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Child Support & Fear of Debtor's Prison forces black man to flee a police officer - White SC officer unjustly shot him and the officer is now charged with murder

wrez

April 8, 2015
71 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://news.yahoo.com/protest-planned-white-sc-officer-charged-murder-092432016.html
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Title Child Support & Fear of Debtor's Prison forces black man to flee a police officer - White SC officer unjustly shot him and the officer is now charged with murder
Author

wrez

Upvotes 71
Comments 42
Date April 8, 2015 1:07 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/31vawh/child_support_fear_of_debtors_prison_forces_black/
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Comments

[–]wrez[S] 16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Child Support and Debtor's Prison: A marriage made in hell.

[–]Leinadro 20 points21 points22 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

This is a horrible event. There is no reason to shoot a person that is running. That's what chasing is for.

And the fact that all he had on his record was back child support makes it all the worse.

[–]richardnorth -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

This is a horrible event however chasing doesn't seem so great either.
What exactly will all the other people think when they see this "chase"? How will the other men in the neighborhood react when they see this chase? And when the policeman catches up to this man, in an indeterminate location, and proceeds to tackle him, with all the onlookers around, what then? Hmmm. I wonder.

[–]brzcory 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"If I run, they're gonna shoot me. If I stop, they're gonna shoot me. I might as well shoot them first."

Heard at a bonfire a couple years back. Didn't know the guy, but it's always stuck in my head.

[–]Frittern 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The sentiments of someone not long for this world.

[–]Requi3m 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So you're saying we should not chase criminals who run? You might as well just cut funding to the entire criminal justice system.

It doesn't really matter what the people in the neighborhood think.

Note: I don't think not paying child support should be a crime. But your questions are silly.

[–]rg57 -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So you're saying we should not chase criminals who run

Not sure if that's what richardnorth is saying, but it IS what I'm saying.

Look at the world we live in. Do you honestly think someone can remain unapprehended for long? And if they do, aren't they already being punished?

It's not worth the money, nor the risk to the public. (Unless they're about to murder someone, for example)

[–]SaigaFan -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

This is a horrible event. There is no reason to shoot a person that is running. That's what chasing is for.

Well no, if the person is a threat to you or others and is moving away shooting them is sometimes preferable to chasing. Someone with a weapon for example and has been attacking people with it.

Down vote all you want but the fact remains that for civilian self defense and police, shooting a running target does have its place in some situations.

[–]rg57 -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But why do they always aim for the chest? That's what I would aim for, because I have no idea how to aim a gun. These people are supposed to have training.

[–]SaigaFan 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You always aim for center mass. Bullets travel a decent distance if you miss and it can be hard to hit your target, even with lots of training. In addition, if you are shooting at someone it should be due to the fact that you need to use deadly force to stop them.

Shooting center mass if what is taught by just about every instructor.

[–]duhhhh 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't it be in the best interests of the child to have the police officer's family pay the child support?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you think for one second that the policeman would have shot a female offender. Because I do not.

[–]richardnorth -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure the system is setup so that women never have to be pursued like this for child support. They might get letters in the mail, but they won't be hunted down, tazed or thrown in jail for child support.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This was murder. No question about it. I do not think the policeman should get the death penalty but life without parole would be a start.

[–]jasonhoblin 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think this incident had less to do with racism and more about the right's of men to not be indentured servants; on pain of death, apparently.

From another article about the same incident: ''Mr. Scott had been arrested about 10 times, mostly for failing to pay child support or show up for court hearings, ... a lawyer for Mr. Scott’s family. “He had back child support and didn’t want to go to jail for back child support.”''

[–]andejoh 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just want to make sure everyone knows this is sarcasm. On the bright side, the wife will probably be able to sue the state on "behalf" for a ton of money and live pretty comfortably.

[–]andejoh 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry got a phone call while typing and forgot on "behalf" of the kids, but that's cool because we know child support is never used for an ex to buy stuff for herself.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It was actually a failure to appear warrant, basically contempt of court for failing to even show up to a hearing about child support.

[–]SupremeAuthority 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Better than a slave life of paying child support.

[–]SnowyGamer -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

This guy stole the cops taser and shot him in the chest with it. Taser didn't work because of the bullet proof chest protector, so he throws it at the officers feet. He was unarmed because he ditched his weapon seconds before he was shot.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Actually I am not sure you are right about this.

[–]SnowyGamer 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

What's inaccurate?

Pretty simple question gets down-voted with no response.

[–]BourbonKing 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Video released shows that the cop planted the taser.

[–]SnowyGamer 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He then picks it back up in the same video released.

[+]Karissa36 -14 points-13 points-12 points 11 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

The shooting was awful. However, the victim was driving a mercedes-benz when he was stopped by the police. It's not a good idea to make this about child support.

[–]Frittern 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's why the warrant for his arrest existed. It may not be the critical element but that warrant was a link that lead to this mans murder.

Why does the make of the car he was driving even matter? It had a hmmm "brake light" out. You can find an older model Benz for a couple of grand. Plus was the car even his? People do share em.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The merc was beaten up and 20 years old! The car was worth very little.

[+][deleted] 11 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Karissa36 -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Those are HIS children. All four of them. He had a duty to help support them. Kids are expensive to feed, house, clothe and bring up. Very few people actually have four children just because it is so expensive. He made his choices which included having four children. He could have stopped after one or two.

[–]Fetish_Goth 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Women shouldn't expect to be single mothers and be taken care of by their ex (or exes). Support better welfare, support a universal basic income, support cheap or free birth control and abortion, but do not force a man to become a slave or else he goes to jail. It's wrong. If he wants to be a father, he can support his children and be in their lives, but he should have a choice whether or not he wants to be a father. She gets a choice whether or not she wants to be a mother. She gets a choice whether or not she wants to be a single mother as well.

[–]Karissa36 -5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

No, he doesn't get a choice four fucking times! Seriously? People with these ideas have never paid substantial taxes. His kids. His problem.

[–]Peter_Principle_ 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No, he doesn't get a choice four fucking times!

What in the world are you talking about? He got a choice zero times. Men don't get a vote on this matter. HER body, HER choice. You remember that whole bit, right?

[–]Karissa36 -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Responsible people do not have four unwanted children. There is a way for men to prevent pregnancy. He made the choice to have unsafe sex.

[–]Peter_Principle_ 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is a way for men to prevent pregnancy.

Indeed there is. But let's not be completely stupid and pretend that this was some sort of equal choice between him and his female sex partner(s). Men have some small part of a say right at the very beginning and then the remaining 99.999% of the decision rests with the woman (but not the responsibility for the decision, of course).

[–]chavelah 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I pay substantial taxes, and I think the world would be a better place if the state could not compel men to support illegitimate children. Perhaps women would finally STOP HAVING ILLEGITIMATE CHILDREN.

[–]carchamp1 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. You've hit the nail on the head chavelah.

[–]Karissa36 -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I would agree with you if I thought that was an actual possibility. It is not, because once you get pregnant those hormones start pumping and abortion is a very very hard choice. Most women will not do it absent extraordinary circumstances. We are designed to reproduce. The entire fate of the human race depends on women reproducing. Centuries and centuries of evolution push towards that. The time to stop illegitimate children is before she gets pregnant. After that all bets are off.

[–]carchamp1 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Blah, blah, blah... I am woman, hear me roar, I can't possibly be responsible for my own choices, surely a man is to blame, if necessary please shoot him in the back.

[–]chavelah 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hear you, but again with the taxes. Let's plow that money into sex education and free contraception FOR BOTH SEXES, and in the inevitable cases where we fail to prevent out-of-wedlock pregnancies, let's suck it up and pay some more so the kid won't starve. We, as a society, can bear this burden lightly. Individual men are crushed under it.

[–]Fetish_Goth 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As long as it's her body, her choice, it's her responsibility.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The reason why this man got murdered is because the combination of being a black man and a so-called deadbeat, a term used by women about those who refuse to pay for women's choices, made him nothing but a stray dog that could be put down like one by an enforcer in a gynocentric society. His life meant nothing as he didn't pay for women's choices.

[–]rottingchrist 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"I'm not saying it's good, but the guy was driving a nice car."

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