What do you want?

ashfinsawriter · 2024-07-27T15:17:00+00:00

People would be assed as individuals and so long as those individuals weren't actively hurting people, would be accepted for who they are and treated equitably.

Men, women, all races, cisgender, transgender, all sexualities, neurotypical, neurodivergent, different physical abilities, would all be treated actually fairly. I say equitably instead of equally because disabled people do legitimately need extra accomodations and they're included in this world. But the point is, anyone should have permission to succeed if they put in the work. No one should be put down and hated for something they're born as.

Also, this isn't about gendered stuff but imma still say it, tax the rich. There should be no "the 1%" the way it is. They should still be left enough money to live reasonably luxuriously with some savings, but the rest (and there's a LOT of rest) should be distributed in social programs like universal healthcare, universal basic income, free education, and also government projects such as maintaining infrastructure.

Illustrious-Red-8 · 2024-07-27T13:05:48+00:00

I would like a more open-ended result; it isn't one specific achievement that I'd want society to have, rather I'd like to see an opening of a discussion whereby people and citizens lend their ears to men's struggles in the same way it did to feminism in the 20th century.

Johntoreno · 2024-07-28T17:26:24+00:00

Before any positive social changes can be made, the identity war culture has to die, just cus i belong to certain group doesn't mean i have to carry water for my ancestor's sins. The word "privilege" has become a way to shut down groups from having a voice and conversely the tag of "oppressed" has become a way to excuse the most unhinged evil behavior known to man.

Main-Tiger8593 · 2024-07-27T13:14:16+00:00

mens rights activism poll

hm in short gender neutral?

HateKnuckle · 2024-07-27T04:51:16+00:00

For me, the most obvious change is banning medically unnecessary circumcision. I can't believe that practice is still so popular.

From there, I would want men and women to be friends more often. The male and female experience is so different that we have immense trouble relating to each other. Hopefully, by closing that gap, we can better understand and fight for the issues faced by both genders.

I realize that if we've gotten to the point where men and women are just as likely to be friends with each other as they are with members of their own gender, then we've basically solved the whole issue and we're on our way to inevitable equality. So how do we get there? We need to popularize people who have succeeded at those things. We need more media depicting supportive and close male+female friendships(got any gamers you follow who frequently play with the opposite gender in a close friendly way?) Thankfully gaming is popular because relying on sports would be real hard.

Hopefully those examplea of men and women being friends will give people the model they need to make their own friendships.

Enzi42 · 2024-07-27T22:33:46+00:00

I want all men to have the same level of investment and zeal about men's issues that women do about their own. I don't want everyone to agree with me or my solutions to those problems---the practical problems of that aside, there's the moral issue of tyrannical mind control.

But I want there to be as much interest, as much concern and as much rage at our own problems as I see women have for theirs, and I want that same level of effort and dedication.

I think that would usher in a rennaisaance of men's movements and thinkers devoted to those issues akin to the blooming of feminist thought post Senneca Falls. It would be different from anything we have now in ways both good and bad. I want that diversity so that the bear ideas can rise to the top.

I also want men to have the same level of tribalistic "my gender right or wrong" that I've seen so often in feminist groups and even just among women in general. I want that misconception that "men always side with other men, circle the wagons and protect each other" to be a reality.

To hear a lot of people say it, this is a bad thing, but I think that near unconditional male solidarity is exactly what we need.

Extreme_Spread9636 · 2024-07-28T23:16:35+00:00

Remove Feminism. The entire concept doesn't work for the majority of the people. It's great that women have become independent with their income, but they're not providing anything more than that to themselves. Any other duty or sacrifice is looked away from as not their problem. On top of that, it kills dating pretty much as they set a much higher price on themselves than that they're truthy worth on the market defined not by my standard, but everyone's. It eats up money from society and pushes to nullify production as it doesn't kills any motivation for people to work together.

Educational_Mud_9062 · 2024-07-29T21:46:32+00:00

God, that's a hard ask. VERY generally, I guess...

Some kind of cybernetic communism. Ecologically sustainable production rather than endless growth would be the goal. Consumption and accumulation would no longer be the carrot together with destitution as the stick driving people to work. Communities would be more locally oriented and self-sustaining wherever possible with regional and global cybernetic systems allowing larger scale trade and cooperation to take place. We'd own less, but have more freedom to pursue leisure and fulfilling relationships.

As far as gender goes (since that's the big focus of this sub, of course) we'd abandon traditional gender roles as much as possible. People would be free to make up their own minds about what traits we traditionally consider gendered they adopt and there would be much less social and cultural pressure to fit inside certain boxes. Biological differences would still exist, but we'd have a culture of acceptance and understanding rather than animosity and group competition. Men may end up doing more brute physical labor or more esoteric mathematical/technical work, women may end up doing more care work, but it wouldn't be required or expected as long as the individual could do the job. And we'd all be taught to recognize the importance of all that work and appreciate each other.

Power differentials would also be flattened as much as possible. Everyone would have some basic level of subsistence they're entitled to and work beyond that would be compensated based on labor time rather than leveraging power inside a market framework. (Really it would be socially necessary labor time but with a cybernetic system guiding the economy, labor should definitionally be socially necessary. Other labor would just be considered a hobby or some other uncompensated activity.)

Housing would be allocated by need, with cybernetic systems handling changes as necessary based on population changes. Something like single people being entitled to a basic dwelling like a studio or 1-bedroom apartment, couples living together being entitled to apply for larger spaces, maybe getting priority if they decide to cohabitate and surrender one of their single dwellings beforehand, families getting more space based on size, and accomodations being made for disability status.

With this genuine equality of opportunity, not allowing circumstances of birth to boost some up or hold others back, traditional legal requirements for men to act as providers for women wouldn't need to exist. Say goodbye to alimony. Everyone has their basic needs met and the capacity to go beyond that so no justification to tie anyone to a former partner if a couple splits up.

And with compensation based on socially necessary labor time, the only significant differences in income in the long run would be based on the decision to work more or fewer hours. A doctor, eventually, would be compensated like a cook, with training for the doctor being state funded and the role private insurance currently plays being modeled and accounted for centrally. So the question (in the long run, after fluctuations in the different populations striving for different things had been ironed out with slight compensation asymmetries) would simply be: do you want to be a doctor or a cook?

This would also reduce the status game when it comes to partnering as a doctor won't be making significantly more money and living in considerable luxury compared to a cook. Again, going back to a sex/gender lens, this will naturally diminish the importance of whatever hypergamous instincts might be unavoidable for some women.

I don't have a full blueprint for a utopian society, of course, and even this feels more like an aspirational vision to asymptotically approach than something to just implement and be done with. But it's the rough outline of a world I'd much rather live in than the one we live in now.

DemoniteBL · 2024-08-11T13:41:40+00:00

Equality.

maomaochair · 2024-07-27T21:48:30+00:00

Communism

ulveskygge · 2024-07-28T07:12:51+00:00

Required paternal consent for abortion (with exceptions), similar to required spousal consent in Japan & Taiwan. (That’s a matter of equal rights, equal choice, equally weighed autonomy. We can have that debate.)
Criminalization of false rape accusation.
Default shared child custody.
Abolish spousal support.
Abolish child support.
Criminalization of paternity fraud.
Mandatory paternity testing.
Gender-neutral approach to domestic violence.
Gender-neutral approach to sexual transgression. Stealthing and reverse stealthing both criminalized.
Gender-neutral military draft.
Gender-neutral pension age.
Abolish nonconsensual circumcision.
Paternity leave.
Gender desegregation in prisons and public restrooms.

Illustrious_Bus9486 · 2024-07-27T13:39:48+00:00

Hormonal birth control would not exist.

rushopolisOF · 2024-07-27T20:45:27+00:00

State mandated girlfriends.

Tangential0 · 2024-07-29T14:38:40+00:00

Genital mutilation of children of any gender is illegal unless medically necessary.
Abortion is legal and a heavily protected right for women.
A man by default only has legal rights and responsibilities towards a child he is the biological father of, if he was married to or in a civil partnership with the mother at the approximate time of conception. If the couple is unmarried, the father may opt in to be the child's legal father, with the mother's prior consent. The marital obligation can be contested however if it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt that the mother maliciously tampered with contraception or sexually assaulted the man.
Marriage and civil partnership are easy to attain and easy to end. If children are involved, the default is 50/50 custody and we move from there.
Save for a special period of maternal leave for the first number of weeks after a baby is born which mothers must be allowed to take for themselves, all other parental leave is assigned per child rather than per person, to be split between the couple at a rate they agree on or taken as a whole by single parents. And yes, parents of twins they get twice as much leave.

Title	What do you want?
Author	HateKnuckle
Upvotes	15
Comments	38
Date	July 27, 2024 4:19 AM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates
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