Why do manipulation tactics work on female sexuality?

AutoModerator · 2022-06-06T17:26:49+00:00

I dont think it works... maybe on some women. Most women are just scared of men who try to get them in bed. Especially men who clearly view them as "sluts to use and Not give pleasure in return"... many women also just go for the nice and funny handsome guy for a ONS, without being "manipulated" by some narcisstic jerk

honey-bundy-88 · 2022-06-06T17:25:01+00:00

What do you mean by manipulation tactics and whats an example of women using them? Also, what does this have to do with a woman’s sexuality?

SweelFor- · 2022-06-06T17:27:02+00:00

I can't empathize with them since I don't understand their sexual triggers and emotional world, it's almost like our brains are wired differently.

Very very wrong. Men and women are far more similar than they are dissimilar.

Rhubarb_Fair · 2022-06-06T23:06:40+00:00

Why do lies work? Because telling these women the truth ("I think you're a worthless object, and I want to use you for sex, before I discard you, denigrate you as a slut [for doing exactly the same thing that I've just done] and move on to my next victim" ) for some odd reason doesn't work with these damned stubborn women.

Also, look at the women that these men are being told to target. Women as young as legally possible - often 10/20/30 years younger than the man. With as little social and sexual experience as possible. TRP tells men to target women who are most susceptible to manipulation.

AntiVictimhood · 2022-06-06T18:19:45+00:00

People who are actually being manipulated do not know they're being manipulated. If you're aware of the way you're being played, then you're not being manipulated. The naïveté on the target's behalf is necessary for it to be considered manipulation.

It's not like women think, "oh wow, what a manipulative and shady man. Let's bang!"

Quick definition: "Manipulation or emotional manipulation is the use of means to exploit, control, or otherwise influence others to one’s advantage. In the extreme it is a stratagem of tricksters, swindlers, and impostors who disrespect moral principles, deceive and take advantage of others’ frailty and gullibility"

Targets of manipulation are not aware that they're being manipulated. The gullibility is inherent to the act of being manipulated.

If a woman or gay man used PUA tactics on me not only I wouldn't care but I'd be very flattered that she decided to put so much effort in order to have sex with me, I'd laugh at her and say "thank you for the effort :D"!

This would not be a case of manipulation though. If you can see the game that a person is playing and call out the tactics, then this would be a case of unsuccessful manipulation.

To answer your question- why do manipulation tactics work on some people? It's because there are people out there who are legitimately amazing liars and manipulators, and they know how to pick their targets well.

5MinuteMentalFitness · 2022-06-07T15:08:09+00:00

Manipulation works on anyone.

There is famous quote by an operant condition psychologist that goes along the lines of “Give me your child at the age of infancy and when I am done with him he can be a sinner or a saint)

This is very true and evident by the most replicated set and stone psychological theory on the planet. Attachment theory.

Depending on the attachment style of the person many attachment styles correlate to gravitating towards more manipulative abusive partners.

Dark Triad for example tends to correlate to having partners who are anxious insecurely attached.

Anxious Insecure attachment correlates high with borderline personality disorder and these people (I know I am a recovered one) have many traits associated with fear of abandonment that bode well for manipulators.

In fact many borderlines themselves were raised by narc parents and these parents conditioned them to autonomically associate live based on the conditions they provide them.

Based on my research and analysis of red pill ideology and its main contributors nearly all of them score high on the dark triad spectrum.

This means nearly all of them attract insecure and other broken attached women, or dark triad women themselves.

Which is the reason why they say stay away from those women as a women is much more psychologically powerful than a man (It is their strength in terms of protection violence etc) and almost all these men were overpowered by a dark triad women who beat them at their own game.

Being my mother is highly reactionary dark triad and probably one of the most manipulative people on the planet, I can tell you it’s one of the most hellish things to experience on earth.

Even today I can barely be in the presence of my mother despite loving and accepting her for who she is and knowing she is only doing what she knows cause being a former child sex trafficker who murdered their captor all you know is chaos destruction and well hell. Which that along with my amazing grandmothers is why I never projected my negative experiences of my mother onto others.

But it did not stop me from loving and attracting dark triad women until I got help for it.

2022-06-06T21:07:42+00:00

I can't speak for all women, but I know if I got the vibe that a guy is manipulating me I'd ghost him so fast.

Yummylicky23 · 2022-06-06T23:20:11+00:00

“Why does manipulation work?”

Knave_of_Opossums · 2022-06-07T00:51:03+00:00

This is literally the dumbest thing I've ever seen with my own two fucking eyes. You start by saying gay men wouldn't need to be manipulated into having sex because they would just want it, but then you ask why manipulation "triggers" sexual desire in women? Usually manipulation involves false promises, so the woman might just be interested in a long-term relationship, and he lies and says he wants her to be his girlfriend, or something. So she has sex with him thinking it will be a long-term thing and then he leaves. That's a classic. Or something like that, idk. Honestly this post is so dumb I can't even really tell what you think or what you're asking. You say you would be flattered if a woman tried to manipulate you into having sex, which, as you've already acknowledged isn't necessary most of the time for men, but what about if a woman got you to buy her dinner and implied she would be willing to have sex with you but then didn't. That's a form of manipulation. Would you be flattered by that? And would you be interested in her because the "manipulation triggered your sexual desire" or because you thought you were going to be able to have sex?

Cheshiregrin85 · 2022-06-06T17:30:08+00:00

Women are socialized to put others first, they're not attracted but they will frequently cave to pressure to be "kind" or for attention this is why you see a lot of posts on dead bedrooms where someone talks about how hi wife admits she was never attracted to him resulting in over the years a decline in their sex life,women have much lower sex drives than men but there still has to be a attraction there.

luridlurker · 2022-06-08T02:28:37+00:00

Manipulation works on some people, not on others. I've certainly seen cases where a woman manipulated a guy into sleeping with her even though he clearly was reluctant and not into her. I've seen women pull the 'what, are you gay or something??' card when turned down and seen men give into that manipulation. Seen similar manipulations happen to gay friends where someone played on their insecurities, played the hot/cold game, faked common interests etc., to get them into bed when they just weren't that into the person.

At the end of the day I wouldn't want to sleep with anyone who was manipulative. It'd also take all the joy out of sex for me if I had to manipulate someone into doing it with me. It just seems desperate and thirsty to resort to manipulation.

CK_America · 2022-06-06T19:34:37+00:00

It works on both genders. Manipulation gets a bad rep, but really it's a tool, and not demonized for the ways people like that tool. Like, flirting is a form of manipulation, hell the entertainment industry is a form of manipulation. Most people like being manipulated for their own benefit, the trick is knowing what that is, and that others/individuals are the arbiters of what that is, period. Like, I like people dressing up, and pretending to be people they're not, to express interesting and usually made up stories to me in a visual medium, and even applying digital effects to make more things up, and covering it with music that will influence me emotionally. Everything about that is a manipulation of the truth meant to influence me, and extract wealth from me, I generally love that system. I also like it when an attractive woman, who lightly paints her face to look even more attractive, and covers herself with nice smells to change/mask her scent, touches my arm (kino) to influence me to be with her, or maybe just do something together, or more commonly give me a signal to pursue more. Generally we all like these forms of manipulation, though everyone has flavor preferences. A commonly appreciated flavor to keep in mind is how subtle something is. The less I notice something and the more I experience something, the more it influences me. Perfume is nice, but not if it's overwhelming. Makeup is attractive, unless there's too much. Overacting is off putting, graphics have to be subtle and illusive. All of these influences have to be more subtle to be effective/enjoyable, commonly at least.

To get closer to your point though, let's use something like negging. Men and women who catch this tend to not like it, it's the same for both. The difference in negging though is that it's a trait that is specifically for the pursuing party, which is men because of the marketplace, there being a greater supply of men because we have a higher birth rate, hence women are in demand, and become choosers because of all the men pursuing. Tends to turn over at 35-40yo, varies slightly by nation though, and the dating behaviors persist past that wall because of momentum. Hard to change 25 years of dating behavior. Hence women don't tend to neg, and get less practice with it, so when you see them try to pursue and use it, they're not as adept with it, they're not as subtle with the tactic, and frankly use it less because they don't need to. It's not that it effects men and women differently, it's that the circumstances of the marketplace change the framework of utilizing that "skill", and getting good with that skill. Leading to the interpretation that it doesn't work on men, but works on women, because we're "designed so differently", which I completely disagree with. The design is very similar, the circumstances are what's different, specifically the marketplace, hence you get these notable differences.

Like an example of that is how sexual the genders are. If you look at two individuals, men and women tend to like to have sex at similar rates. Like there's still a range, and you want to find compatibility, there's chemical influences too, like birth control, but somewhere between once a day and once a month is the range. Normally a few times a week. If you look at the broader marketplace though, you would think men are the ones who want sex more. Porn is directed at them, dating apps, sexy women in entertainment, red light districts. This again leads to people thinking that men and women are designed differently, like that men are WAY more sexual than women, but when we look at two individuals, it's much clearer that they're not. It's the circumstances that change things, because we have very different marketplaces, but our designs are very much the same. Not exactly the same, the ability to have a kid, and testosterone do make some big differences, so it's not absolute, but really we're a lot closer to each other than people think. Much in part because people get tricked by these broader circumstances, without ever talking about the root causes of them.

Wanted to say, but couldn't fit it in above, negging is a stupid skill. It's designed for weak people to bring others down to their level, so that they can be on equal terms. I suppose you could say strong people to leverage people below them too, but it's regularly the first. You'll see it used in business too, so keep an eye out for it yourself. Like men can use it on you if you're in a negotiating/competing arena, really you're more likely to have it used on you by a man then a woman, so don't think you're immune to it because you're "designed" differently.

Ithrewallofitaway · 2022-06-07T03:20:40+00:00

Women use manipulation tactics way more than men. Its called makeup and skimpy clothing.

goodboy92 · 2022-06-06T16:40:44+00:00

I think it has to do with biology, evolución and stuff. Attraction is very mysterious.

incredulitor · 2022-06-06T21:21:54+00:00

If manipulation tactics never worked, no one would ever use them and there wouldn't be any concept or set of behaviors or whatever that the words "manipulation tactics" would refer to. A minority of men manipulate women for sex and are successful at it in the sense of having more lifetime partners, WHILE ALSO getting the predictably bad life and relationship outcomes that follow out of that for more or less clear reasons. I wrote about it at length here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelExit/comments/v08azc/does_being_an_asshole_really_work/iagup59/?context=3

A minority of women also manipulate men, whether for sex or other purposes. That minority of women also gets their own set of predictably bad life and relationship outcomes out of the bargain. Even though it's a small minority, it's a common set of redpill talking points to latch onto that as representative of all of humanity out there - which in a weird way it IS for people that act like this. Lots of people who aren't themselves manipulative end up getting sucked into or trapped with people who are, but there's also a trend that manipulative men tend to find and end up with manipulative women, and vice versa.

Some people (the people I wrote the earlier post about, who are some of the same people who will insist that you're a fool if you don't act like they do) are temparementally inclined to relate to other people like this, getting off on the sense that they're using them, getting away with something, enjoying all the power in the relationship and so on. Other people can effortfully force themselves to be that way. Regardless of whether you're naturally like that or can force yourself, you have the option - and taking the option will lead to predictable results. If you're not the type of person who sees absolutely no other option to be this way, the kind of person that's likely to be lying about number of sexual partners anyway because you get off on being self-aggrandizing and don't really care whether what you're saying is actually true or not, then you'll probably find out a hell of a lot quicker than you wanted to why all that sex you could be having if you just didn't care about lying or hurting other people is not going to bring you the fulfillment that you think is tied up in it. If you are temperamentally like that, then you'll probably keep doing what you're doing regardless of what I'm saying, and will continue to blame all of the predictable bad outcomes I'm talking about on something outside of yourself and be unable to see any of your own responsibility in it.

Grappleheart · 2022-06-06T23:28:12+00:00

Manipulation works on both men and women. Men are just less likely to come out and say they were duped.

LearningInternet · 2022-06-07T02:16:22+00:00

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HeroinBreakfast · 2022-06-07T15:17:01+00:00

It's not even based on gender. There are all these dynamics at play that cause people to settle or participate in abusive relationships or one night stands etc.

Weak men get used against their will. Strong men will volunteer to be used. Same as women. It's like the Eurythmics song Sweet Dreams

GoodSilhouette · 2022-06-13T17:03:39+00:00

The entire way you're conceptualizing this is so simplistic its hard to even approach

You basically said "No one has to manipulate me (to my knowledge) but if they did Id simply be like no" and then you're taking that an applying it to men as a whole.

1.) Pick up shit is really just based on numbers. Of course some content creator who spends HOURS trying to get pussy will eventually succeed. One time I asked some idiot who sent me a dickpic unconsensually if that shit works (sending dick pictures en mass without prior consent) - he replied "sometimes" or "a few times". This dude also had a massive penis, I blocked him but some women probably were turned on. It doesn't mean his behavior wasn't abhorrent nor does it say anything about female sexuality in general but by numbers alon he found idiots who were into that.

2.) women can want sex too. You're making it like women are agentless actors but many of us may just want someone to fuck or to flirt with and aren't focusing on the shit they say.

3.) Men get manipulated. Everyone can and everyone does at some point. And even in cases where this wasn't manipulation ("friend zone") some men feel manipulated.

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Title	Why do manipulation tactics work on female sexuality?
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