How Do You See Feminism?

soggy_sock1931 · 2025-03-10T17:01:46+00:00

You may get the odd few nice feminists online (very rare in my experience), but they’re not the ones who influence legislation, media, etc., nor do they speak up against the misandrist feminists that they say aren’t real feminists.

They push harmful ‘facts’ via studies even if they have glaring issues or have been retracted, e.g. men leave sick wives, abuse by women being reactive and so on.

They were also involved in the gendered definition of rape in UK legislation.

And then you have their carefully selected language, the patriarchy, sexism against women being misogyny whilst sexism towards men is labelled toxic masculinity.

AskingToFeminists · 2025-03-10T14:07:43+00:00

How Do You See Feminism?

With my eyes

And the sight is not pleasant.

ManWithTwoShadows · 2025-03-11T07:46:53+00:00

Interesting how 2 and 5 are the only popular options.

publicdefecation · 2025-03-10T15:00:10+00:00

I see feminism as a women's rights movement. It's necessary to listen to their issues but not to be confused with a gender equality movement which it is definitely not.

BaroloBaron · 2025-03-10T13:22:30+00:00

Feminism is unionized womanhood. It is ok for it to exist, and to a certain degree it's a good thing that it exists, but in the end it's exists to uphold the interests of a part of society and we shouldn't be bullied into believing that feminism is good for everybody.

YetAgain67 · 2025-03-10T14:05:34+00:00

In the west, I really think we just need to move onto a post-feminism approached to equality. Progressivism and leftism seems to have been consumed by feminism. Far too many people think they are one in the same.

I'm not smart enough to know how to go about it - but for me a widespread movement that promotes equality and anti-discrimination for everyone while also being able to smartly navigate specific aspects that effect certain groups disproportionately without diving headfirst into intersectionality and demonizing another group and making them the enemy.

Lefties love tossing around the "class reductionist" tag to other lefty people who put limited stock in idpol and intersectionality. but hell, I'll wear the "class reductionist" label with pride, because I truly believe once class conscious is achieved, idpol barrier with erode.

The basic definition of intersectionality makes sense to me. But of course, in practice, it's pure Oppression Olympics - score keeping suffering.

Tireless_AlphaFox · 2025-03-10T16:37:27+00:00

There are countless different types of feminism. To say all are the same is discriminative. I would say that some of the feminisms are very hostile toward men, some are pretty neutral, and a few actually try to help men out.

bortalizer93 · 2025-03-12T08:05:14+00:00

why are those the only options?

feminism is a recuperatory tool used by the ruling class to uphold gramscian hegemony by maintaining consent over working class oppression. therefore it is a tool of oppression that should be opposed by the revolutionary force of the world.

since the first wave, feminism has always been like that. first wave feminism never get achieved universal suffrage in britain, it was the labor party. the feminists back then were rich and aristocratic women who were busy shaming disabled working class men to die in war. feminism is the stick that was used to beat down african americans who demanded justice over the lynching of emmett till. feminism was the tool used to justify european colonialism over the world in the early 20th century, and even to this day. have you heard how liberals claim that the genocide in gaza is justified because palestinian men are patriarchal?

leftism never supported feminism. leftism supported gender equality. and feminism, once again, is a tool of oppression; not gender equality. many actual socialist states have this approach on gender issue. they will not infantilize and patronize women because of a big bad boogeyman designed to distract revolutionary forces from class war, they treat women simply as equal or in chairman mao's words: "women hold up half the sky"

Belgium-all-round · 2025-03-11T19:29:48+00:00

I voted "neutral". I'm from Belgium.

periodcareperson · 2025-03-14T02:21:48+00:00

To me it’s not members of x group hate y group, but all who hate y group are members of x group. Not man haters are feminists, but all man haters are feminists. Most things women need can be achieved under the banner humanism. I don’t need a blue hair to explain why reproductive rights are needed. I can come to that conclusion from being a human.

Jealous-Factor7345 · 2025-03-10T16:55:37+00:00

I don't even know what feminism is. It's frankly too broadly applied to have a real meaning anymore.

BhryaenDagger · 2025-03-10T16:24:15+00:00

Like most of the causes of the past, once they've been won and a new zeitgeist paved, the adherents feel they should now occupy permanent careers in it regardless of need or even virtue. Feminists were looking for the right to vote, abortion rights, equal access to all careers and other social opportunities (college, etc), equal pay... and won them all. Then the career feminists decided that the movement wasn't about social equality and advancing human rights but rather about crass women's advocacy and "fighting" men- an inherently antagonistic and ultimately sociopathic role. So they've let abortion lapse, but got to collect a paycheck being asinine to men and maintaining women's domination of divorce rulings, cancer funding, exemption from the draft, and entitlement to managerial/administrative positions. They abandoned working class women to keep pushing for more women politicians and CEOs. They're simply not led by the same social tendency that feminists started with.

Despite their antagonism though, their failing is not really about "extremists" that have to be "dealt with". Actually the loss of abortion was a fundamental one to feminism, but they seem to have no clue about that. The majority support women on it, but the feminists supposedly championing women's interests are not particularly interested. So the main issue w them is a matter of political orientation and ineffectuality. They're like pinata party goers fitted w blindfolds and pushed into the fray swinging their sticks imprecisely. The real solution is for humanists to take up the same banners rather than feminists types- a comprehensive organization that weighs into all human interests, incl men's- but the pinata stick wielding amateurs make it more difficult than it otherwise would be.

Phuxsea · 2025-03-11T00:05:49+00:00

It's mixed like every ideology. I do not identify as anti-feminist because that's a label for extreme traditionalists, misogynists, islamists, evangelicals and incels. I advocate for marginalized men who are victims of society, whether from feminists or conservatives.

beowulves · 2025-03-10T23:46:22+00:00

I think maybe the concept is sound but the laymens application is virtue signaling rather than actually being part of the solution. I know a woman who basically in everything but name supports patriarchy and all the stuff any leftists claim they hate, but her actions are in full support of it.

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