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Author of Rolling Stone's fake rape story apologizes to "victims of sexual assault," but not to her victims of false accusations. She and her editors and fact checkers keep their jobs. Publisher says there will be no policy changes at Rolling Stone.

UpvoteMeImFeminist

April 6, 2015
204 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/04/05/columbia-report-on-rolling-stone-coverage/25338141/
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Title Author of Rolling Stone's fake rape story apologizes to "victims of sexual assault," but not to her victims of false accusations. She and her editors and fact checkers keep their jobs. Publisher says there will be no policy changes at Rolling Stone.
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UpvoteMeImFeminist

Upvotes 204
Comments 56
Date April 6, 2015 9:27 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/31m10i/author_of_rolling_stones_fake_rape_story/
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https://theredarchive.com/post/983904
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[–]DJeasyline 26 points27 points28 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What? They were still calling her a rape victim in the apology? Jesus

[–]DavidByron2 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They are pretending they were too deferential to her but at the same time they still insist on being just as deferential to any other "victims", and change nothing.

[–]jo939 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Doing what you ask them to do will obviously make it easier for the Frat to sue, since it only proves willingness to defame. It's not going to happen and frankly I'm not surprised either. Glad the Frat is suing them. I would too. Frat was vandalized for something that was not their fault. Still the lack of apology shows us how little we have come.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

This is not okay. A kotakuinaction style boycott should be started against Rollingstone and anyone who advertises with them. #reportingliesisnotokay.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I hope that frat sues the fuck out of that shitrag. They won't respond to anything else

[–]falloutboy14 12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

This is the first thing that came to mind when they didn't apologize to the frat. They're preparing themselves for a lawsuit and don't want to admit guilt. Good Luck to the frat on this one.

[–]Mitthrawnuruodo1337 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Actually, the managing editor and the "independent" investigation both admitted to damaging the frat.

"We would like to apologize to our readers and to all of those who were damaged by our story and the ensuing fallout, including members of the Phi Kappa Psi fraternity and UVA administrators and students," Dana [the editor] wrote.

And from the report:

There has been other collateral damage. "It's completely tarnished our reputation," said Stephen Scipione, the chapter president of Phi Kappa Psi, the fraternity Jackie named as the site of her alleged assault.

So if Phi Kappa Psi wants to sue, which they really, really should, I think Rolling Stone is basically boned. They'll probably settle though, which sucks because it will keep the concept of victims of false accusations further from the public mind.

[–]heimdahl81 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I can't see the frat suing her. It would be a PR nightmare. It would be spun as a bunch of privileged young men harassing a rape victim and just add fuel to the fire.

[–]Mitthrawnuruodo1337 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I meant they should sue Rolling Stone. Ideally, they'd sue her, too... but you're 100% right the way that would be spun.

[–]wardog77 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

On the contrary, it would be an important milestone for them to assert the fact that it's not ok to crap on them because they have the audacity to be a congregation of men.

[–]ewilliam 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, they're planning to do just that. Well, they're suing RS anyway.

[–]walkonthebeach 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The frat seem very smart. They are going to sue the RS mag; but I reckon they will offer to donate any financial award to anti-rape groups etc. Smart.

[–]yummyluckycharms 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

except that there wasnt a rape victim

They should sue and sue big time

[–]DavidByron2 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But nobody in the media has dared to call "Jackie" a liar and a serial false accuser. She's still a "survivor".

[–]DavidByron2 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They will argue in court that being falsely accused of rape is no big deal -- feminist ideology.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Some people on this subreddit called it correctly: apologies to rape victims but not to the targets of the accusations.

[–]canadianvw 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish I could say it's skepticism that led the call. But apparently it's become a pattern in today's society.

[–]Bravely_Default 19 points20 points21 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This author is still writing for the Ny times, how she has a job anywhere in journalism is astounding to me. UVA and the fraternity should sue for defamation and slander.

[–]DavidByron2 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Her sin isn't bad journalism, but good feminism. And nobody will fire her for being a good feminist.

[–]bertreapot 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it's the same as the group of 88 at duke. all of them went on to prominent positions in academia. if you're on the right side of the lynching you get rewarded

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I hate to say it, but Rolling Stone magazine has gone from the heady days of Hunter Thompson to its current back-water, bullshit infested tome. It's tried to stay edgy to remain relevant in a digital world, but let's be honest: the people who started reading Rolling Stone when they were young are pushing 60 and no one under 30 even remembers it.

This was a hatchet job intended to bring in huge numbers. A cover story that was going to cause non-buyers to pick-up an issue and read, voraciously, the 9,000-word treatise on rape & college.

The only victim is a young man accused of rape. In an era when campuses are digital, I doubt this person had much anonymity, or hope of a balanced life. Rolling Stone should be made to compensate this individual and publish an article speaking to his character-- a person who was vilified unnecessarily by a callous reporter and a magazine hell-bent on making a splash.

[–]dungone 12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, to be fair, that young man was a figment of Jackie's imagination. The real victims is the fraternity who had their house vandalized, who became pariahs on campus, as well as all the other Greeks who had their activities suspended by the school.

[–]DavidByron2 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well recently they had about the best coverage of the financial collapse of any media out there with Matt Taibbi.

[–]Electroverted 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I knew it would be a Sorry Not Sorry. Media agencies have zero acountability, and much like law enforcement, it's a loss of face if they admit to hurting anyone innocent.

[–]InBaggingArea 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

This all goes to show that, in the long run, you only weaken your case when you exaggerate.

These people should lose their jobs.

[–]DavidByron2 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Feminists have been lying for 150 years. I guess it's all about to go sour on them you think? or maybe next century?

Take the wage gap. Even most MRAs refuse to call out feminists as liars on that issue but instead enter the feminist framework based on lies and try to argue from inside it, not challenge it.

lying works very well when you control the media.

[–]InBaggingArea 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

So what do you propose?

[–]DavidByron2 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Call them out as liars.

Ah but then you look mean to the little ladies don't you? so most MRA won't do it.

[–]InBaggingArea 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why would you look mean calling someone a liar? If you can substantiate it, they will look mean for lying, surely?

[–]DavidByron2 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I would love to live in your world :)

[–]InBaggingArea 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You do.

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[–]InBaggingArea 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pathetic.

[–]darkstout 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

What is amazing is how many people were involved in the story: multiple editors, a fact checker, and in-house lawyers. Hard-working people with decades of combined experience.

Sean Woods, the primary editor has a humbling quote:

"I've learned that even the most trusted and experienced people – including, and maybe especially, myself – can make grave errors in judgment."

Sabrina Erdely, the journalist, actually places blame on her editor:

"In retrospect, I wish somebody had pushed me harder ... I guess maybe I was surprised that nobody said, 'Why haven't you called them?'"

Yet apparently he did push her harder:

Woods remembered the sequence differently. After he read the first draft, he said, "I asked Sabrina to go reach the three friends. She said she couldn't.'"

So internally someone is lying about how the actual story was investigated!

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[–]blueoak9 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think this can be explained by how ubiquitous the feminist dogma is.

It goes a lot deeper and a lot older than that. Mayella didn't need feminists advocating for her when she falsely accused a man of rape after initiating sex.

[–]DavidByron2 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

can make grave errors in judgment."

But that's bullshit because they don't consider that they did anything wrong

[–]warspite88 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

thats because men do not matter... its been that way for ...forever..feminism sure didnt change that, no they made it much worse. nice equality feminism

[–]blueoak9 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

She apologizes to everyone except the people she actually wronged because they and what she did to them just don't matter to her.

Sociopath.

[–]SimCity8000 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Leaving the frat out of the apology may have been a logistical move, considering the frat is pursuing a lawsuit.

[–]Noze_Zelle 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Rolling Stone is a magazine, not a reputable news source. The people who believed the story are just as much at fault. It's not journalism, it's blogging.

[–]StrikingEarth 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Rolling stone is a garbage tabloid on the same rack of the magazines that ramble about meteors carrying armies of radioactive nazi gorillas. They're in every check out line in every grocery store.

I don't see why people care about rolling stone. It lost its cultural relevancy 15 years ago.

[–]DavidByron2 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wrong. RS have a reputation for very solid journalism on any other topic. they have a raft of policies in place to get the story right and all those policies were voided for this story. This didn't happen because RS is "just a magazine", it happened despite the fact that RS is normally very careful with it's stories. It happened because the feminist ideology trumps journalism.

[–]yopp343 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They've done some hard hitting stories, like the one about Gen Stanley McChrystal that got him fired.

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[–]guywithaccount 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

It is absolutely a reputable news source.

Yeah, well, not anymore.

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[–]yummyluckycharms 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

How so?

The corporate culture clearly doesnt respect accountability. No one was fired for their slander, an entire system of checks and balances were ignored, and lastly, it should be pointed out that in order for that story to have been published, the editors in charge were complicit in publishing it.

This is a corporate culture that is rotten from the top down, which suggests, if anything, that we should expect more crappy reporting.

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[–]yummyluckycharms 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

In order for it to be published, it had to be deliberate. Again, editors approve everything that gets published - meaning they deliberately had to say - yes print it.

Stop being an apologist for bigotry

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[–]yummyluckycharms 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Nonsense. Do you even know how the media business works? Editors have to approve the layout and content of every page before it gets sent to print

Editors from respectable media outlets know that when something is sensational, that they ensure the sources are accurate. That didnt happen at all here - not from the writer, not her boss and the way up to the editor herself. Gross negligence and systemic failure on all fronts and to this scale can only happen when there is an ideological agenda that needs to be pushed. The fact that nobody was fired clearly despite contravening the most hallowed function of the press illustrates that this organizational's corporate culture is rotten

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[–]DavidByron2 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They have said nothing to indicate any change of policy, and indeed the policy wasn't the issue except for the policy of "believe women". They have not said they will now refuse to believe women. in fact they seem to be trying to hide the fact that is the root of the problem here.

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