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It's a common sentiment within the Red Pill and Pickup communities to idealize Eastern European as "traditionally feminine" and "submissive" in contrast w/ feminist Western women. What these guys are totally oblivious to is that this veneer of "trad. femininity" is informed by a culture of violence.

nympharchist_95

February 21, 2022
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_women_in_Ukraine

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2020/11/ukraine-epidemic-of-violence-against-women-in-conflicttorn-east/

https://fba.se/en/newspress/nyhetsarkiv/2018/the-osce-draws-attention-to-violence-against-women-in-ukraine/

https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/03/31/poland-escalating-threats-women-activists

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/poland-istanbul-pan-european-convention-violence-women-a9638366.html?via=webuproar

https://www.amnesty.org/ar/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/eur490142006en.pdf

https://www.politico.eu/article/study-violence-against-women-widespread-in-eastern-europe/

https://jpathology.com/violence-against-females-rife-in-eastern-european-5/

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Title It's a common sentiment within the Red Pill and Pickup communities to idealize Eastern European as "traditionally feminine" and "submissive" in contrast w/ feminist Western women. What these guys are totally oblivious to is that this veneer of "trad. femininity" is informed by a culture of violence.
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[–]seeingredagain 58 points59 points60 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They aren't oblivious to it, they revel in it. They wish they could get away with it here.

[–]WannaBeA_Vata 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, I know "this" comments are annoying.

But.... THIS.

[–]Rimavelle 30 points31 points32 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also they are wrong.

The government may be anti-feminist, but women don't live in a vacuum. They soak in cultural changes from the west and demand the same from people around them.

Pillers and pickup artists prey on vulnerable, low self esteem women who don't know any better. They like culture of violence coz they see themselves at the top.

[–]Hellion_shark 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Buuut, they want a young woman. And eastern European women from my generation and below are far from the "western" idea of traditional. The culture shock alone would kill him. It would take 3 times for her to talk straight to him, and he will be whining about how she is mean and doesn't love him.
- Source - I'm eastern European.
The women here who go after foreigners don't want a "traditional" guy. we have plenty of those. :D
But yeah, I agree with the previous comment - they know. They hope they can get away with violence, and they love seeing things like that. to them our women are already "taught'

[–]JUMPsuperstar 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

TRP guys are guys that claim to be alpha while demanding a woman to "know her place." But any man worth his salt knows the value of a woman and lifts her up to be by his side. she responds with the same. The so-called alpha guys are the real betas. A man in touch with his masculinity doesn't have to try too hard. He just is. He also doesn't do many things that society tells him he's supposed to value, the way TRP followers endlessly yodel the commands of the so-called Alpha TRP leader on high. It's why TRP Youtube is filled with a repetition of the same phrasings ad nauseum ("it's only your turn";etc) because these are guys that don't think for themselves, which naturally makes them come off as lacking masculinity. Men that are The Red Pill are the real beta males. There's hope if you can curate your own sense of masculinity separate from others that also doesn't chain down women, who have already been freed.

[–]Training_Passenger79 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I agree with this. TRP is a form of psychological slavery that teaches men to follow rules by using their fear and sex drive to force them to abandon their individuality to submit to a doctrine.

In the past, society used fear of god and basic survival to indoctrinate men into a life of servitude. The idea is that if you are not complacent, you do not get to eat or have shelter, and if you try to cheat the system god will smite you.

TRP took this doctrine and transformed it into fear of women instead of god, which is why you will see so many parallels between TRP and religious cult tactics.

For example, religious cults and TRP both encourage members to not listen to people who disagree with the dogma because they are “trying to trick you” because they “want you to (turn to the devil | fail at love)”, regardless of how logical, self-evident, or fact-based the argument may be.

There’s other elements you will see as well. For example, religious cults use older members to indoctrinate younger members. Religious cults capitalize on fear, induce shame, and then advertise glory to any who follow the dogma. Religious cults also inspire their members to go out into the world and “spread the word” while shaming and humiliating those who do not ascribe to the dogma. If you follow orders based on faith, and do so without contradicting the validity of what you are being told, you will be “saved” from the “delusion” of your brethren. Religious cults are also phenomenally anti-female.

There’s a good reason for that, too, because in order to oppress & actionize a group of people for your advantage, in a system wherein men do most of the work, you need women to withhold sex & function as the “prize” to reward him for his work.

The problem is that women don’t naturally default to objectification and status. Neurologically and physiologically, the bulk of heterosexual females (probably roughly three quarters) are wired for social cooperation, emotional/empathetic receptivity, and verbal processing. Heterosexual males, contrarily, are neurologically wired, by in large, to detect objects in space, their silhouettes, movements, and qualities like temperature, texture, and so forth, and to rank these objects in terms of relevance.

It is easy to pressure a male into believing in the concept of status hierarchy because of their object-orientated brains, but in order to place females in the position being a “prize”, women need to be controlled against their natural instincts, because most women don’t naturally see in “status”, nor are they biologically hardwired to care about it. If they were, the would be less biologically well-suited to raising children, because babies have no status, and their status in the eyes of males is something that grows over time, as they have more control over the objects in their environment, and as their bodies grow into something that is useful to society.

The best way to control the females is to use shame and humiliation. Females are naturally more sensitive to negativity and social pressure, so by capitalizing on this, a doctrine looking to enslave males used female shame to unnaturally reduce the accessibility of sex and love.

It then tells the men that they are born unworthy of sex and love, and that these qualities must be earned through their actions. If they aren’t earning sex and love, they simply haven’t tried hard enough.

This is how society uses tools to enslave men.

You can see this for yourself when you research systems of oppression. What you will find are a few major red flags. Firstly, men are told that they are, by default, undeserving. Secondly, women are shamed for their natural instincts (like their sex drive). Thirdly, curiosity, independence, and seeking the truth on one’s own are things which are shamed.

You can see this form of social control in the story of Adam & Eve. Eve (the evil sex) eats an apple that gives her knowledge, thereby poisoning both herself & Adam. This story is similar to Pandora who opened the box. You also see female sex shaming in Judaism, which includes Adam’s first wife, Lilith, who did not want to lay beneath him so she was punished by god.

The Bible was written to be a social control mechanism. Now that we have largely lost religion, TRP replaces it.

At the end of the day, men are made to be slaves, and this is what men call a “beta male”. It is a male who has allowed himself to be dominated by society, rather than defending his rights to his individuality & his innate self-worth.

It is not the “beta males” that flock to red pill, but TRP which causes the “beta male syndrome”.

This is why you are seeing that TRP men need to put women down in order to have a “higher status” comparatively.

It is because they do not have natural status, so they need to artificially create status by finding others to place underneath them. Their status doesn’t change, but their standing in the list of people changes.

This is also why TRP men will shame and humiliate non-TRP men. It is an attempt to elevate their status.

What really shows us just how distorted this view is, is how unsuccessful TRP men are with women. PUAs are completely unsuccessful, disproving much of the ideology that TRP asserts. As for TRP, some men can enjoy a small degree of temporary success as long as they continue to lie and fake it, but even then, most of the women they “succeed” with are women who have been psychologically traumatized or have a neurological or psychological disorder or imbalance. This is why so many TRP guys have anecdotes about dating narcissistic women, which they use to describe the entirety of the female sex.

It is natural for unhealthy, traumatized, disadvantaged women to gravitate towards unhealthy/traumatized men.

If this system was true to nature, it would work, and you would see healthy, functional relationships arise from it.

However, when you look at society, TRP men have the poorest relationships.

Therefore, it is self-evident that TRP is an unnatural system. However, TRP terrorizes men when they are young and their brains are not fully formed yet, so the fear is very real.

To overcome this fear requires a lot of knowledge, understanding, and a strong drive to know the truth.

[–]JUMPsuperstar 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

The biggest slight against them is their claim of TRP being natural when it goes against healthy male and female relationships. It is clearly unnatural. It needs to die.

[–]Training_Passenger79 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed

[–]Justscrolling133 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This was a great and insightful read thank you

[–]Training_Passenger79 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for reading it!

[–]Knave_of_Opossums -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You've made a lot of claims that I doubt you have robust empirical support for. Consider attempting to find it, and, should you discover yourself unable to, adapt your understanding.

[–]dunndundun0601 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of them know and actively encourage the same behavior. I remember when my ex fiance started talking about KS. I immediately told him that he encourages violence against women and says they deserve to be hit and need to be put in their place.... he basically said "yeah, so?".

They know! And they are down for it because a n alarming number truly believe that they're entitled to women as posession and dont even see us as people... just a hole to brag to the buddies about.

[–]T4mvv1lc0xx 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they just want women that they think are easy.

[–]fluffylittlemango 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All my Eastern European female friends who moved to the UK bitch about the men in their home countries and actively avoid dating anyone from Eastern Europe.

[–]unlivedbread 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Are they retarded? Eastern European women are some of the least feminine on the fucking planet.

Just like stefan molyneux saying Poland is a paradise when it's really just a fucking impoverished shithole (sorry if you are from Poland, yall are cool people)

[–]laguaguadecarne 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One of my favorite fashion historians is Polish.

[–]bebestl 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Research “highest divorce rates in the world” and you’ll find that Eastern European countries are listed in the top 10.

[–]TrickleDownFail 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People that unronically believe in “redpill” are objectively braindead. They aren’t informed at all lol.

[–]onenightstanduhoes 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What are you suggesting op

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