Watch What Happens When a Woman Tries "Manspreading" on the Subway. Did you know that "space in inherently gendered?

2015-01-06T15:05:02+00:00

As ridiculous as this is, I'm actually glad manspreading has gone from a small thing that only a couple of crazy feminists on Tumblr complained about to a campaign focal point of mainstream feminism. It just shows how desperate they are and really makes the entire movement of feminism look petty and and rather pathetic.

Not to mention it honestly doesn't look like anybody really gives a shit when she does it so way to defeat the whole purpose of your argument, genius. I mean nobody came up to her all bitter with a tape measure aimed at her crotch.

zulu127 · 2015-01-06T09:51:32+00:00

This author is toxic.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2015-01-06T12:08:43+00:00

As it turns out, people respond very differently to a woman taking up tons of space on the subway. It involves a lot more staring, glaring and photo-sharing. When men do it? Not so much.

Or the woman is very attractive and it has nothing to do with spreading.

Oh and that study finding dishonesty? Here's one of their methods of determining that:

Finally, though participants believed they would receive $4 payment as they were initially told, t he experimenter handed them $8, which was comprised of $1, $1, $5, and $1 bills, fanned out (Figure 2) and presented such that participants noticed the “accid ental” overpayment . The dependent measure was whether or not the participant kept the overpayment. The experimenter coded for whether participants checked the money after they had received it

And another:

First was an anagram test on which unbeknownst to participants , they would later have an opportunity to cheat. This cheating paradigm was adopted from Ruedy and Schweitzer ( 2010 ) . Participants received a packet of materials contained in a manila folder and were allotted four minutes to unscramble 15 anagra ms that were printed on the first page . They were incentivized by the experimenter’s promise of one dollar for every anagram solved. When time was called , participants were instructed to detach and retain the first page and re turn the folder and its remain ing contents to the experimenter. Participants were unaware that an imprint of their test answers were created by a sheet of carbonless copy paper hidden at the back of the folder

Women and men are equal in law, and that includes the right feel safe and comfortable in public spaces.

There is nothing in the law that entitles people that right, or really any right to feel anything.

2015-01-06T15:33:54+00:00

This should be a meme under 1st world problems, but it is an actual modern Feminist issue. Lol.

pundemic · 2015-01-06T15:40:10+00:00

I don't under her point that "people were gawking and taking pictures to post on the Internet." Isn't that how the whole "controversy" over man spreading started?

nrjk · 2015-01-06T13:05:36+00:00

But this isn't just about space. Researchers have found that taking expansive body postures doesn't just make people feel more entitled, it also makes them more likely to steal, cheat and fail to respect traffic laws. So manspreading can breed bigger problems than just crowded subway cars: It reinforces attitudes and behaviors that are harmful for society as a whole.

I also just made something upthat says manspreading also leads to standing up while peeing. Standing up while peeing reinforces a man's unconscious social power he wields over PoC and womyn on a daily basis. Womyn are forced to sit while peeing cementing their 2nd place status in society. The only solution that will solve this is to teach men and boys the proper way to urinate: by sitting down.

sittopee #standingupforsittingdown

Jesus, can I have my Gender Studies degree yet?

nusttothat · 2015-01-06T16:51:39+00:00

That's because of her facial expression. She looks like she's trying to start a fight.

If she put her purse beside her and took up two spaces, nobody would bat an eye.

yoduh4077 · 2015-01-06T10:23:18+00:00

It bothers me that they claim Nick takes up three seats, but seats appear to be ill defined. It looks like two seats to me. I know it's not a big difference, but it still feels dishonest.

rctdbl · 2015-01-06T11:04:41+00:00

Why are her feet angled out like a crab?

rapiertwit · 2015-01-06T16:16:12+00:00

Being inconsiderate of fellow passengers by taking up more space than you need when conditions are crowded is a minor form of antisocial behavior and we should encourage awareness about it.

I'm comfortable with the assertion that more men than women are guilty of this particular kind of inconsiderate behavior. But given that it's not an exclusively male behavior, it's unnecessarily divisive to make it about Men Being Bad. If nobody had coined the phrase "Manspreading" and if the blog that kicked it all off had simply been called "People Taking Up Too Much Space On The Train," then there wouldn't be cause for defensiveness and everybody could (no pun intended) get on board.

Me, I sprawl all over the place on trains, in theaters, wherever... as long as space isn't a tight commodity. As the space fills up I withdraw my body parts and belongings accordingly, and when all seats are taken I'll usually just stand up whether or not there's someone who obviously needs a seat more than I do; I figure even if nobody's pregnant or elderly or on crutches, there's probably somebody more tired than I am. That's all you need to do, be aware of your surroundings and be considerate of your fellow human beings. I would be horrified if someone had to point out I was taking up two seats when there were people in need of a seat. But on the other hand, if someone tries to call me out on making myself comfortable on a half-empty train, they can go fuck themselves.

blueoak9 · 2015-01-06T16:08:41+00:00

"Women are subconsciously taught that they are meant to take up less space at an early age. As Sandra Bartky has remarked before, "appropriate" feminine body language such as keeping your legs crossed and arms close to your body communicates submissiveness. "

So the solution is simple - just stop doing all this submission. But of course then they are not going to be able to play dainty an threatened and whine for protection and help.

It's a woman problem. It's funny how many women solve it almost effortlessly.

Grailums · 2015-01-06T16:28:59+00:00

The irony here is if any man came on a train/bus/whatever with a very large purse filled with a bunch of unnecessary items and put it down on a seat next to him that took up two spaces there is a very, very good chance he would be scorned and shamed into holding the bag in his lap.

Women? Well, they can put their entire apartment building in the seats next to them and no one would raise a hoot.

greenmesh · 2015-01-06T16:41:33+00:00

I really just don't get this whole movement's point because as a male, who has had to rely on public transportation for many years from my preteens until fairly recent, there is one thing that I've noticed: females take up a lot of space on public transportation without effort or hassle. Many times, I have walked onto a bus/train and saw a massive group standing with about 7 seats that seemed to be available. Why weren't they taken though? Because a female was sitting in the aisle seat while the seat next to her was empty or holding her purse/baggage.

The thing that really got me was how entitled they feel to have a seat on the bus/train, even if they are in sections marked for the elderly/handicapped. They'll offer their available seat sometimes sincerely to an elderly person, but some (especially the younger women) scowl as they see that they have an open seat that someone can occupy.

As you could probably assume, the majority of the standing party has often been of the male gender. This is mainly because there probably aren't seats available, but I've also seen that if there is a male seated in the front of the bus and there is a female seated in the front of the bus, if an elderly, handicapped, or female individual walks onto the bus the man gets glared at, cursed at, or even (in extreme cases) assaulted for not offering their seat to the person who just stepped on.

For this reason, I sit in the back of the bus, regardless if there is a purse/bag in the seat originally or if there is a female in the aisle seat protecting her empty seat. If all seats are taken in the back I stand. People sometimes look at me weird for it, but sometimes they question me as to why stand when there are seats available. I let them then know that those seats are reserved for the elderly and handicapped, for which I am neither. The result of that is normally the people already sitting the section offer their seats faster than I'd normally see when they fill up and someone who does have the right to that seats steps onboard. Sometimes though, it gets those same people annoyed because I'm "making them look bad".

zulu127 · 2015-01-06T17:59:45+00:00

"space is inherently gendered."

...welp, I'm done.

2015-01-06T20:17:03+00:00

I don't think the author thought this out really well. All she showed in this video is that it's acceptable for women (all be it they will be "gawked" at) and it's completely unacceptable for a man (even though she showed no one noticing but the one lady) Conclusion, no one in the real world actually gives a shit about this unless they need/want to sit

tempaccountnamething · 2015-01-06T22:26:27+00:00

It seemed like it the article had a lot more to do with how the reporter felt rather than her actually being treated differently. I didn't see any evidence presented other than the fact that she felt like more people were glaring at her.

Oh... And the one guy who took a picture of her "manspreading"? You mean like all the photos that the author posted at the start of the video that were taken of men who do the same thing? Sort of hypocritical to identify the problem using photos taken of men on the subway and then act like it's really creepy when the exact same thing you do gets done back to you.

Does she have no self awareness?

The fascinating thing about this is how people who supposedly represent the side of gender equality are actually the ones turning it into a gendered issue...

People taking up too much space is not a gendered issue. Whether it's sitting too large and taking up lots of space or placing bags or feet on a second seat, the issue is just "not being inconsiderate".

But why then is it called "manspreading" instead of just "spreading". It's sort of like how "mansplain" already has a word - "condescend" - and yet the social justice maniacs want to act like it is a gendered issue and that women are victims.

SlushoParasite · 2015-01-06T20:19:28+00:00

No one notices the guy and yet all these "incriminating" pictures exist of other men...

saoran · 2015-01-06T21:39:22+00:00

"you can move it"

did anyone else notice how the guy was asked to act like an asshole.

"space is inherently gendered"

I literally can't even ...

Sasha_ · 2015-01-06T11:47:43+00:00

Is it just me, or am I the only one who couldn't care less about this 'issue'? Men are usually on transport going to work; women are on it going to the shops - or an appointment with their lawer to work out how to rob some ex-husband blind. It's not the same. Most of these women are doing fuck-all but taking up space anyway. And I'd charge extra for anyone who writes for Gawker etc. because they'll just a waste of good oxygen as well as space.

On a related note; I'd give nurses, police and firefighters free passes because they should be usefull if there's an emergency. Now that's a campaign I'd support.

rg57 · 2015-01-07T09:49:40+00:00

There would be a lot more woman-spreading, but women tend to wear dresses of various lengths, and they don't want anyone to see their panties (if they're wearing any at all), so they don't spread.

Few men wear kilts, and most of those come with that silly pouch thing that weighs down your willy, so you can spread. Men -- even wear dresses better than women.

Title	Watch What Happens When a Woman Tries "Manspreading" on the Subway. Did you know that "space in inherently gendered?
Author	zulu127
Upvotes	18
Comments	49
Date	January 6, 2015 9:50 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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