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Even sanders is buying into the wage gap myth.

Why_The_Allies_Won

December 11, 2015
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Title Even sanders is buying into the wage gap myth.
Author

Why_The_Allies_Won

Upvotes 34
Comments 33
Date December 11, 2015 10:10 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3wfoou/even_sanders_is_buying_into_the_wage_gap_myth/
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[–]deez_nuts_730 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I don't believe this should come as a surprise. But I do wonder who do you guys know to be the best candidate for men's rights?

[–]Claude-Lau 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Bernie is the best candidate imo. No one's going to support men's rights at this stage, but he may do something about poverty-wages for working class men, union-busting, corporate free trade agreements, the war on drugs, war, over-imprisonment, prison rape, the homeless and so forth.

If Hillary gets the nomination I would sooner vote for Trump, but wouldn't vote for either of those sociopaths.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He also has a record of supporting veterans.

[–]ThePigmanAgain -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

But I do wonder who do you guys know to be the best candidate for men's rights?

Trump.

P.S

How scary is that?

[–]Spoonwood 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

On what basis do you claim that Trump makes for the best candidate for men's rights?

[–]Claude-Lau 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He doesn't identify as a feminist. That's apparently enough for many quasi "MRA"s.

[–]ThePigmanAgain -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Quasi MRA? You are an idiot.

[–]ThePigmanAgain -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He's the only one not threatening us with all sorts of feminist shit. He'd be terrible in other ways, of course, but the question was about men's rights, not about overall performance.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All the candidates are horrible for men.

Women have a powerful, well-funded lobby that demands candidates acknowledge and cowtow to them for their share of the vote.

Men have no such lobby. Or solidarity.

Men get screwed because we don't stand as one block.

And, unfortunately, men are unlikely to adopt this strategy.

[–]BlueDoorFour 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's kinda required to get elected as a democrat. It's not a major focus of his campaign, though, so I still think he's the best candidate out there.

[–]Bl_rp 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I love Sanders, but this is by far the worst thing about him. Whoever operates his facebook page is constantly spewing this garbage.

Hopefully he'll tone down that rhetoric if he gets past the primaries and doesn't have to face a woman.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know if that's the worst thing about him, but then again I find the majority of his rhetoric somehow both cloying and strident.

[–]ThePigmanAgain -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sanders can't win the primaries -- he is not a woman and does not have one on the ticket. Only a Sanders/Warren team up can stop HC getting the nomination.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which is funny given his female staff make on average ~54% of his male ones.

[–]alclarkey 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You expected anything else from him?

[–]Spoonwood 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bernie Sanders is a feminist:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/24/hey-bernie-sanders-are-you-a-feminist/

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/07/bernie_sanders_uber_feminist_making_america_more_scandinavian_would_mark_a_gender_equality_breakthrough/

http://mic.com/articles/119074/5-times-bernie-sanders-spoke-the-feminist-truth#.KQLOPbIqe

[–]nitzua 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

all the Bernie apologists make me sick. he will never win, and even if he does his 'promises' will be stripped bare.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Even Sanders? That's like saying that even the feminists are buying into it. The man's a leftist, it's a foregone conclusion that he will suck up the to wiminz.

[–]Claude-Lau 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

As opposed to the chivalric "rightists"?

Do tell, how do your right wing brethren intend to foment men's rights?

[–]ThePigmanAgain 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

LOL

Right wing? I'd destroy the state and put the means of production under direct control of the people. Not sure what that makes me these days (except someone who will never get his way) but it sure isn't a right winger!

[–]Lethn -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As one person on reddit said to me to some people anything that's slightly to the right of Stalin is considered 'right wing' these days. Holy fuck authoritarians annoy the fuck out of me, I wish they'd just fuck off with their tribal bullshit.

You can be pretty damn centre on the political compass like me and a Voluntaryst and they'll still scream you're an evil right wing fascist.

[–]rossraskolnikov 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its a political consensus.

[–]Juan_Golt 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Meh. Democrats win elections based on the female vote. They have to toe that line.

[–]OmegaParticle 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I lost respect for Sanders awhile ago.

[–]nimuymuynitantan 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, he is a Dem, after all.

[–]Lethn -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Sanders also thinks that the minimum wage is a good idea, he buys into a lot of the left wing bullshit and also doesn't stand up to the feminists or black lives matter protestors. The only reason I'd be happy to see Bernie Sanders in power in the U.S is so that people can see just how badly a left wing government can fuck shit up when they can do whatever they want.

[–]Claude-Lau 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Sanders also thinks that the minimum wage is a good idea

Like all rational people. You should check out what life was like in the US prior to unions and minimum wage laws. Charles Dickens was even more appalled by what he witnessed in American slums than the hell-holes in his native England. In some cases workers literally starved to death. Anarcho-capitalism is no less utopian than communism.

Edit: I'd like to point out that I'm being downvoted on R/MensRights for advocating a minimum wage. That's pretty fucking horrifying.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Like all rational people.

I guess Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Austria, Italy and Singapore have no rational people then.

Anarcho-capitalism is no less utopian than communism.

I'm going to assume you mean no more utopian, but no one is honestly claiming either is utopian.

Every economic system has flaws and limitations, but all the ones in capitalism are not unique to capitalism. That is why it is the best system available: not because it's perfect, but because it's the least flawed/limited.

Edit: I'd like to point out that I'm being downvoted on R/MensRights for advocating a minimum wage. That's pretty fucking horrifying.

No you're being downvoted for invoking scaremongering oversimplicity. The minimum wage is a lot more complex than you give, and Charles Dickens was a fiction writer not an economist.

People were starving to death not due to a lack of a minimum wage but due to the fact that food was simply more scarce for the vast majority of human history.

Minimum wages are like any price control: they either make it illegal to sell at the equilibrium price or they don't. If they don't, they're superfluous; if they do then they create a shortage of either goods or customers.

It was the increased productivity of food and thus increased supply of it that reduced starvation.

The minimum wage was passed in 1938 during the depression following a huge deflationary event.

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I highly recommend that anybody trying to trash my post go and look up some actual economics and learn about how bad hyperinflation is.

Any 'prosperity' you get from these people is usually fake and only temporary, we are currently living in a hyperinflationary bubble. The only thing the minimum wage will do is force businesses to raise their wages slightly ( while also not keeping up with the constantly rising commodity prices due to hyperinflation ) and make peoples lives better temporarily. Nevermind the fact that any small businesses who are already struggling won't be able to afford it so will go out of business or have to make a lot of lay offs.

The solution to this problem is more complicated than just enacting a law. Western economics is a century old con that has been devised to rob the poor and the middle class through stealth taxation via money printing.

Cyprus and Greece are just the beginning and reactionary politics like what you lot are advocating by trying to shout me down claiming "BLAH MINIMUM WAGE WILL MAKE PEOPLES' LIVES BETTER STUPID CAPITALIST" simple don't know enough about the amount of damage central banks cause to our countries.

Actually, because I won't be able to explain this even in several posts, I'll post you a really good video on the subject of money printing. All these 'solutions' that left or right politicians in the mainstream offer are just temporary and designed to make gullible people like you lot vote for them they don't fix the overall problem which is the monetary system itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0

If you go and dismiss this video like some people usually do then it's clear you just don't have any interest in properly learning about the problem and are just only interested in catering to your stupid tribal politics and bashing anyone who disagrees with you.

Bernie Sanders is just playing the same game every politician does with the debt ceiling the same as anybody else, to claim otherwise is extremely dishonest.

[–]soalone34 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We have a slew of libertarian "tax is theft" types due to the recent exposure MRM got from right wing sites.

[–]Lethn -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What happens when you don't pay your taxes then if it isn't theft? :)

[–]Daemonicus 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Didn't the US have some pretty good economic prosperity when Clinton was in charge?

[–]youhatetruth 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like what sort of left wing bullshit?

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