House panel votes to make women register for the draft

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It is and always has been about equality, as it says in the very definition. Anyone who advocates for something other than this, and calls it feminism, is misappropriating the term and is just factually wrong. http://i.imgur.com/wciU7ZP.jpg

You don't find out what something is by looking words up in a dictionary. Dictionary definitions reflect common usage, not actuality.

To find out what feminism is you have to look at what its proponents believe and how they behave. You'll find that feminism incorporates much more than simply the belief in and advocacy for equality. You'll find that all forms of feminism are premised on the assumption that women are indeed oppressed or disadvantaged, for starters. That is, all feminists believe in some form of patriarchy; it's not something they feel they need to prove, defend or even properly define. It is taken for granted.

There's already a word for the belief in equality between people, egalitarianism. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/egalitarianism Feminism is clearly more than that.

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This is honestly the first time I've ever heard someone describe feminism as a cure-all. The way you talk about it sounds more like a pitch from a snake oil salesman. The only thing feminism seeks to address is the ills of society caused by discrimination in regards to women. That is why it is a synonym for women's liberation. The men's lib seeks to do the same for discrimination towards men. They both have different but synergistic, not conflicting, goals. Feminism does not claim to help you start your car when your batterie is dead.

As for the claim that feminism is a cult, using the first definition is incompatible, because it necessitates some aspect of religion, which has no bearing on feminism. Using the second definition could only apply to a feminist leader, not the movement as a whole. Indeed, that is a problem. When some people get famous, they develop a fanbase that view them as more than just a person. In the eyes of their fans, they can do no wrong. That is both faulty thinking and dangerous.

The key is to always remember that whether or not something is true is more important than whether or not it's supports your perspective.

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The only thing feminism seeks to address is the ills of society caused by discrimination in regards to women.

This is exactly what i'm talking about. For you it's this, but if you ask most feminists about its goal then they'd answer it's about 'equality'.

This is a first for us both, because you're the first feminist who's actually admit to me that feminism isn't about equality.

That is why it is a synonym for women's liberation.

No, it's not. It was back in the day, but now it's synonymous with misandry. Hmm. Spellcheck actually recognizes the word misandry now. That's new.

As for the claim that feminism is a cult, using the first definition is incompatible, because it necessitates some aspect of religion, which has no bearing on feminism.

No, i think it's a perfect parallel. Feminism has become a god to many feminists. It's a vague notion that they've devoted themselves to. Religions don't need a figurehead, they need an ideal to follow. But fine, they're a non-religious cult that worships an ever changing idea. How's that?

I agree it's dangerous and faulty thinking, which is why i oppose feminism.

The key is to always remember that whether or not something is true is more important than whether or not it's supports your perspective.

I agree, which is why i oppose feminism. I can't think of a single right men have that women don't, but i know of many rights women have that men don't. And yet, somehow, feminism is still restricting the rights of men.

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The wage gap IS a lie. You're using false statistics. And I'd much rather tend to the home than drown in fucking mud in the Somme.

Here I won't direct you anywhere. I'll show you with sources, that women have the better part of EVERY single statistic. But you'll STILL bitch and cry even without realizing how much better you have it than men. This is without showing the every day perks you get like being able to choose as suitors present themselves to you and other innate advantages that are only available to women.

Women face over 60% less time for the same exact crimes

Women in their 20's without children are out-earning men. http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html If a man signs on the birth certificate and is cuckolded, he is on the hook for having "signed the contract" despite the obvious fraud. If a woman signs a pre-nup, it is often thrown out because it's "unfair" despite her having signed the contract and the grounds being kept.

If prison is included, as it should be, more men are raped each year than women. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2449454/More-men-raped-US-women-including-prison-sexual-abuse.html

Schools are a hostile environment to boys. Zero tolerance policies, putting them on hard drugs to keep them still, and stifling their natural differences (as opposed to girls) is destroying young boys. However now that boys aren't doing well, we're told it's because girls are smarter. It couldn't be that the system is infinitely more geared towards girls and boys are treated as defective females.

Watch any television show or commercial and a man is depicted as a moron. Violence against men is still a common humorous trope especially when hit by a woman. But a woman being touched or hurt is never shown.

Feminists claim that college females are more likely to be raped. While this makes no sense as if it were truly the rape collusion institution they claimed, college numbers would be plumetting. However this could not be further from the truth. It has been found that the 1 in 4 statistic constantly trumped out in false. The DOJ found that college students were sexually assaulted at a rate of 6 in 1,000 and less likely than the general public. http://thefederalist.com/2014/12/11/new-doj-data-on-sexual-assaults-college-students-are-actually-less-likely-to-be-victimized/

The wage gap is quoted, yet men retire at a later age than women (despite having a shorter life expectancy). It is quoted at 77 cents to the dollar or some such number, but when it's controlled for all factors, it becomes 2-7%. And because men make up almost all of workplace deaths and are physically stronger, it makes more sense. Women also choose more sociable jobs. They also drop out of the job market for a number of years to raise children in most cases.

9 of 10 of the most remunerative college majors are male by a wide majority, many are 80%+. Petroleum Engineering: 87% male Pharmacy Pharmaceutical Sciences and Administration: 48% male Mathematics and Computer Science: 67% male Aerospace Engineering: 88% male Chemical Engineering: 72% male Electrical Engineering: 89% male Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering: 97% male Mechanical Engineering: 90% male Metallurgical Engineering: 83% male Mining and Mineral Engineering: 90% male

9 of 10 of the least remunerative college majors are majority female. Counseling Psychology: 74% female Early Childhood Education: 97% female Theology and Religious Vocations: 34% female Human Services and Community Organization: 81% female Social Work: 88% female Drama and Theater Arts: 60% female Studio Arts: 66% female Communication Disorders Sciences and Services: 94% female Visual and Performing Arts: 77% female Health and Medical Preparatory Programs: 55% female http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/01/no-women-don-t-make-less-money-than-men.html

Feminism is incredibly hypocritical in every scenario. For divorce, they often claim men don't get custody because they "don't ask for it". While the reason they don't ask for it, is because they know they wouldn't get it. However if the same logic is applied to say, women in STEM fields, they change things up. Women choose their own fields and seem to prefer not to take part in STEM fields of their own preference. However, in this situation women's own choice is not okay for some reason that's never explained. Men getting treated horribly unfairly in divorce? It's their own fault, they don't ask for custody! Women going into their own majors of their choosing or not asking for raises? Major changes need to be made on women's accord!

Men who treat women as they treat men are seen as sexist. https://uwspace.uwaterloo.ca/bitstream/handle/10012/6958/Yeung_Amy.pdf?sequence=1

At least 10% of all fathers have been tricked into paternity. A 1999 study by the American Association of Blood Banks discovered that in 30% of 280,000 blood tests performed to determine paternity, the man tested was not actually the biological father of his children.

Women live longer than men do. This may be attributed to the numerous ways in which men are considered disposable contrasted with how women are always considered indispensable.

If a man and a woman get in a fight, despite the woman hitting a man, the man will go to jail every single time (a la Duluth Model). Police officers are also given extra funding for arresting men for domestic violence and the like, leading to more questionable arrests.

21.45% of couples reported violence. Male-to-female violence was reported in 13.66% of couples, while 18.20% for female-to-male violence. Thus, women are 1.33 times as likely to be violent. (Severe violence only raises this ratio to more than 2x as likely.) http://www.ncfm.org/libraryfiles/Children/DV/family-violence-study-may2006.pdf

Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases. http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2005.079020

This bibliography examines 286 scholarly investigations: 221 empirical studies and 65 reviews and/or analyses, which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600. http://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

Girls are 1.38x more physically aggressive in teen violent relationships. http://www.nij.gov/journals/261/pages/teen-dating-violence.aspx

In 2013, parents, acting alone or with another parent, were responsible for 78.9 percent of child abuse or neglect fatalities. More than one-quarter (27.7 percent) were perpetrated by the mother acting alone, 12.4 percent were perpetrated by the father acting alone, and 24.6 percent were perpetrated by the mother and father acting together. https://www.childwelfare.gov/pubPDFs/fatality.pdf

"Women are more likely than men to initiate violence in their relationships and are more likely to be aggressive more frequently”. He addresses the myth that women are only violent in self-defense. “29% of female college students admitted to physically attacking their boyfriends when no threat was perceived.” http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2005.079020

Women have custody 70% of the time in divorce (not to mention the outlandish child support and alimony that bankrupt men) When a man gets a miracle and gets custody, the woman is FAR less likely to have to pay child support.

In a presentation to the American Sociological Association, researchers report that women are more likely than men to ask for divorce. BUT NON-MARITAL BREAKUPS are equally likely to initiate a breakup. I wonder why, it couldn't be the cash prizes women get in divorces. http://data.stanford.edu/hcmst

Women get custody more often, despite fathers been proven to have a more positive impact on the child's life when compared to mothers. http://brandongaille.com/19-compelling-motherless-children-statistics/ https://thefatherlessgeneration.wordpress.com/statistics/ Not only that, but fathers are more likely to keep the child out of poverty, DESPITE being far more likely to be stiffed by the mother on child support. http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/07/02/the-rise-of-single-fathers/ http://www.census.gov/people/childsupport/data/files/chldsu11.pdf

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Part 2:

Women earn 64% of university degrees.

Men make up almost all of the homeless.

Men get the death penalty at an 83 to 1 rate.

The right to Due Process is being destroyed by feminists as rapists are guilty until proven innocent. In addition there are laws in California in which a rape accusation WITHOUT any other evidence gets you thrown out of university. Some states have even taken action, such as Washington state, to demand the woman prove the encounter was NOT consensual. You know, like innocent until proven guilty, the backbone of our justice system, demands. Yes means yes laws translate into a man proving an encounter was consensual, AKA guilty until proven innocent.

There is no action taken against false rape accusers, three of the most high profile rape cases in recent memory were completely false (Duke, UVA, Mattress girl, Hofstra, Tyler Kost) among countless others.

If both parties are drunk, for some reason the man is imprisoned or charged with rape. Of course women aren't accountable or responsible at all.

Men have no recourse for being cuckolded into raising a child that is not theirs if the woman was fraudulent, pay or go to jail. Once the child reaches 2 in many states, even with a DNA test they are on the hook for "assuming role of the parent" despite the heinous fraud the woman has committed.

Preferential hiring for women in government jobs, quotas in private jobs for government bids that lead to less qualified women getting jobs over men. Not to mention scholarships in all types of math and science. More scholarships for women than for men.

Men have 0 reproductive power, whereas the woman has numerous methods to turn back on the child (Birth control, Emergency contraceptive, Abortion) and yet we are still held 100% financially responsible for something they have zero control over. All the responsibility with absolutely zero say in the matter.

Legalized murder with battered woman sydnrome, which even now stretched to PSYCHOLOGICAL ABUSE (aka words = LEGALIZED MURDER). There are numerous women-only defenses to excuse them from MURDER.

Unsheltered Homeless (2009) Women – 12,000 – 4% Men – 240,000 – 96% Suicides (2008) Women – 7,585 - 19% Men – 28,450 - 81% Deaths by Homicide (2004) Women – 3,856 – 20% Men – 14,717 – 80% Federal Funds for Sex Specific Cancer Research Women – Breast Cancer – $631,000,000 - 40,000 Deaths Men – Prostate Cancer – $300,000,000 - 33,000 Deaths Deaths on the Job (2010) Women – 355 - 7% Men – 4,192 - 93% Injuries on the Job (2007) Women – 36% Men – 64% College Enrollment (2009) Women – 58% - 11,658,000 Men – 42% - 8,770,000 Affirmative Action Education Programs (Gender Specific) Women – Yes Men – No Average Hours Worked Per Week (2010) Women – 36.1 Men – 40.2 Child Custody Rates Women – 11,268,000 custodial mothers Men – 2,907,000 custodial fathers US Military Deaths From 1950 – 2010 Women – 139 - 0.001% Men – 100,063 - 99.99% Federally Funded Battered Shelters Women – 2,000+ $300,000,000 per year Men – None – $0 even when 48% of domestic violence is against males Federally Funded Health Offices and Research 1970 – Present (not including cancer research) Women Only – Office, Projects and Programs 70+ – Funds – $100,000,000,000 Men Only – None – $0 Forced Selective Service Women – No Men – Yes

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Women's liberation (feminism) is a movement to do away with the gender-based oppression experienced by women. A lot of progress has been made, but it's not perfect. Men's liberation is the movement to do the same for men, such as gender discrimination in jail sentences or the awarding of custody of children. The two have different, not conflicting, goals. As a matter of fact, most members of men's lib recognize that these men's issues are the result of the historical patriarchy. Seeing women as only being suited to care for the home and family, not fight or earn a living is why women are seen to be better caretakers and awarded custody more often. The shorter sentencing for a woman for the exact same conviction as a man is the result of them being viewed as the weaker sex throughout most of human history.

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The wage gap isn't a fallacy, it's just a lot more complicated than saying that women make 78% of what a man makes. It doesn't take into account differing factors. There's an entire field of study dedicated to the wage gap and what they have deduced is that if you control for all variables, it is about 4-7%. But there lots of other interesting information, such as the fact that Asians have a higher average earning than whites.

As for my background, I grew up in a religious southern baptist household, joined the marines, went to a theological seminary, had a crisis of faith. Spent many years soul searching and job hopping after I lost my job, school, wife and most friends. A few years ago I was mostly libertarian and had pretty much the same views as the responses I have been getting here. Then I sought to educate myself on feminism by learning about it through sources other than its opponents. While it does have plenty of problems, with lots of people giving it a bad name (Anita Sarkeesian), I still think the spirit of what it stands for is right.

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Earlier this week, the top officers in the Army and the Marine Corps told members of Congress they believed women should start registering for the Selective Service, given the recent decision to make them eligible for any military job.

But while Army Chief of Staff Gen. Mark A. Milley has spoken positively about women in combat and Marine Corps Commandant Robert B. Neller has committed to implementing the new policy, Hunter and Zinke have been blunt in their criticism of the change.

Hunter, a former Marine, hails from a branch of the service that has struggled most with the decision to make the selection process for combat positions gender neutral.

“It’s going to get people killed,” Hunter said in an interview with Politico last month discussing the policy change. He added that Navy Secretary Ray Mabus, who had pushed for the changes, was “a greater threat to the Marine Corps than ISIS.”

After all that, he sounds like an idiot.

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Penalties for Failing to Register

Failing to register or comply with the Military Selective Service Act is a felony punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 or a prison term of up to five years, or a combination of both. Also, a person who knowingly counsels, aids, or abets another to fail to comply with the Act is subject to the same penalties.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/defenseandsecurity/a/draftreg.htm

Other than the felony committed by not registering. Any man in the US who fails to register becomes ineligible for:

Student Financial Aid - including Pell Grants, College Work Study, Guaranteed Student/Plus Loans, and National Direct Student Loans.
U.S. Citizenship - if the man first arrived in the U.S. before his 26th birthday.
Federal Job Training - The Job Training Partnership Act (JTPA) offers programs that can train young men for jobs in auto mechanics and other skills. This program is only open to those men who register with Selective Service.
Federal Jobs - men born after December 31, 1959 must be registered to be eligible for jobs in the Executive Branch of the Federal government and the U.S. Postal Service.

In addition, several states have added additional penalties for those who fail to register.

http://www.brethren.org/news/2014/many-state-laws-link-drivers-licenses-to-draft-registration.html

Also, from wikipedia:

As an alternative method of encouraging or coercing registration, federal legislators passed laws requiring that to receive financial aid, federal grants and loans, certain government benefits, eligibility for most federal employment, and (if the person is an immigrant) eligibility for citizenship, a young man had to be registered (or had to have been registered, if they are over 26 but were required to register between 18 and 26) with Selective Service. Those who were required to register, but failed to do so before they turn 26, are no longer allowed to register, and thus may be permanently barred from federal jobs and other benefits, unless they can show to the Selective Service that their failure was not knowing and willful. There is a procedure to provide an "information letter" by the SSS for those in these situations, for example recent citizens who entered the US after their 26th birthday.

Most states, as well as the District of Columbia, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, and Virgin Islands, have passed laws requiring registration for men 18–25 to be eligible for programs that vary on a per-jurisdiction basis but typically include driver's licenses, state-funded higher education benefits, and state government jobs. Alaska also requires registration to receive an Alaska Permanent Fund dividend. Eight states (Connecticut, Indiana, Nebraska, Oregon, Vermont, Washington, and Wyoming) as well as Puerto Rico have no such requirements, though Indiana does give men 18–25 the option of registering with Selective Service when obtaining a drivers license or an identification card. The Department of Motor Vehicles of 27 states and 2 territories automatically registers young men 18–25 with the Selective Service as federally required, whenever they apply for driver licenses, learner permits, or non-driver identification cards.

Nowhere did I find a connection between the registration requirement and the right to vote. Between the felony punishment and the myriad additional consequences men face for failure to register, there is a strong legal requirement to register.

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Title	House panel votes to make women register for the draft
Author	FootballBatPlayer
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Date	April 28, 2016 1:10 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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