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Woman (social justice activist) apologizes to judge after being convicted of raping man with cerebral palsy. "I was deeply in love". "I believed that he and I were intellectual equals". The man is incapable of talking.

Kinbaku_enthusiast

February 29, 2016
473 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/03/magazine/what-anna-stubblefield-believed-she-was-doing.html
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Title Woman (social justice activist) apologizes to judge after being convicted of raping man with cerebral palsy. "I was deeply in love". "I believed that he and I were intellectual equals". The man is incapable of talking.
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Kinbaku_enthusiast

Upvotes 473
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Date February 29, 2016 8:50 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/48cedk/woman_social_justice_activist_apologizes_to_judge/
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[–]blueoak9 81 points82 points83 points 10 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

“She was a woman who had fallen in love, your honor,” said her lawyer, James Patton."

So that mitigates it? It is telling that her defense even thought this might help her. It would certainly not help a man's case. It tells us what he expected to work with that jury.

[–]IAmMadeOfNope 65 points66 points67 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

"Jee i fell in love with her. That's why i broke into her house and held her down and forced myself on her"

Yeah, that'd work

God damn is this nonsense hypocritical

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast[S] 17 points18 points19 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, it didn't work this time either.

[–]blueoak9 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

That is true. My point is that her lawyer didn't think it was too absurd to try. That's the gendered difference.

[–]Ipleadbeethovens5th 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Thank God we had a woman judge on the case, and I'm actually not sarcastic. Truly equal opportunity should be a goal.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In my state the only times female perps actually are punished are when they front a female judge. I've been arguing within our rape crisis network that male judges be barred from sitting on cases involving female perpetrators. Female perps ALWAYS put on a pity party trying to present themselves as a victim and the male judges fall for it every time.

[–]Ipleadbeethovens5th 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Church!

[–]NoGardE 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Eh, when evidence is that stacked up, I think the lawyers just go up and argue as their client requests. See the "trans panic" defense.

[–]blueoak9 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think the lawyers just go up and argue as their client requests.

They don't argue obvious losers. This lawyer assumed this one would work. He assumed that for cultural reasons. This culture fetishizes female victims.

[–]NoGardE 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think the trans panic defense is a pretty obvious example of one that won't work. Unless it's the lawyer trying to get an insanity verdict.

[–]blueoak9 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah that one is a real reach. It's trying to bridge off the gay panic defense, which is already pretty shaky with most juries.

[–]nuesuh 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

His defense is literally "She was a woman". the "He was a man in love, your honor" will never ever work.

Being a woman is literally a handicap. You are not responsible for your actions.

[–]Novaer 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If that argument held up in court then statutory rape convictions wouldn't exist.

Edit: Oh wait they don't if you're a woman.

[–]LandMineHare 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Consensual Manhood Endowment Probation", I think is the term.

[–]captain_craptain 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the attorneys job, he'd probably try the same line if it were a man

[–]RacelessSexlessName 62 points63 points64 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"former chairwoman of the philosophy department at Rutgers University"

Does this explain the paint faced nazis at the Milo speech?

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast[S] 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think she was incarcerated before that.

[–]RacelessSexlessName 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just means she had time to teach her psychotics to people before Milo ever went there. The point is that the problem is systemic to the roots of the teachers. We need to get these wackjobs out of teaching our children.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That just makes it worse cause you know they don't even need her help now. The damage she does to the administration and the kids still lingers.

[–]Lhtfoot 35 points36 points37 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

When Judge Teare at last addressed the court, it was in a tone of practiced weariness. “I have thought long and hard,” she said. Dozens of Anna’s friends and colleagues — philosophers, disability activists, practitioners of facilitated communication and their clients — had written letters of support, painting Anna as caring and compassionate. But the judge read from only one submission, from Anna’s ex-husband, Roger. “I am shocked that Anna and her handlers would spin this incident as a disabilities-rights case in a weak attempt to deflect Anna’s willful participation when she should have known better,” Roger wrote. He said that his daughter had been turned against him and that he had been abandoned and betrayed and treated as “just another chunk of collateral damage.” Now his son has dropped out of school, he wrote, “and I fear that he is indulging in harmful pursuits.”

“I do believe that Anna is a pathological liar and narcissistic,” Roger’s letter went on. “I believe it possible that given any opportunity she would definitely repeat the effort to pose herself as Anne Sullivan to Helen Keller, or perhaps a martyr like Anne Frank. She will stop at nothing to fool the court and seek vindication, regardless of the emotional and financial expense to her family or the primary victim’s family.”

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Holy shit. The pain this man must have gone through has been repaid plus interest. Scathing.

[–]jubbergun 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really, the judge citing him does nothing to repair the damage done to his relationship with his daughter or pull his son out of a downward spiral. Having the judge read what he wrote to acknowledge just how right he was is a Pyrrhic victory.

[–]andejoh 45 points46 points47 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The crime calls for 10 to 40 years. She's convicted of 2 counts and is the perfect example of a predator stalking it's prey, but gets 12 years. That's so close to the minimum guidelines that I can't help but say pussy pass.

[–]xynomaster 39 points40 points41 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Are you kidding? It's not probation...that's huge progress.

[–]Zoenboen 18 points19 points20 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If he was 12 and not having cerebral palsy, it would be probation.

[–]Lhtfoot 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with both these comments, ironically.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think its fair considering the circumstances.

[–]Ipleadbeethovens5th 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, his life is going to be basically the same if he was raped or not. He still can't get dressed, he still can't communicate, and he still has the mind of a toddler. He might have liked it.

What she did was obviously criminal, and she's going to jail for it, but it's not as bad as raping a 12 yo.

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[–]fullhalter 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The man is absolutely not retarded, cerebral palsy is a movement disorder. The reason he can't talk is because he can't control his own muscle movements, not because he is mentally disabled.

[–]Diesel-66 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's also mentally disabled. http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2015/11/professor_asks_judge_to_throw_out_conviction_for_s.html

[–]Lurker_IV 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, that has been bothering me this whole time. That guy has a perfectly good brain in there. Surely there must be someway to communicate with him. What does he have to say about all of this?

[–]Diesel-66 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This whole thing started because she lied about her ability to teach him to use a keyboard. She basically used him as a ouiji board and wrote love letters

[–]baskandpurr 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Indeed. The defense amounts to "My client is a woman and therefore brain damaged. She's too stupid to prevent herself from raping people". Way to go social justice.

[–]acelister 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe she should have been taught that it's wrong, you know from a young age.

[–]mrathrw 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“My mom is a very good person,” she declared. Zoe’s father, Roger Stubblefield, had been abusive to them, she said, which is why her mother “ran off with a disabled man to begin with.”

As per usual. Whenever you do something wrong, just pick the nearest man and say he abused you into doing it. God forbid you take responsibility for your actions.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This person pretty much used a crude Clever Hans scam to convince the victim's family that he could communicate and took advantage of that trust to rape a disabled person. What a sick person.

[–]Ipleadbeethovens5th 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The most important thing I think you can really take away is how an echo chamber has dangerous consequences. I have no doubt that this person believed what they were doing was right.

Facilitated communication was Proven as crap, and people just went back for more, rebranding it, doing it in safe spaces etc. She used his hand as a Oujia board to say whatever her sadly twisted yet erudite mind wanted. This might actually make a great musical or opera.

PS Kind of like you can still find people who think the Moonlanding was fake they just feed off each other.

edit or how MGTOW bans almost discussion, not echoey..

[–]SinisterMJ 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, I laughed at the last part. Guess I am going to hell... again.

[–]The4ker 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She's not wrong about intellectual equals.

[–]kragshot 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

White women's privilege in full effect.

She just "knew" that what she was doing was right and just. Despite the wishes of his family and despite the ethical boundaries that were already in place with her role, she just decided to say "fuck it...I know better because 'we are in love'"

And then in the comments...the one berk who uses the "erect penis" line to defend what this woman was doing. That person needed the shit slapped out of them for even bringing that up in this context. And all of these other people trying to defend Stubblefield in this, but who go silent when confronted with the gender reversal of the situation.

Fuck all of this...I feel disgusted about these fucked up people who are trying to defend this fuckery.

[–]Ser_Rodrick_Cassel 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

serious question though, is there a way for someone with such a mental handicap can give consent? if not, does it mean that they can't legally have sex ever because it would always be rape? that doesn't sound fair to them at all.

[–]fullhalter 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Cerebal Palsy is not a mental handicap, It's a movement disorder. He can't talk because he can't control his own muscle movements, not because he's mentally challenged.

[–]clybourn 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The article says he has the mental ability of a toddler.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well say you couldn't communicate: how could we know you are enjoying yourself sexually?

[–]Ser_Rodrick_Cassel 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

haha whoosh

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But if you could do that on purpose, you could communicate.

Aren't you, like her, entirely too optimistic about being able to interpret someone who couldn't correct you if you were wrong?

Particularly since CB comes with involuntary facial movement, epilepsy and spasms. Do we have sex with children or down syndrome adults based on non-verbal cues?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Women Chiming in: Ew! No! Just NO! I worked as a CNA for a number of years and there was this crazy older (40's CNA as well) woman who fell in "love" with one of the patients. She was found having sex with him in his room. The guy was a clinically diagnosed narcissist with ASD and could not make decisions for himself or seriously consent. She was fired but didn't get into real trouble for it.

[–]Bullfrog777 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I didn't need to know you were a woman to get the point you were making in your post.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Yea but she's a W O M E N, did you pick up the fact that she's actually a W O M E N. Hi, women here chiming in. Hey there, female here.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Wow guys, I support your cause in all but there is no reason to be rude. I put my gender on here because I figured that you would want to know that there are women out there who think guys get the short end of the stick at times. I think it's wrong that you don't have equal rights to your kids or that rape is used a weapon by some women to get what they want ect. If you hate females fine but no need to jump down a supporters throat over it.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast[S] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

If you hate females fine

No, hating women or men isn't fine, although I get what you're trying to say.

Men have to deal with women that expect to be treated with special care and consideration, just for being a woman. It's much like women have to deal with men trying to pick them up even once in a while even if they're clearly not interested.

I understand that this is one of those invisible things if you've probably never been exposed to it and I doubt you meant anything bad with it.

It's much like the first time a genuinely friendly guy makes idle small talk with a girl and she gives him a dirty look... it's not really either of their faults but a somewhat understandable development of something that has been a negative experience for someone before.

I think if you use that lens and reread your first post you might understand somewhat the reaction you got.

Also, I appreciated your post and it's pretty scary that she didn't get into more trouble for essentially raping the guy.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't mean anything bad by it at all this is a new topic for me after years of programming. I don't believe in feminism I believe in equal rights. I think that if I got pregnant and the guy wanted to keep the kid more power to him as long as it wasn't a trick to get child support which women often try to pull. I can understand why a guy would be jumpy if they were treated poorly by a woman because I have had the same issues with men.

To quote many a nice male (turning the quote female) I have met:

"Not all women are bad people but its the evil women that give us a bad name."

I don't think that we should hate or degrade the opposite sex but I also think that women should respect themselves and other people. This seems to be a lost art amongst my gender. Sure, I understand if you want to dress like you just crawled out of a dumpster but what is that saying about your family? What does it say about you if you get drunk? What does it say about you when you blame someone for something that didn't happen just to get attention?

Women's liberation has turned into "I can do whatever the hell I want regardless of the consequences because I have become a protected class of people who are rarely blamed for the same crimes men are often blamed for and sure the draft is great if I am not endanger of having to enlist ect ect"

Women's Lib has turned women into a bunch of raging, drunken, entitled, infantile, whiners who use their gender as an excuse to not pull their weight. We have won our rights to our bodies, the right to vote, and for the most part, fair wages. Why do we complain anymore? It went from basic rights to getting away with rape because "guy's always want it". Sound familiar ladies?

Sorry, went kind of ranty there...

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't mean anything bad by it at all this is a new topic for me after years of programming.

I know the feeling.

I like to explore the origin of ideas as well as my first encounter with certain ideas. I think I was 13 when I first heard the idea that one out of five women would be raped in her lifetime. I can only imagine how this false statistic influenced my thinking and attitudes, but I remember thinking about it a lot.

"I can do whatever the hell I want regardless of the consequences because I have become a protected class of people who are rarely blamed for the same crimes men are often blamed for and sure the draft is great if I am not endanger of having to enlist ect ect"

I wish I could agree that this was a new thing, but the co-opting of women's shelters to exclude male caregivers and the white feather campaign are two examples that show to me that the origin of women's liberation being to get women the perks but not the responsibilities that men have.

And it's not exactly like we're talking about all men having these perks either.

And don't worry about the rant, they can be good. You didn't say anything about the self-declaration of gender. Does that mean you got what I wrote?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I understood it. :)

[–]Bullfrog777 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did you really think my post was me "jumping down your throat"? If we're going to get anywhere, we have to stop making things a gendered issue and that's exactly what you're post was doing. These things should be HUMAN issues.

[–]Mildly_Sociopathic 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

SJW rapes a retard?

So, auto-fellatio?

[–]Reason-and-rhyme -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Wow, well done. It's users like you that really demonstrate what men's rights is all about :)

[–]Bwhitty23 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Geez lighten up.

[–]Mildly_Sociopathic 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I try :)

[–]Shoklan 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You have an appropriate username sir.

[–]Involution88 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Congrats on getting laid, Palsy bro! There is a certain irony present.

Reminds me of the World According to Garp.

Facilitated communication is largely BS, but not all of it is bullshit, most of it is bullshit. Facilitated communications faces huge problems with people who use those who cannot communicate as a sympathy shield to hide their intentions or crimes. The horse/fish entrails/retard/tea leaves say that... Somehow I think it was mental masturbation and projection more than anything else.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast[S] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes but look at the enablers around her...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh in that case, no punishment needed

[–]tlahwm1 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm embarrassed this woman is associated with my alma mater. The fact that she still can't admit what she did was wrong - as well as the fact that she has tons of supporters - drives me insane.

[–]thedoze 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well she wasn't wrong. 500th

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As usual the evil lies within the good people, the caring ones. The members of bible study groups. Creature of malice and bigotry.

I should feel some respect for their skills in deception but theres only despite. Wasted on victims, people who cannot fight their actions.

Burn the witch!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"I believed that he and I were intellectual equals."

You weren't wrong.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So I guess if "professing love" excuses assault, then domestic violence isn't an issue anymore

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[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast[S] 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Who claimed exactly that?

But I find it a sign of the times that there are multiple directors, poets, and opera writers waiting to write this as a love story. To take the quote from the article:

A three-person documentary film crew gathered tape from the jury box. “I’m interested in this as a love story,” the director told me later. (Since publishing my article, I have also heard from playwrights, poets and producers. The other day, I met for tea with a composer, who described his plan to render Anna’s story as an opera, with the court transcript as his libretto.)

Do you not think there is a double standards at play and do you not think that noting those double standards is important for progress of equal rights?

[–]Lhtfoot 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This post was relevant to r/Mensrights... I'm glad I read it. Thanks.

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[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast[S] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's varying degrees of cerebral palsy. He was unable to communicate and thus unable to consent.

[–]RunawayGrain 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

a crime that calls for 10 to 40 years in prison

The issue is the perception that a male assailant would have gotten a tougher sentence. Consider this: most of time when a female teacher winds up having sex with an underage guy, there is a subtext, right or wrong, that the guy wanted it, and was sexually aggressive towards the teacher which is then used to excuse all or part of her behavior. That's clearly not the case here.

that she was a tenured professor of ethics at Rutgers University in Newark and D.J. has been declared by the state to have the mental capacity of a toddler.

Consider also that this woman was an authority figure over a mentally handicapped individual who sexually molested that individual. So in every sense possible this is the worst form of exploitation ... and the woman barely got more than the minimum sentence.

If you read a bit more up on this case, this woman is very sick, and should be away from actual human beings for a very long time.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/04/a_look_at_teacher-student_sex.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/25/magazine/the-strange-case-of-anna-stubblefield.html

Edit: Also, Facilitated Communication, which this woman was supposedly using with the disabled guy, has been debunked pretty thoroughly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facilitated_communication

There is widespread agreement within the scientific community and multiple disability advocacy organizations that facilitators, not the person with the communication disability, are the source of all or most messages obtained through FC, by guiding the arm of the patient towards answers they expect to see or that form intelligible language

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I have to say I'm getting a little weary of this. I swear there's one of these how is this men's rights posts on almost everything now.

[–]bigc503 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the comments section of this sub could offer an opportunity to give how's and why's to someone. I found this post to be a bit over my head but I've followed this sub for a long time

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