The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gender ones, and the results were pretty bleak

redditorriot · 2016-04-16T04:06:55+00:00

And this was without testing against hand-to-hand combat.

currygunner · 2016-04-16T04:19:31+00:00

I just had a general question, does the same standard of fitness and endurance apply to the women as it does to men? If it does then isn't it better to create brigades with all women squads? And if the standards are laxed, then why are they? Isn't this sexism? And dosent the army have any responsibility towards the well-being of its soldiers? If one person is in lacking, dosent it out the rest of the unit in danger?

Il128 · 2016-04-16T10:35:17+00:00

Israel already did the studies. The Israelis don't put women on the front lines.

lasciate · 2016-04-16T05:35:00+00:00

People are always harping on the misogyny of America's enemies. Wouldn't knowing that they're fighting against women/mixed gender forces make such groups fight harder and surrender less easily?

I can't see standard infantry surviving this experiment as a viable, large-scale fighting force. Seems like more evidence that we're headed into an eternal drone strike feedback loop.

McFeely_Smackup · 2016-04-16T15:24:07+00:00

Note that they tested all male squads against mixed gender squads, and not a single suggestion to test an all male squad against an all female one.

I don't even have to speculate where an all female squad would rank in this testing, it would be dead last. Adding female soldiers to the combat role CAN be effective...but it has to be in a role where their physical differences are not a liability. When we know for a fact that female inclusion is dragging down performance, and trying to justify why that's probably ok, we're playing sociology games, not military ones.

chocoboat · 2016-04-16T06:16:53+00:00

This doesn't mean that women shouldn't be allowed in combat. It means that unqualified women shouldn't be allowed.

If you're significantly slower, weaker, and less competent than everyone else, you shouldn't be in combat role. Gender is irrelevant, ability is all that matters.

MenandBoysareGood · 2016-04-16T13:26:13+00:00

The solution is simple. First put in a policy that all the groups must consist of both men and women. Next, get the UN to pass a resolution to make it a war crime if they discriminate and do not have an equal number of female combatants during any fight. Problem solved!

Bl_rp · 2016-04-16T14:45:48+00:00

Help me out here, are we angry that women are being shoehorned into military roles, or are we angry that men are the majority of combat deaths?

ralphswanson · 2016-04-16T15:39:08+00:00

The military should be a defense force; not a political hobby-horse. If the hiring is based on ideology, and not performance, the effectiveness of the unit, military or civilian, will suffer.

abstractbull · 2016-04-16T22:24:07+00:00

So, if female inclusion is dragging down performance, why do many people on here want women to be included in selective service? There was even the suggestion a few days ago that in return for being granted the right to vote, women should have had to register for the draft. But now I hear that women are a liability. So which is it? What is the compromise? Is it possible to even have one?

GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B · 2016-04-16T09:27:19+00:00

This shouldn't be a surprise. I have nothing against women who serve, but ground combat roles are a whole different beast. Women represent a huge target for the enemy. Capture the women and you've got huge leverage. In addition, can we please stop pretending that male and female bodies are the same? The average female body needs a lot of regular exercise to match the average male's strength. Not saying it can't be done but that's just the way it is. If they are to serve in the same roles, the exact same standards need to apply and prevent gender based differences. Filter out everybody who doesn't fulfill the requirements.

cmumford · 2016-04-16T15:45:54+00:00

Anybody know why women aren't as accurate with a rifle? Are boys just more likely to maybe go hunting as a youth, or is there some biological difference?

TheDude41 · 2016-04-16T09:12:25+00:00

TheDude41 · 2016-04-16T07:33:41+00:00

Title	The US Marines tested all-male squads against mixed-gender ones, and the results were pretty bleak
Author	Bl_rp
Upvotes	121
Comments	91
Date	April 16, 2016 3:54 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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