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A pleasant hiring experience.

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September 6, 2014
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Title A pleasant hiring experience.
Author

[deleted]

Upvotes 0
Comments 28
Date September 6, 2014 1:20 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/mensrights/comments/2flp37/a-pleasant-hiring-experience/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/a-pleasant-hiring-experience.1620803
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[–]ImNotIntoPokemon10 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I don't care for what you did. It's the type of thing I'd expect from a feminist doing the hiring process. The MRM strives to be more egalitarian than that.

I'd have asked questions about her volunteer work. Get a feel for her responsibilities and opinions first. Chances are, as a volunteer, she had very little power over the agency's policies. Likely women who are victims of domestic violence would prefer to work with other women, and a person who volunteers to assist victims of DV is doing a good thing, regardless of who the victim is. Blame the agency for their shitty policies, not her.

[–]Atronn2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I agree with you whole heartedly, it's exactly the kind of reaction that some outrageous feminists would have.

[–]throwawaylife339 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The angry part of me wants to say thank you so much. I have seen how these "volunteers" help "victims" alter their stories and instruct them how to lie under oath.

The part of me that still believes in justice hopes that maybe she was one of the good ones. If they even exist.

[–]Dixieduffy6 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The good ones exist. I'v heard stories of volunteers at these shelters hate that they can't offer any real help for men.

While I do not agree with OPs decision if a group like that was truly ignoring the needs of male DV and not, not able to help because they are not prepared for it, that's a different story entirely.

[–]rapiertwit9 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Because volunteers get to set policy, right? You're an asshat.

[–]XKG34719-5 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Hey, if you want to help raise money for the KKK, go for it. I wouldn't hire you, either.

[–]SporkTornado5 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm glad you turned her away, the same way a male victim of domestic abuse with a black eye and a twisted wrist would have been turned away from her shelter.

[–]IcarusBurning1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm so glad you didn't hire her because her bosses who set policy are jerks!

[–]dejour5 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I would have given her a chance. Maybe ask her what she learned at the position, "Do you think men need DV shelters as well?", and "If you decide to set up a DV shelter in this city for men, how would you do it?"

I'd guess at some point she'd say something sexist. But maybe she wouldn't.

[–]AdmiralKuznetsov3 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Those are overly direct questions, a better one would be along the lines of "What do you think you have learned volunteering at a domestic violence shelter?", less vague and more useful.

[–]dejour3 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I agree. I listed that as the first question (but my sentence was constructed awkwardly).

Ideally, you'd let her broach the topic directly. But I think you might have to be more direct because I'm sure she could come up with a decent response that sheds no light on her thoughts about men being abused.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics5 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It's possible she was interested in helping DV victims and volunteered at a shelter for that purpose. I mean it's not like there are a lot of shelters that don't exclude men that she could have picked from (are there any in your town?).

So that could go either way.

[–]outhouse_steakhouse4 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

This was unprofessional if her work with the DV agency had no bearing on the job you were hiring for. I don't know whether it had or not. Whenever I've been part of the hiring process, I've always been very careful to document why I was giving someone the thumbs down, especially if they were a woman or minority, and to show that the reason was strictly job-related.

[–]Ransom_Stoddard3 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Do you want a person representing your company who routinely is disinterested in the safety and quality of life of half the population?

Turning her away does the company, fellow employees, their customers and strategic partners a positive service.

Morals and ethics mean a lot in a good business.

[–]totalyawsm6 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Snap judgements like that don't help men or women. She's not necessarily a feminazi because she works at a domestic violence agency that only helps women.

[–]Ransom_Stoddard1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I am an odds man. I'll go with the odds. Generalizations exist because - overwhelmingly - they tend to be true. Add to that generalization the fact that she works at a woman-only shelter and actively turns away and does not help men, it's really a no-brainer for me.

[–]totalyawsm3 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Seriously! Why did you reject a woman with high credentials over something as small as her volunteering at an unfair local domestic violence agency? Does that automatically make her misandrist?

Crap the spellchecker doesn't recognized misandry

[–]AdmiralKuznetsov2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Fuck you.

For all we know this woman was the incarnation of Harriet Harman or she could have simply been misinformed or slightly dimwitted, all we do know is that her only definite guilt is the guilt of association with scumbags.

[–]init2winito1o25 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

THIS! Innocent until proven guilty!

[–]GearyDigit2 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

/r/thathappened

[–]MRSPArchiver1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

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[–]Methodius_1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I honestly think you did a good thing. As has been said, you don't want someone working for your company that will basically ignore the plight of half of the population solely based on their gender.

Part of me wants to go "You should've asked her about it, conducted an interview, and then just never called her back.", but I feel like bringing it up in the interview would make her feel like that's the reason you didn't hire her, and you could've gotten in some sort of trouble.

[–]quadbaser1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

that so happened

[–]jpflathead0 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

If this story is true, you are an asshole for dismissing her who deserves only condemnation.
If this story is not true, you are an asshole for submitting it, and again, you deserve only condemnation.

Yes, who she volunteers for and what their reputation is should color your decision.

I suspect what you did was illegal, I don't know, it should be.

I am hopeful you will one day experience a job search and learn about all the petty reasons people have for ignoring you.

Have a bad day.

[–]wyrn4 points 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Why exactly should it be illegal?

I'm assuming that the OP is hiring for the private sector. They have the prerogative of turning away candidates that they don't feel meet adequate ethical standards for working at their company. He didn't discriminate her based on race, gender, or sexual orientation; his decision was based solely on her previous job experience.

The government has way too much power already. Stop trying to give them more.

[–]kizzan1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Employers are allowed to descriminate. It is perfectly legal. Look up protected classes on wiki. Those are the only classes employers cannot descriminate against. Fortunately, this is not one of them. I am sorry you are a bitter person. I hope that changes for you.

Have a wonderful day!

[–]totalyawsm1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

It doesn;t matter wheter it is legal or not. You wouldn't want someone to reject you because you worked to advance men's rights. You can oice your opinion, but not deny someone a job.

[–]ScottFree371 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I have gained experience relevant to my profession working for a well known men's rights organisation. Sure I wish people wouldn't hold it against me, especially because it is proof of a professional competency but I need to be realistic. Personal causes should not be in your resume. What OP did isn't right, but it would be naive to expect it not to happen.

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