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There is no gender pay gap. It's nothing compared to racial pay gaps. Nothing. Look at what union meat cutters used to make and look at what the Illegals doing the work now get paid.
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Why do you care so much?
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Conservatives are never going to do anything to undermine their chivalry-driven pursuit of traditional gender roles.
Conservatives are the reason men are marginalized!
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You see how that works? Both the left and the right wing of the American politics are responsible for the plight of the modern man; upholding one and impugning the other only succeeds in at best addressing half the problem, and at worst splitting the men's rights movement along pointless political lines. We are all in this together; let's not allow ourselves to be divided by something as ridiculous as the sorry state of affairs that is American political discourse.
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I wholeheartedly agree - I'm a British expatriate that emigrated to the US about ten years ago; suffice to say, my time here has been very... educational.
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Quite; by British standards, I was a right-leaning moderate; by American standards, I appear to be a card-carrying pinko sympathizer and homosexual revolutionary (none of which is true; I rarely have my pinko sympathizer card about my person, and none of the sexual acts I have committed with other men are in the slightest bit innovative).
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The embrace of Feminism by the left wing is only one of many reasons as to why the modern American man finds himself marginalized; another, of similar significance, is the right wing's dogged insistence on clinging to ideals of chivalry (for men only; women need not apply). To reduce the underlying issues for the sake of grinding a political axe is facile.
Please understand; I am not arguing that we allow the liberals to wriggle off the hook. Rather, I am suggesting that we if focus too narrowly upon them, that we risk allowing the conservatives to wriggle free; and the corporations, the churches, the unions, and more besides. There's plenty of blame to go around; let's make sure everyone gets their fair share.
Insofar as the sinister dexter division of politics is concerned, I am more than aware that this is not a uniquely American phenomenon. I was referring more to the deplorably polarized nature of American political discourse, and how needlessly divisive it is.
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I'm not sure I follow. Would I be correct in thinking that you are asking as to how we might go about reversing the polarized state of American politics? Or are you asking how one achieves compromise between the left and right wings of the political spectrum in general?
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Honestly? I realize that to a spectator of the American political forum, this may sound not unlike crazy talk, but... basically, I don't believe the left and right wings are as incompatible as they appear.
For the purpose of example, let us reduce the left and right to two simple positions: the left wishes to engage a larger social safety net; the right wishes to reduce government spending. At first glance, these may appear to be irreconcilable positions; however, on closer inspection, it should be clear that this is not wholly so. It is entirely possible to create social safety in a way that is fiscally minded; similarly, it is possible to reduce government spending by other means.
However, such a position - no more a radical notion than that of compromise - seems unattainable in the highly charged atmosphere of American politics. I am certainly no expert on such matters, but I strongly suspect that the problem is that the political machinery has been subverted in such a way that it is now used primarily to maintain the dominance of the two representative parties, rather than express the hopes, fears, dreams and desires of the represented.
As to how one goes about winding this unfortunate situation backwards? By rejecting the political polarization; by unifying instead of dividing; by calling for accountability and transparency at all levels, and rooting out corruption wherever it may be found. By not playing the game; by realizing that collectively, we set the rules.
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I imagine that at present, a very, very small minority of the American population holds the idea that the gender roles of your were equally oppressive to both genders. However, this does not mean that the idea cannot grow in popularity; after all, there was once a time when only a small minority were familiar with the concept of "Patriarchy".
Insofar as examples of political outlook that fall neither directly to the left or right; the most obvious example would be 'moderate' or 'centrist'. I believe one could argue that Libertarianism also constitutes a third way (although the movement is, to a certain degree, currently being parasitized by the right).
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