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Women gets 8 years jail and 25 years on the register for raping boy 11-13. Is this a good sentence?

HeForeverBleeds

April 5, 2016
119 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.wwltv.com/news/local/lafourche-terrebonne/woman-gets-8-years-for-sexually-assaulting-boy/121153624
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Title Women gets 8 years jail and 25 years on the register for raping boy 11-13. Is this a good sentence?
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HeForeverBleeds

Upvotes 119
Comments 56
Date April 5, 2016 5:44 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4dhk63/women_gets_8_years_jail_and_25_years_on_the/
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[–]joedapper 34 points35 points36 points 10 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link

If it's not the same that a man would have received? If yes, then yes. Else no.

[–]EgoandDesire 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

Shouldnt the real metric be what kind of damage was done to the victim?

[–]Macismyname 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well that's an entirely different discussion. How should crime sentences be carried out? It's a much larger discussion and as a person with no criminal law background it's not one I feel comfortable speculating on.

That's not what we are here to talk about on this sub. All that we are after is equal sentencing between men and women. I don't believe that is a lot to ask. How they determine the sentencing, I couldn't begin to comment on, but I do know that they should not be determined or affected by the genders of those involved.

[–]trygold0 points 10 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

It is a men's issue though. Tough sex offender laws seem to be applied more often to men then women. I have stated many times we should not be seeking women getting harsher sentences to equalize punishments for sex offences but men getting less harsh sentences like women do. This would be IMHO a better way to make things equal. So in this case I would root for her to receive a less sever punishment unless she was actually raping, with the use of force, or strongly coercing him to do something he did not want to do.

[–]andejoh 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She was charged with forcible rape in another instance still awaiting adjudication. She admitted to committing 10 rapes. I don't think less than 1 year for each rape is that severe a sentence.

[–]derpylord143 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

In England we are taught there 4 purposes of prison, the first is punishment, the second is rehabilitation, the third is safety (stop it occurring again as they are in prison) and the fourth is a deterrent (scare other people from doing it - which is why you sometimes see disproportionate sentences so that other people think twice). anyway basically the victim is covered by the first one, aka the need for punishment, but the law has to take into account other factors such as if it was a crime due to necessity - often avoiding punishment at all if its a minor crime such as shoplifting (not saying this one is out of necessity) if its not "minor" its a lot more likely to get a small-ish punishment in comparison to a crime done by a repeat offender as the likelihood of it occurring again is lower, the plethora of reasons for prison is such that its supposed to benefit society as well as punish, for instance rehabilitation trains them to reenter society so that they don't have to commit crime out of necessity (benefiting society) and so on. how these are weighed up is entirely subjective to the judge, but most value punishment strongly (usually more than others) but all four are supposed to impact on the decision so i cannot say that it should be what kind of damage was done solely as i have to agree each of the above is to an extent a purpose of prison (anger management programs in prison etc outside they wouldnt be particularly effective unless the threat of prison was being used if they dont attend).

lets give an example, lets say you have someone breaking into a house the individual living there goes down and seeing the individual breaking in is holding something (which isn't a weapon but he doesn't realize that) attacks him to an inch of death, now lets keep all the same circumstances besides it being in their home, but its a gangs turf... it suddenly becomes worse. The victims will both feel exactly the same (and they would be afforded the same rights in the UK, unless they were acting threateningly - merely holding something that could be a weapon isn't grounds for beating someone to an inch of their life unless they are waving it at you like they are trying to or are going to hit you and even if it were, it wouldn't be reasonable to do so to an inch of someones life - usually if you felt your life threatened it may be but that's entirely dependent on circumstances and for a jury to decide) yet we all view gang based one as worse, presumably because we view it as larger problem as we think it occurs too much... there the deterrent and safety issues come into play.

Note: i am only a law student, this is not a certainty if you seek legal advice in the uk or any other legal system please seek the advice of a professional.

Edits: adding the second paragraph, and corrections

[–]mwobuddy 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Macis is right.

Some are "not damaged at all".

We still want it considered rape.

Furthermore, a man who did this wouldn't get 8 years, he'd get 20.

Read the article, it states The Terrebonne Parish Sheriff's Office charged Lapeyrouse with aggravated rape July 29, 2014, after the victim reported her. The boy said Lapeyrouse had sex with him in Terrebonne and Lafourche when he was between 11 and 13 and she was between 17 and 19.

So basically, she was a teen and had sex with a younger teen boy. Now, 10+ years later, he's pressing charges.

[–]andejoh 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

11 years old is not a teen. Neither is 12. 19 with a 13 year old would be ridiculous even with a halo, which I support. I don't know that I would have convicted her or prosecuted her had I been the DA for lack of evidence, but then she confessed to 10 incidents.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

19 with a 13 year old would be ridiculous even with a halo, which I support.

You support halos?

[–]andejoh 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've heard them refer to as halos or Romeo and Juliet clauses. I think an age difference of 5 or more years when a person is between 13 and 15 is too large. I'm not sure about 4. 3 seems fair. A 13 and 16 year old or a 14 and 17 year old shouldn't be a problem. A 16 or 17 year old with a 21 or 22 year old is a high school junior/senior with a college junior/senior. I would lean towards OK.

[–]zer0t3ch 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you're trying to determine a "good" sentence, then yes. In terms of a fair sentence, then comparison to males is fair.

[–]andejoh 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Shouldnt the real metric be what kind of damage was done to the victim?"

Damage to the victim when it occurred, when it was prosecuted, or any time throughout the victims life? There is a chance the victim was severely damaged, but didn't know it and only realized it now. Should they be able to reopen sentencing?

[–][deleted] 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]EgoandDesire -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Whether the victim was forced, abused or put in a bad situation due to the sex, like pregnancy for example.

[–]ARedthorn 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish it were so, but there are too many problems with that.

So- even if you can objectively measure the damage, it's problematic: if you steal $5,000 from me, should the punishment be more severe than stealing $5,000 from someone wealthy? The loss is objectively less severe for the wealthy man than for me- he can recoup it in an afternoon.

But the loss isn't objective... It's entirely subjective, and largely immeasurable.

An 11yo boy might have his social, sexual and physical brain development completely and permanently altered by this, even if he's unaware of what he would call trauma.

How do we measure the trauma when the effects can be highly personal, invisible and far reaching- only surfacing years or decades later?

No- punishment guidelines need to be objective and... Well, somewhat arbitrary, but that's ok as long as it's consistently applied, and we can agree on a general benchmark.

[–]Detox1337 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are better discussions to have. The first most important one is what is required to protect the public. Making sure this doesn't happen to other children is job 1. To that end if she gets out in 8 years and reoffends then the exercise is a failure. Punitive measures have been proven not to work and have a high rate of recidivism. I'd bet a good steak dinner that this woman was also a victim of a sexual crime. Does it excuse it? No. This person needs psychological counseling. Not for her sake but for ours. I'm in favour of a strong punitive sentence at the start but you have to follow it up with trying to build a functioning person you can release.

[–]TedTheAtheist -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The sex with minors don't always carry damage. Much of the time it's wanted. We all think that if they are under-aged, it's not wanted. Definitely not the case.

[–]ARedthorn 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, in some cases... But many may be too immature to know what they want, or make that decision safely or reasonably. Further, wanting something doesn't make it trauma free. Imagine if your first sexual experience was at age 12 with someone 4x you age, with a wealth of sexual experience and confidence... You're telling me that wouldn't mark your sexual development? Shape how you interact with the other gender or romantic interests?

You don't even really know who you are before 25, on any meaningful level... And such a major event, that young, has too much power to define too much.

[–]TedTheAtheist -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's different for each person, but I'm willing to bet that if it's not forced there is most likely not going to be any real damage.

[–]EgoandDesire 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree.

[–]xynomaster 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I would argue this isn't the most important result. The most important thing here is that the victim can feel he has received justice and that his abuser has been punished (and that the punishment is enough to deter future offenders).

I feel that an 8 year sentence is probably sufficient for those purposes. Even if it's not quite what a man would have gotten (I'm not sure), it's certainly a "good sentence" I think.

The issue is not that male pedophiles and child rapists aren't being treated fairly - honestly that's hard to feel too bad about. The issue is that boy victims aren't being treated fairly or getting the justice they deserve. The question should be whether this is fair to the victim, not to male rapists.

[–]joedapper 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What you say makes sense.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

The Terrebonne Parish Sheriff's Office charged Lapeyrouse with aggravated rape July 29, 2014, after the victim reported her. The boy said Lapeyrouse had sex with him in Terrebonne and Lafourche when he was between 11 and 13 and she was between 17 and 19.

[–]xynomaster 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Not quite sure what your point is here.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

She would've gotten less time if she'd been 17 at the time.

It brings an interesting point to light.

She's getting 8 years when she would've been getting much less if she had been charged and convicted as a 17 year old, because people would call her "just a kid".

She's getting 8 years because she's being charged now at 25, not when the actual crime took place. Im sure that is factoring heavily into the decision. People are looking at a 25 year old and hearing she raped (had sex with) a much younger male.

[–]andejoh 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Assuming she was 17, that's a big assumption since there is a 33% chance of that and a 66% chance she was 18 or over assuming an equal probability of the ages. Even then a 17 year old raping an 11 year old might be able to be tried as an adult especially if it was forcible. Heck a 17 year old boy forcibly raping a 21 year old woman would be tried as an adult.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Assuming she was 17, that's a big assumption since there is a 33% chance of that and a 66% chance she was 18 or over assuming an equal probability of the ages. Even then a 17 year old raping an 11 year old might be able to be tried as an adult especially if it was forcible. Heck a 17 year old boy forcibly raping a 21 year old woman would be tried as an adult.

Good, so you are in agreement with me and the rest of the world that rape is a forcible act and teens can be tried as adults when committing a forcible sex act.

[–]andejoh 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think though we would have differences in the definition of forcible. Some one beating someone unconscious is forcible. Someone having sex with an unconscious person I believe is also forcible if there was ZERO consent. Some people have claimed prior agreement (example: Alyssa Royce had mentioned that she gave her husband permission to fondle her breasts while she slept in a comment she made). Most people would also agree that pointing a gun at someone and threatening to kill them is forcible. One of the things a consider is does the person threatened with the gun have no choices. Sure they do. They can take the bullet. Most people would say that this was a ridiculous option amounting to no option at all. I would agree. I'm simply pointing out that having options does not in itself make it not forcible.

Now where we might disagree is in situations like the prison system. I believe that guards who utilize their power over prisoners to extort sex use force. I don't think that a boss who extorts his subordinate into sex has committed rape, but rather sexual harassment. The difference is the prisoner effectively has no alternative. Complain and be retaliated against by another guard or the same one. The other person can find another job.

Now if you take about manipulation a person lying to get sex or nagging or even in some cases deception. That's not rape. It could be something else, but not rape. One could always break up with person if they can't compromise on sex. A woman sleeping with a man because she thought he was Jewish and wanted to marry him has not been raped. She has agreed to the sex, Him not being Jewish doesn't change the sex. That would be as ridiculous as a man having sex with a woman and then charging her with rape because she wore makeup.

When it comes to children, it becomes more difficult. I don't think it has to be forcible for it to be rape. A child can be a lot more easily manipulated than an adult. A child can not be expected or be equipped to understand every option they have available. Government has imposed regulation to ensure safety (ie mandatory seat belt use, requiring a harness for scaffolding work, FDA approval for certain drugs and drug prescriptions from doctors for others). Unless someone can come up with another reasonable metric aside from age when it comes to minors (those under 18) engaging in sex , I think I think an age of consent of 18 (meaning there is no upper limit to the age of a person who may have sex with you) and a "halo" of a few years for people under 18 is the proper and moderate approach.

[–]xynomaster 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

From what I understand they didn't mean this happened when they were somewhere between these ages, they meant it started when she was 17 and he was 11 and ended when she was 19 and he was 13.

[–]andejoh 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well that would make more sense although a 6 year difference at all those ages would be hard to justify IMO. I would consider each of those instances as child rape.

[–]robertlo9 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The sentence actually has a typo and some poor grammar, so I'm sorry to say it's not a good one.

[–]HeForeverBleeds[S] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, I apologize profusely.

[–]robertlo9 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're fine. I'm just being silly. :)

[–]curtis7676 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Am I wrong in my observation that the less attractive the woman abuser looks the more time she gets?

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope. Seems like it.

[–]unpicked-username 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women fashion industry can appeal to (society won't call a female a lesbian for calling a woman pretty) both men and women, who may give a biased sentence based on appearance or fashion

[–]alclarkey 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She's fat an unattractive, and that seems to be litmus test for how much jail time a woman gets, so.... yeah.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is true, the pretty ones walk free.

[–]MRA-automatron-2kb 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not if she's still has that gloating smile.

[–]Jacobtk 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is a good sentence. If the woman rejects the desk she will get 13 years, suspended down to eight. Usually women walk away with probation only.

[–]andejoh 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That was a different case with the same victim in another jurisdiction. She got 8 years for pleading guilty to these charges and was offered a plea that would allow her to (possibly) get out in only 8 years if she took the other deal with the other DA. According to the article there is a chance that the sentences may not run concurrently.

I think they'll probably run concurrently, but she may spend a little more than 8 years as I can see her not getting credit for time served for a different set of crimes.

[–]made_of_stardustt 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If it was a male, it would be life time registry. 25 to life in jail.

[–]HeForeverBleeds[S] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry about the title, it's supposed to say *Woman, not "Women"

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems appropriate. I mean, a man would have probably gotten the same sentence...

[–]HeForeverBleeds[S] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

As a sidenote, I'm always glad to see when the boys report their own abusers. It's too under-reported with too many boys trying to justify the experience or who are told by everyone else that they should feel positively about it that they don't end up reporting it

It's good that he recognizes it for what it is and is hopefully getting help now

[–]xynomaster 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a very good point. It's important to let boys know that if they were abused they can report it and they will be taken seriously. Examples like this seem to show that this is working, which is great news.

[–]Leinadro 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is definitely a good take away from this.

Lets be honest males are usually left out when it comes to empowerment so Im glad that despite that he was able to speak up.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't care what the sentences are, as long as they are equal, on average, between men and women

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Electric chair is the only acceptable sentence.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can't simply state the crime and punishment and ask if it's fair. Has she ever done this before? Does she have a criminal record? I'm sure there are other factors judges consider.

[–]ColGraves 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a start, however I have yet to see men getting a time limit on the registry. I've only seen sentences of permanent registration

[–]Machnow 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

isn't this louisiana? where that teacher, the judges daughter, got off and walked for doing the same thing? what the hell?

[–]MakingItWorthit 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Title claims 8 years.

Lapeyrouse would have to serve two years without the benefit of probation, parole or suspension of sentence, be on supervised probation for five years

Will probably be let out early.

[–]xynomaster 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's for the second case which she hasn't plead guilty to yet though. My understanding is that she has to serve the full 8 in the one she's already been convicted of, although I could be wrong.

[–]Zero4505 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds about right ish.... I personally believe it should be more but that's about the norm.

I work corrections

[–]rg57 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That entirely depends on what is meant by "raping". The article doesn't say at all.

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