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Man being blasted over the media as proof of rape culture found innocent of Tindr date murder when audio and witness evidence comes out at trial that she was deranged, abused him and refused to leave before idiotically falling to her death trying to climb down balcony

FindMeTheTruth

October 22, 2016
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-20/gable-tostee-not-guiltyl-warriena-wright-fatal-balcony-fall/7928346
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Title Man being blasted over the media as proof of rape culture found innocent of Tindr date murder when audio and witness evidence comes out at trial that she was deranged, abused him and refused to leave before idiotically falling to her death trying to climb down balcony
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FindMeTheTruth

Upvotes 2411
Comments 168
Date October 22, 2016 1:55 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/PussyPassDenied
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Comments

[–]subbookkeepper139 points 9 years ago [recovered] (10 children) | Copy Link

I wish they'd stop calling it "a date"

This guys parents had to sell their house to pay for his legal fees too.

[–]Guyrannosaurus_Tex 36 points37 points38 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most expensive Tindr date ever?

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

niggers are niggers and you're a nigger too

[–]stationhollow67 points 9 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

He will likely sue the media and possibly local police. The local police are corrupt as fuck and there is no reason this should have ever gone to trial. He had previous issues with them arresting him falsely and planting evidence but he had recorded the incident's audio and it got him off.

The media told blatant lies about him.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good Coast police corrupt?????? I-... I simply CANNOT believe what I am hearing, the NERVE OF you to suggest that somehow the police of this great cesspool are CORRUPT?

Next you'll be saying that's the very reason the Foley is renowned for its bikie presence and crime. You, redditor, are a liar.

[–]bigtfatty 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The lawyers always win

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

damn that's awful.

[+]Prophet6 -8 points-7 points-6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why not date, would a better term be hook up, sexual appointment?

[–]thisishowiwrite 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Casual fuck".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The old pump and dump.

Or, more appropriately, the slop and drop.

[–]OniTan 145 points146 points147 points 9 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

If you want to slog through the transcript, she was a crazy drunk bitch who kept hitting him.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3857050/The-transcript-Gable-Tostee-Warriena-Wright-said-drunken-hours-fatal-fall-revealed-bizarre-recording-phone.html

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 9 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Why did he not call the police?

[–]subbookkeepper338 points 9 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Because they'd arrest him

[–]volunteervancouver 58 points59 points60 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the true answer

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

aaaaand that's what this subreddit is all about! now do the hokey-pokey and throw yourself from a balcony!

[–]OnSnowWhiteWings106 points 9 years ago* [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link

Calling the police when you're a guy in a domestic abuse situation is one of the worst things to do. You may as well hand her the phone and let her explain the situation.

[–]verbotenkek 44 points45 points46 points 9 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

I have had to call the police in a domestic violence situation after my drunk ex went psycho because I wouldn't let her manipulate me with crocodile tears.

I suppose I was lucky that she couldn't control herself and was still screaming at me when the cops came. Then she tried to say I hit her.. I showed the cops the scratches on my neck so they arrested her and took her away.

There were other occasions too when the cops came over, one time I had to knock her out, she had been drinking heavily and put on so much weight that she was bigger than me. She was not letting me leave the house, literally had me around the waist while I was pushing her off trying to get out the door. Then when I said it was over for good that time it was like a switch flicked in her brain and she jumped up and came at me swinging, I was forced to knock her out. The cops came and took her away but not before she tried saying I beat her and all this other crazy shit.

It depends on the situation but these days if anything like that started happening I would get my phone out and start recording.

edit* WTF there is a website that steals reddit comments and makes them into articles.

[–]stationhollow 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't have worked in this scenario. She apparently had a ton of bruises and cuts on her from self harm.

[–]slurp_derp2 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Were you dating Ronda Rousey...

[–]verbotenkek 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No just someone who turned into an aggressive, fat, alcoholic meth addict who thought I would put up with her shit.

[–]jbaum517 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd be out the second my SO tried meth once.

[–]verbotenkek 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was young, dumb and thought I was in love.. lesson learnt.

[+]5hootermcg -17 points-16 points-15 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Is anyone else reading the same thing i just read?

[–]southsideson 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, I got google ultron, it compresses entire articles down to one pixel that my brain can easily process.

[–]ProfBunimo 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes we did.

[–]WillyWasASheepDog 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why?

[–]truthseeeker 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It depends where you live. Recently in some locations more women than men were arrested for domestics.

[–]OniTan 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because he was drunk?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, based on my experiences and a cousin's of mines experiences. You want your lawyer to have the evidence first or at least a copy of it. Cops tend to "lose" evidence that can exonerate you or serves as exculpatory evidence.

Cousin of mine had a false accusation of rape against him so when he got called he brought a copy of the video to the police department. Cops lost the copy that he told them was his only copy (lied to the cops and yes they tried to go after him for that lie) and when his lawyer requested a copy of it during discovery. A copy couldn't be found and there was no report by any detective of what was on the tape, but a tape was logged into evidence.

So as part of his turnover he produced a video tape and it became an issue at the pre-trial conference. The prosecutor wanted it excluded because they hadn't had time to watch it and my cousin's lawyer reminded the judge that it wasn't his client's fault that the cops had "lost" their copy. So the judge ordered a continuance to let the prosecutor have time to watch it and conduct discovery. From there the case was dropped a month later.

Also, a good lawyer tells every client to call him first because people often run their mouths to the cops in a panic. I never meet with the client, I just advise them to keep their mouth shut and wait for me to bail them out (parents of client or client usually has a retainer with me for bail or I get money from the family).

So the cops are only left with the version that the attorney has sanitized for the client's behalf. And the cops can't produce testimony created by them pressuring the client to make otherwise incriminating statements that are based on fear rather than truth.

[–][deleted] 284 points285 points286 points 9 years ago* (46 children) | Copy Link

They met on tinder in Oz, she's a Kiwi.

Went out then got drunk / hooked up at his apartment.

She went mental, physically assaulted him, refused to leave apartment by staying on balcony.

He locked her out on balcony and went out for pizza.

She fell to her death.

[–]angrytwerker 129 points130 points131 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Thumbnail pic is of him enjoying his pizza.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Ordered a Domino's Supreme pizza

[–]noogai131 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I guess you could say he's a..

Supreme Gentleman.

[–]coffeebag 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is this refrencing what I think its referencing.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[–]LemonyFresh 50 points51 points52 points 9 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

I don't believe the guy is guilty, but you're distorting the facts a little. It should be something more like this:

  • They met on tinder in Oz, she's a Kiwi.

  • Went out then got drunk / hooked up at his apartment.

  • She went mental, physically assaulted him. refused to leave apartment by staying on balcony. He got her in a headlock at which point she asked to leave the apartment.

  • He forced her out on to the balcony and locked the door. and went out for pizza.

  • She tried to climb to the balcony below and fell to her death.

  • He called his lawyer and then slipper out the back door of the hotel to get some pizza.

  • He then called his dad and said he thinks she fell from the balcony.

Certainly not guilty of murder or deserving of the slander campaign that the media have mounted. But he didn't help his case either.

[–]tvs_jimmy_smits 57 points58 points59 points 9 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

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[–]LemonyFresh 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She went mental, physically assaulted him

But yeah, by the sounds of it she was acting very erratically.

[+][deleted] -42 points-41 points-40 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

if he could force her to the balcony he could force her to his front door so it seems like balcony was a chance to imprison her so he mansplain later

[–]Hwxbl 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Mansplain will never be a thing for 1. Secondly it was the nearest lockable door to them whilst she was attacking him. Read up or shut up

[–][deleted] 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I thought my comment was funny but sometimes you get booed off the stage

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

it came off like you actually believed that

because honestly, yeah, it comes off like he did keep her on the balcony instead of kicking her out for a reason, but I think the use of the word "mansplain" in a comment that could be taken seriously is what fucked ya

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

satire posts never go over well in these type of subreddits but that doesnt stop me from thinking its funny. I give huge credit to subs like /r/pussypassdenied or on the opposite side /r/thebluepill because they let downvotes speak instead of banning

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah this sub doesn't like if you show an inkling of understanding for both sides sometimes

[–]greyhunter4 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What I don't get is how he can force her out on the balcony and not out of his apartment? The guy is like twice her size. If I had a crazy bitch with me I'd be throwing her out of the apartment not locking her on my balcony. Him cussing at her and stuff is kind of weird, him recording the date is weird, and him throwing her on the balcony and not out of his apartment is weird.

[–]Grammar-Hitler 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What I don't get is how he can force her out on the balcony and not out of his apartment? The guy is like twice her size. If I had a crazy bitch with me I'd be throwing her out of the apartment not locking her on my balcony. Him cussing at her and stuff is kind of weird, him recording the date is weird, and him throwing her on the balcony and not out of his apartment is weird.

Good thing he wasn't on trial for weirdness.

[–]jeffecation 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd imagine he was much closer to the balcony than his front door. Imagine you're trying to overpower someone who is flailing violently. Would you carry them through your house with all your valuables around, or just lock them in the nearest place possible?

[–]greyhunter4 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah they're definitely getting booted out of my fucking house. I'll take the extra effort. That's what the full nelson is for.

It's just odd the way he talks to her kind of dominantly, says he should throw her off the balcony, and concedes that he threw her 'on the balcony.' Serious or not he threatened her life with the throwing her off the balcony comments, then he goes and locks her on the balcony. It's not a good looking situation. I feel like he might of recorded what he did to make up his story. I don't know any "nice guy" sociopaths that record dates.

[–][deleted] 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]LemonyFresh 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think that was before she fell though right? Like in a 'I should throw you off the balcony' way after she hit him a few times.

[+][deleted] -24 points-23 points-22 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I wasn't distorting the facts, just posting what I knew (which was less than you).

There is no doubt in my mind that he is responsible for her death.

Legal system not justice system.

[–]Greenzoid2 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd better be careful who I associate with in my own apartment, if they get too violent I might be responsible when they kill themself /s

[+][deleted] -9 points-8 points-7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She should have broken the glass but she was already in an irrational state. The relatively rational individual made the situation worse.

[–]bsbbtnh 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I started reading your comment as a poem for some reason.

[–]reddituser5k-37 points 9 years ago [recovered] (18 children) | Copy Link

To me it sounds like he killed her. Three times he mentioned death by balcony, mentions how he is recording it as if he can make it sound like hes innocent, and the last time the girl is heard shes begging to let him let her leave.......... Honestly I did not read through every line or anything but seems strange.

1.09am: Tostee says that he 'doesn't think there is anything after this, you die and that is it' and says, 'throw me off the balcony and that is it. This is it, boom.'

1.49am: Tostee says that people with white coats are going to come in and states that she would jump off the balcony.

2.15.31am: Tostee says, 'I thought you were kidding and I have taken enough. This is f*ing bull ... you are lucky I haven't chucked you off my balcony you god damn psycho little b ... who the f* do you think you ..'.

pretty strange to be that specific...... then 5 minutes later...

Wright: 'No, no, no, no, no. (screaming).'

Tostee: 'It is all on recording you know. It is all being recorded.

Wright: 'No no no no no no no no no no no no. Just let me go home.'

Tostee: 'I would but you have been a bad girl.' Sound of door sliding shut.

Wright: 'Just let me go home. Just let me go home.' Last words of 'just let me go home'. Tostee- heavy breathing. Faint scream detected.****

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

He seems psycho. Like, I'd be pissed too if a girl I just fucked went psycho on me, but if she's expressing a desire & begging to leave my apartment Id graciously oblige. The sooner she's actually out of my house and apartment the better off the situation. To play games and lock her out was strange behaviour and I'm no expert but couldn't that qualify for forcible confinement? What did he expect she was going to do while on the balcony? How did he expect the situation to resolve? He made very poor decisions.

[–]buttscratchr41 points 9 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

He did ask and tell her to leave many times before this, and she was just getting more violent and not leaving. They honestly both sound really weird, someone else posted the longer transcript of the 3 hours of his recording, and it's really strange. Also his posting on forums make him sound socially weird too. She's pretty insane though.

[–]subbookkeepper-1 points 9 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

he's a miscer, of course he's weird.

[–]maryjayjay 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't know what that is. Is it Aussie slang for something?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah a miscer is when a drop bear kookaroos into a wallaby over on Dingo Avenue during rush hour traffic on national Shrimp on the Barbie day.

[–]Jesus_marley 40 points41 points42 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Here's the problem. In my experience in dealing with violent people, if you are able to immobilize or restrain them in any way, they will almost immediately become the most cooperative and compliant people on earth if they think it will cause you to drop your guard. People will cry, beg, promise, cajole... anything they can think of to try and get the upper hand on you. Never trust anybody who has shown you violence. They are only waiting for you to give them another opportunity.

[–]FindMeTheTruth21 points 9 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Can confirm. Ex would violent punch me and attack me every time they got upset or angry about absolutely nothing (such as "I looked at them funny"). I'm bigger than they are but their attacks could've still seriously hurt me, so after saying stop i'd grab their hands and make them stop.

The moment I do that it's suddenly no longer a angry attack at me for no reason but "omg let me go, no no no, let me go you're hurting me waaaaaaaaahhhhh".

And then when I let them go, thinking they've calmed down a bit it's straight back to attacking.

The only way to deal with that was to leave my room, which I fucking shouldn't have to do, which if I did I hear them throwing my shit around.

[+]CentsScentsSense -23 points-22 points-21 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You know you sound crazy referring to your ex in the plural, right?

[–]noogai131 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The usage of "they" in this context is to convey the fact that it could be either male OR female. "they" is used as a neutral pronoun.

[–]stationhollow 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He had asked her to leave minutes ago and she attacked him. He then pushed her out the closest door (balcony) because the front door was in another room, past the kitchen with a hotel style lock that would have been difficult to open while dragging her out.

She was on the balcony for less than a minute.

[+]mydarkmeatrises -6 points-5 points-4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, this is pretty dodgy. He may have gotten away with one, mate.

[–]MagicGin 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Timeline, physical events, etc. don't support anything other than the notion that he's a raging cunt. Which is an awful thing to be, but it's also perfectly legal. Given his personality and so on I wouldn't be surprised if he got shackled at some point for some kind of stupid domestic shit, but that doesn't mean he did anything this time.

[+]ps00n -20 points-19 points-18 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

This is fucked up. She was emotionally unstable and in the end wanting to leave, yet he locked her out on a balcony held against her will. That's not a pussypassdenied no matter how much of a cunt she was being, that is putting a vulnerable persons life at risk.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He locked her on a balcony. That is not taking a life.

[–]stationhollow 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She wasn't out there for ages. She was out here for a minute to restrain her and calm down.

[+]Elmariachioneslug84 -22 points-21 points-20 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah this guys an ass. Karma will get him

[–]Romymopen 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Karma's not real, brah.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

hes going to jail for 10 months for drink driving. karma in my opinion, the guys a probably not murderous cunt

[–][deleted] 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

like all the black celebrities and politicians who wore the hoodie before the trial then after zimmerman was let off, they still say he's guilty. the whole point of the justice system is that nobody gets to decide if someone is guilty or not other than jury of his peers. that's the only way for it to be fair. thank god for that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's amazing how many people essentially want us to go back to the lynching system in the US. I heard so many people saying that Zimmerman should have been killed, or Casey Anthony.

  • Is the system perfect? No.
  • Does it occasionally let guilty people go? Yes.
  • Does it usually prevent innocent people from being jailed or executed for a crime they didn't commit? Yes.

The last point is the most major reason why the legal system is the way it is. It's way more preferable to let a bad person off than to end the life of an innocent. It's a carefully balanced system built to take that into account.

[–]Smoothtank 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes they do. Hell, I know better than FBI.

[–]maschine01 43 points44 points45 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I'm rewatching "Black Mirror" and all this shit is way to real now.

[–]AppiusClaudius 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

D'you see season 3 was just released? I won't be sleeping tonight...

[–]maschine01 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. Just watched it and holy crap! Love that show but yeah looking around its becoming all to real.

[–]BritishStewie 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is it as good as before?

[–]maschine01 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely. Very unsettling.

[–]dexmonic 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I watched the first episode of the first season. Noped the fuck out after that.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That episode is the pleb filter. If you have to what it takes to explore the further reaches of the rabbit hole, great truths of this world will be revealed to you.

[–]AppiusClaudius 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I rated you five stars for this comment.

[–]SupermegaultraAIDS 49 points50 points51 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I'm glad that they were able to see that she wasn't some innocent person in fear for her life, rather someone acting violent and unreasonable who made a foolish decision that had horrible consequences.

That said, both of them seem fucking weird. I can understand calling your lawyer, but going to get a slice of pizza after someone falls to their death from your balcony? Also, his heavy breathing from the recordings is so animated he sounds like a cartoon villain powering up. A perfect example of people who can't handle their alcohol getting together and all hell breaking loose.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

you clearly have never been in a tragedy. if he's hungry, what the fuck else is he gonna do? all he can do is sit around and feeling awful and waiting for the eventuality. did you want him to sit home and cry? i'm saying this as someone whos been in a big one. you still gotta do life support activities.

[–]Nimitz87 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

dude he didn't even call 911 before going out the basement and getting pizza, both of them are fucking wackos.

[–]ThogOfWar 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Buddy was drunk, looked down after she fell, and thought to himself, "Hey, street pizza sounds good right about now"

[–]SupermegaultraAIDS 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

you clearly have never been in a tragedy.

How could you possibly infer that from what I said? You don't need to "sit at home and cry" but if someone loses their life falling from your balcony and your first reaction is to calmly go get a slice, you're fucking weird, there's something off about that. By your logic, if someone is in a tragic car accident and happens to be hungry, it would be understandable for them to make a trip to the nearest restaurant before checking the other party, calling emergency services, etc. It's not even like he went for food after calling the cops, the bitch took a tumble and he immediately needed a snack.

Again, he didn't even fix himself a sandwich. He calmly went for pizza before even informing the cops. He was involved in an altercation that led to someone dying, even if she was at fault (which I believe she was) a normal person would be "feeling awful" even if it's purely self interest motivating the concern. The dude is weird.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

i could because people who havent been in one, think that being in a tragedy makes you crazy. it doesnt. it just feels like you're standing in a pool of water up to your neck but otherwise, you are normal.

so you basically have never been in one and trying to make up more shit about what you think should happen.

[–]SupermegaultraAIDS 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Again, you're assuming. I have been in a lot of shitty, traumatic situations. None as horrible as someone taking a swan dive off my balcony, but urgent and stressful situations nonetheless.

Being in a tragedy doesn't make you crazy, I never said that. You seem to have a particular talent for strawmanning the absolute fuck out of everything. I said going for a pizza before calling emergency services makes you weird. I can understand freezing for a minute, I can understand a panic attack, I could understand fainting or blacking out. I completely understand why he called his lawyer first. What I can't understand is why a normal, functioning individual watches someone die on their property, puts on their shoes, walks outside and orders food before returning and calling help.

That's not freezing and having a panic attack, but considering the fact you misconstrue everything I'm saying you'll take it however you want. That, combined with the recordings where he delivers some breathy, whispered lines like fucking Voldemort in the Chamber of Secrets doesn't make a strong case for this guy being 100% sane. You'll continue to have your opinion though.

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[–]thisishowiwrite 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Listen to the fucking recordings before talking shit mate.

[–]Puntley 51 points52 points53 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

/r/titlegore

[+]Julznova -22 points-21 points-20 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

you beat me to it

[–]PMmeagoodwebsite 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Obviously..

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[–]Haerverk 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Automatically assuming the guy is to blame = pussypass

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Girls a crazy bitch, dude's a bit of a douche, they're both drunk, but he didn't chuck her off the balcony and shouldn't be held responsible. GG

[–]JohnnyKay9 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Man that transcript tho, it even makes it sound like he tossed her over. That is crazy!!

[–]alex_york 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Man CCTV doesn't feel so bad now doesn't it.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Neither too is the act of recording everything. Saved his arse.

[–]bwleung89 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That is the main reason I want body cameras for cops. It's hard to argue with footage.

[–]illuminatipr 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

We need body cameras for everyone.

[–]MajinAsh 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You've been downvoted but you're right. If they're good for cops they're good for you too.

[–]illuminatipr 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't believe people in everyday life should wear body cameras however if Tostee hadn't had the forthought to record this women's episode he would be in prison.

[–]MajinAsh 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't see why not. As long as you're not doing anything wrong the body camera will protect you. It's the exact same reason people are demanding police wear them. I work under surveillance cameras all day and it's honestly pretty nice. This guy is a stellar example of exactly why everyone should do it.

[–]Donaldtrumppo 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit is this Balcony Brah? Anyone else from the bodybuilding forums that remembers? Misc brahs unite lmaoooo

[–]subbookkeepper 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

def balcony brah

[–]Donaldtrumppo 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

LMAOOO when he ordered the pizza after she fell I was like wtf but I don't think he's guilty.

[–]subbookkeepper 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

can't miss dat protein window

[–]Donaldtrumppo 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Fuuuuuark!

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I remember this supposed lawyer kept coming into the thread 100% certain he had done it and that he was fked lol

[–]Donaldtrumppo 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao this is funny af, I remember when he explained he had cameras everywhere for sexxors lmao and he was apparently a Slayer but this girl was crazy af, and then after she jumped off the balcony he ordered a pizza and met with his dad lmfao

[–]Wall_of_Peace0 points 9 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

It may have been I who linked you sloths here

[–]Donaldtrumppo 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Wow I'm miring brah

[–]MessyEnema -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Give that guy some greens yo

[–]Donaldtrumppo 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Repped

[–]Wall_of_Peace0 points 9 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I negged iceman once. He banned me .

[–]Donaldtrumppo 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck that old cunt lmao

[–]rounced 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/10/20/22/3980FA1600000578-3857050-image-a-14_1476997668604.jpg

An older photo of Tostee shows him posing with his arms behind his head

...Is this for real?

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[–]DanAffid 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Blue hair, don't care

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[–]katf1sh 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's called a septum piercing

[–]stanhhh 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy fuck .. must have been hellish

[–]ReylinTheLost 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Someone needs to do something about the SJW culture that is plaguing the world right now.

[–]Big_Dinner_Box 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol aquitted because of hidden sex tape. See being a dirty dog has its benefits.

[–]Truthbeatold 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

yeah a bad situation all round. But the thing I don't understand is, If he could get her on the balcony why not out the front fucking door? This would have made a bad tinder date story rather than what it became.

[–]stationhollow 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The balcony had a door in the bedroom. The front door was around a corner, pat a kitchen and had a lock that would have required more effort than just opening it. He explained it all on is bodybuilding forum post.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The price of the guys lawyers should be reimbursed by the government. Not his fault some dumb bitch fell off his balcony.

[–]BITCRUSHERRRR 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why are hot girls almost always psycho? Y'know what they say, if an extremely attractive girl is single for a long time, she's batshit crazy.

[–]ComradeAri 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

So much for this subreddit. How in the world us this PPD?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Wtf did I just read?

[–]essieecks 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A man being blasted over the media as "proof of rape culture" was found innocent of the murder of his Tindr date. Audio and witness evidence came out at trial that his date was deranged, abused him and refused to leave before she fell to her death trying to climb down his balcony.

Not complete title gore reversal, but you can understand it.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Man being blasted over the media as proof of rape culture found innocent of Tindr date murder when audio and witness evidence comes out at trial that she was deranged, abused him and refused to leave before idiotically falling to her death trying to climb down balcony"

Sprayed some karma fag repellent.

[–]derleth -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a good summary.

It's in English, not Headline.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not weird to record the date. Not when your date is acting like a psycho cunt.

No one believes a man when the woman starts making accusations.

Had he not had a recording he'd be serving time right now.

I can just hear those cackling whores over at TwoX right now complaining that this guy got away with murder and now none of them are safe because of the patriarchy protects men.

[–]cryan24 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's well and good, but this poor man's life is still ruined. People will associate his name with what they seen , heard or read in the media.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

oh boy it's getting toastee in here, better open up the balcony door and let some air in!

[–]TheTruthWhisperer 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This great man is my new hero.

[–]Osoto_Gari 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't stick your dick in crazy

[–]gabrielshekelstein 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is this balcony brah?

[–]Golemfrost 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just saw this yesterday on German television and they were presenting him as a murderer. According to the news he abused her, she refused him sex and then to save herself, she tried reaching the balcony below.

[–]gkidd 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

A wise man will make more opportunities than he finds.

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[–]FindMeTheTruth18 points 9 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

it's not too clear what happened.

Yes, it is. Audio proves him innocent. A witness who saw her climbing on the balcony PROVES him innocent. And he was found innocent in a court of law.

It's clear what happened.

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[–]DaneMac 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He was a dickhead with women, that doesn't make him a murderer

[+][deleted] -9 points-8 points-7 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Wait who's saying this is proof of rape culture? I haven't seen anyone say that, but I don't go on social media much so I could be wrong.

[–]stationhollow 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's everywhere here in Aus. 7 and 9 have been trying their best.

[+]NthngSrs -9 points-8 points-7 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Two people who were intoxicated and unable to make good choices when drunk... Both made horrible choices throughout the evening and it resulted in the death of one of them. Very sad.

There are a lot of women who think it's completely acceptable to lash out and get violent- however, due to her not being around to testify her side, we can't say what led up to the events that caused her to be violent before the video started. Is it an excuse? Not that I can say, as I've seen more than my share of women become irrational due to alcohol and men try to subdue them with strength and angry words (which is logic that doesn't work with women)...

It was a situation that spiraled... And she thought she was a hostage, so she tried to escape. She wasn't... But alcohol... Fucking alcohol.

I wouldn't say this is a "pussy pass" but more of a situation where enough evidence wasn't present at the time of the arrest and with how it all played out (him not calling police, grabbing food, her being dead, etc) he set himself up to being accused... I'm literally not taking a side on this- it sucks for both parties involved and was handled poorly all around... Hopefully the people involved in the case will learn the concept of "Innocent until proven guilty"

[–]stationhollow 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did you listen to the entire tape?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I'm literally not taking a side on this

then how did i know you were a woman after the third sentence?

[–]NthngSrs -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't mean I took a side... I think both parties involved made horrible choices, the press jumped at the chance to make claims, and both parties were unable to handle their alcohol.

The tape does not cover anything that happened before it started filming, so that's all going to be up to debate and the only people who will know is the guy and the dead girl... Who knows if she had been attacked? She may just have been angry that she ended up being a one night stand- they can only go off evidence. Him not calling the cops, grabbing a slice of pizza, and walking around didn't help his case. However, her assaulting him then trying to scale a balcony drunkenly didn't help hers. Obviously alcohol is a mother fucker... Male or female, I'm wasn't there to see it all take place and I wasn't there for the whole trial- but I can't say without reasonable doubt he's guilty.

His actions after her choices to scale the balcony could've been alcohol driven. A lot of people don't have much sympathy for those who just assaulted them or realize the seriousness of the situation at the time; however, the entire situation could've been handled better. Plain and simple by all parties involved.

This has nothing to do with gender for me- it's about having been in situations where people get out of control with alcohol and become violent and having to handle them. Male and female... Both lose control and both do not understand how to handle each other when drunk.

As soon as she felt "threatened/trapped" (whether she was or wasn't) she freaked out and went into fight or flight on the balcony. She was, according to the evidence, placed out there for his own protection and to prevent further issues because she was acting crazy and assaulting him... Nearest door, quickest solution... He was smart enough to film it and save it, dumb enough not to call the police and wander around aimlessly, and both were stupid enough to get way too drunk and hook up with somebody they don't know... Does this make him a nice guy? Not by any means, but it doesn't mean he's guilty. I can't say, I wasn't there, but that's what the court says because the evidence shows there's not enough to prove his guilt.

I don't understand why, as a female, I'm not allowed to look at this without taking either side (i.e. the woman's) and thinking both parties made poor choices. I run into this frequently- I will even take the side of the male and men will argue with me about it. You're not going to get far on getting support for struggles the male gender goes through by denying any support or common ground a woman tries to find with you. It's counterproductive and makes you just as bad as feminists who spew male-hate propaganda bullshit.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't mean I took a side

yes you did. you worded it in such a way where it gives the woman every possible chance to be innocent and that we might be misunderstanding her and what happened to her.

[–]NthngSrs -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Nope. I said that evidence only goes so far back. It's not about gender, it's about looking at what is provided. If there is a huge gap missing then you can't say for sure what happened and it's all he-said, she-said. At that point, you can either go off of witness testimony or evidence provided (which they did)... So it's not about giving her all the room to be innocent, it's saying there is an empty gap that cannot be accounted for which nobody will know what happened but the two parties involved: he might have just told her to get out and she reacted poorly, he may have gotten too rough in trying to remove her from the room (pushing or shoving and name calling, putting his hand in her face and pushing her back when she was in his) and it escalated. And, because of the level of intoxication, she reacted with assault rather than leave. It's not accusing anyone of innocence or of guilt, it's saying there is a chunk of time that nobody knows what happened. Obviously if he had assaulted her there would be evidence in an autopsy report showing extensive trauma to the body the didn't come from the fall, I would assume.

As I've said previously, alcohol makes people act stupid and do stupid things. So his argument of being purely innocent might not be 100% true, because every acts right knowing they're on video, but I'm in no way saying he's guilty of anything beyond what idiotic drunk assholes do when they argue... Be as offended and try to read deeper into as you want, but there is nothing deeper to read. Guy was drunk, girl was drunk, both got into an argument and didn't know each other well enough to understand how to handle the situation, both fed off each other, girl freaked out and guy separated himself from situation, girl felt trapped in drunken logic and tried to escape and died, guy didn't call police and went and grabbed pizza and hung out in drunken logic... Its all a bad situation.

He was found innocent because he had evidence to show she was irrational and freaking out... That he was assaulted... All I'm saying is there was a chunk of time where the evidence provided doesn't cover. That is it. It's logic. Seriously. If anyone, regardless of gender, was in my face or assaulting me, I would get them out of my face. I would expect a guy to do the same as long as he was outright violent about it, unless situation called for it. So him putting her to the nearest lockable door could be considered appropriate, right?

It was a bad situation. She was freaking out. They were drunk. They both handled it poorly... I'm fairly certain the events leading up to it all is what started the entire situation and the press latched onto the concept of "man kills woman on tinder date" like leeches... Still not accusing anyone... However, I can't say there isn't unaccounted time where nobody knows what happened and EITHER party could have said or done anything. That's not taking sides, btw, that's saying both parties made bad choices and played a role in making them.

At the end of the night, he tried to distance himself and she made a drunken mistake. He's not guilty of killing her and I did not say he was nor did I say he played a part in it (I'm saying the events leading up is simply what made her make her stupid choice, but not anything to blame him for)... She made that mistake all on her own. Alcohol is not something that needs to be consumed heavily with strangers you're going to hook up with- too many bad things can happen.

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[–]NthngSrs -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You keep thinking I'm saying there's something justifying her actions... I'm just wondering what caused her to act irrationally and if there is more to the story. There could be and you don't know... Somebody simply making a drunk person sit down could cause them to act out- you're trying to make this into a feminist rant lol

I'm saying the evidence leaves out a huge chunk of the argument that nobody will ever know except the two parties involved, one of which cannot contribute their input. He may have simply pushed her away and she flipped out, because in her mind it was "assault" and she acted out. It's not justified, but I'm trying to explain drunk girl logic here.

Obviously you can't understand this and only want to see this as "she's all about hating the patriarch!! Fuck her!"

I swear, this is why it's impossible for anyone to side with men or women who are too far out there on "defending their gender" to have a conversation.

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[–]NthngSrs -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Who says it's absolved? An explanation is not absolving anything, it's simply a statement of why a person behaved in a particular way. You're trying really hard here, huh?

[+]formatlostmypw -22 points-21 points-20 points 9 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

locked out on a balcony? thats messed up

edit: im not on any side, but you downvoters got to agree locking someone outside and getting food is pretty messed up, lol.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it is, but what's more messed up is entering someones home, attacking them physically and verbally, and refusing to leave.

[–]illuminatipr 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

After being told to leave again, she refused and hit him with the metal part of a telescope so he put her behind "the nearest lockable door". Seconds after, she climbed over the railing to her death.

She made her own nest. Or is she not responsible for her actions for some reason?

[–]FindMeTheTruth10 points 9 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Violently abusing the person who's apartment it is, breaking their stuff and refusing to leave is messed up.

[–]TheSaint7 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So is getting beat up by you're tinder date

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