the unfortunate fact that it's unable to sustain itself afterward is a byproduct.

Not accurate. Under the law a baby has no rights as it not considered a life until the 2nd-3rd trimester. A person's right to bodily autonomy does not make it legal to kill incidental offenders of said autonomy. The only reason abortion is legal is because the people like yourself jump through logical hoops trying to justify killing an unborn baby.

I also think you may have a very naive understanding of how abortion works. Baby's are not simply removed from the mother. Understating the volent and destructive means of killing a baby as removal is absurd. There is no consideration for the life of the baby, as it is not considered alive. Trying to say it's death is just a matter of nature taking its course is entirely disingenuous.

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Go fuck yourself you idiot retard

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Stop this Down syndrome spiel

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There are clear an obvious differences between a fertilized egg and a tumor. A tumor does not have the natural capacity to be an independent life form, as a zygote will often do. Life does not begin until the egg is fertilized by the sperm. Neither sperm nor egg will become a fetus alone. The masturbation argument is nonsensical.

Abortion is commonly used as a birth control technique, whether the parents don't feel ready, or aren't financially stable enough to care for the child, they still have a responsibility to the life they have created. In those cases where pregnancy threatens the life of the mother, of course abortion is justified.

The concept of the "unborn child" is a real one, and cannot be solely applied to those children who are wanted.

However, there are some important addenda which must be attached to a pro-life/anti-abortion argument in order to remain logically consistent and humane:

--pro comprehensive sex education (prevents unwanted pregnancies)

--pro affordable and accessible birth control (prevents unwanted pregnancies)

--pro universal healthcare (pregnancies and babies are expensive)

--pro affordable adoption (adoption is expensive)

--pro gay adoption rights (want to provide the child a loving home)

--pro paid family leave (missing work is expensive)

--pro affordable childcare (childcare is expensive)

--pro SNAP/WIC/food stamps (feeding a child is expensive)

--pro equal education (good schools are expensive)

--pro higher education funding (college is expensive)

--pro living wage (supporting a child is expensive)

--pro criminal justice reform (protect all lives)

--anti death penalty (protect all lives)

--willing to support all of these things with tax dollars and the vote

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Title	Slap on the wrist for killing own child. Wow, just wow.
Author	chiller119
Upvotes	517
Comments	116
Date	March 24, 2017 2:29 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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