Is being ugly a mindset or is it truly over for some men and never began?

Miserable_Yam4778 · 2025-03-04T03:27:41+00:00

I have no less than 3 close female friends who would happily and enthusiastically sleep with Danny DeVito. A much broader selection would give up anything to get a night with Jack Black. Women want to fuck Willam Defoe specifically from Nosferatu.

Men telling other men what women want is not a reliable source of information. Most RP dudes would consider my partner a 3 on a good day but we have sex once or twice a day and we're almost 40.

The men attempting to sell you on the idea of endless no stings attached pussy if you just follow their rules are grifters trying to get you to pay for things.

xvszero · 2025-03-04T00:30:09+00:00

Neither.

What's the next question?

Dry_Try635 · 2025-03-04T18:40:46+00:00

I'm a female and sone of the people i want to fuck are considered ugly. I don't think being ugly by social standards necessarily means you aren't sexy. Most of what makes a person unfuckable would include being dishonest, rude unhygienic, cruel lazy or unsanitary and most of those factors are controllable.

Some of the people who I found the hottest society said they were ugly af. They don't see the hot cool mire for me.

KingKunta2-D · 2025-03-04T02:42:03+00:00

The ugly mindset is thinking it's over for some people that from birth you were considered less than.

Practically if a majority percentage of people can find one person attractive. The opposite can also be true

ashaw7 · 2025-03-04T16:01:36+00:00

A man can be a literal burn victim and still find a woman.

bakewelltart20 · 2025-03-04T16:31:25+00:00

The views and attitudes prevalent in 'The Manosphere' are what's ugly.

I looked at pictures of self described incels who were wailing about being ugly (in an article about Incels where some were interviewed.) They looked very ordinary to me. I couldn't possibly guess which features they felt made them 'ugly.'

The real barrier for these guys is the one they refuse to acknowledge or examine...

It's not their looks that preclude them from having relationships (or sex) with women, it's their toxic views and attitudes.

Once those are entrenched, it is over, until you ditch the manosphere.

I find it utterly bizarre that these guys believe that all women are only interested in a tiny percentage of men (who meet a strict set of criteria.)

This doesn't bear even a remote resemblance to what I've seen in reality.

Have they never been outside, or do they simply refuse to see anything that doesn't correlate with the set of views they've indoctrinated themselves with?

I've personally known/still know numerous men who'd be deemed 'ugly' by narrow societal beauty standards, who have no trouble finding partners.

I'm middle aged and have lived in a few countries. I've known/met a relatively diverse range of people over the years.

The common factor the partnered Men I've known who you'd call 'ugly' share isn't anything to do with wealth, some of them are broke. What makes them attractive is their personalities and the fact that they view women as human beings/don't despise them.

They're also not obsessed with 'bagging' the tiny percentage of women who look like models, in order to impress other men.

octave120 · 2025-03-04T18:46:50+00:00

Unless one literally looks like Dobby the House Elf, I don’t see how they can’t go from “ugly” to fairly attractive with enough work and effort.

sandgroper2 · 2025-03-04T23:01:24+00:00

I reckon personality counts for more than looks. A hot guy with a shit attitude will attract some women, but any with self respect will dump him pdq. An ordinary guy with a great personality won't have much luck with cold approaches or even on the apps, but in situations where he can spend time with women, (dance classes, for instance) his chances are improved. The woman who does give him a chance is likely to be a hell of a lot nicer and worth sticking around with.

becomesharp · 2025-03-04T00:47:18+00:00

It's not always a mindset, but it often is. People's looks are essentially negotiable based on their personality, their charisma, and the effort them put into themselves. Have you ever seen someone have a glowup and youre like holy shit they're like 3 points hotter on the 1-10 scale?? That's the concept of looks being negotiable.

You will almost never find a man who is so ugly that no amount of work will improve his chances with dating. I have YET to find that, and I have worked with hundreds, probably thousands of men at this point.

educatedkoala · 2025-03-04T07:22:32+00:00

In an absolute worst case scenario -- there are very few men who can't overcome genetics with being in shape, style, and a good personality. If you throw in career and budget, cosmetic procedures can fix the edge cases. I'd say it's a mindset and a reflection of discipline.

Aeodel · 2025-03-09T22:34:09+00:00

Yeah, some people are just doomed. Take a look in the mirror and judge for yourself.

Title	Is being ugly a mindset or is it truly over for some men and never began?
Author	Riderman43
Upvotes	7
Comments	45
Date	March 4, 2025 12:02 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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