I agree with basically everything on here about MR. Is the way I feel about mens rights the same srs/feminist feel about content posted to their sub? Are we as delusional as them?

TheyCalledMeMad · 2013-02-17T01:57:26+00:00

For starters, I would find it difficult to believe that anyone agrees with most everything posted on r/mr, simply because of how many clashing opinions there are. I am a men's rights enthusiast, but I still disagree with a significant of the people I see commenting here - either because they exhibit much of the same bullshit social programming that irritates me about feminism (example: clinging to political correctness), or because some people care more about the approachableness of a message rather than the content of a message (example: loudly warns r/mr commenters about "scaring people away" and argues that more popularity points is the same as progress).

But I do think there is some truth to your question. This is one of the pitfalls of identity politics (which is very much wrapped up in the topic of gender politics), people get consumed by the idea of sides, and the opponent's side is clearly the devil and needs to be exorcised or some shit like that. Many people go about it like the points made aren't as important as the people making the points.

squirtlekin · 2013-02-17T02:09:31+00:00

SRSers/feminists are barely capable of responding to the arguments of the "other side." Considering that we can provide arguments against their reasoning, I doubt we're as bad.

rebuildingMyself · 2013-02-17T06:22:35+00:00

I wouldn't think so. There's a few reasons:

While feminist subs and definitely SRS love the banhammer for any dissenting opinion, we only ban trolls here. Banhammering fosters a very swamp-like climate that doesn't allow fresh ideas to flow in.
Due to the political climate of our movement, we are held to a much higher standard to debate than feminist viewpoints. A lot of feminist views stand on a foundation like "1 in 4 women are raped" or "7[x]% wage gap" that have been debunked over and over, yet get mentioned in the media or by politicians whenever needed to push an agenda. Since we are fighting against the mainstream tide (especially in the media), we cannot build a sandcastle foundation like this.
Granted there are people that enjoy a good circlejerk of people that agree with them, this is reddit. Admittingly, reddit is DESIGNED for people to enjoy circlejerks. Look at /r/politics as a good example.

rottingchrist · 2013-02-17T05:43:38+00:00

Do you see any dildo pictures here? Or banning people without them even having posted here?

CosmicKeys · 2013-02-17T08:51:27+00:00

MRAs are eager to debate feminists. Feminists want to quash the voice of MRAs.

That's all you need to know.

QuestionC · 2013-02-17T04:25:16+00:00

No. Pretty much half of my posts here are calling you guys out on bad data or disagreeing with you on principle, but I still feel welcome here and my voice is heard. Dissent in the SJW subs will get your posts deleted, and they actively advertise it. The moderation of feminist subs steers them into a culture of no-dissent.

The moderators of /r/MensRights particularly impressed me impressed me with their... well, being moderate during the ViolentAcrez doxxing...

We should be clear about who is responsible for what. Obviously a lot of people here hate SRS, but let's hate them for what they are responsible for, not for things they are not.

The best measure of a person, imho, is how they treat their enemies - not how they treat their friends. If we give up our ethical stance when treating our enemies, we weren't very ethical to begin with.

http://redd.it/11baai

Shit like /r/ShitRedditSays doesn't happen on accident. It happens because that's where the people on top are taking it. /r/Feminism recently took a position of kind of no-dissent moderation and I worry for their future.

salient_punt · 2013-02-17T02:13:43+00:00

Do not try to understand the mind of a narcisist or BPD.

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Nepene · 2013-02-17T04:03:28+00:00

It's perfectly normal believing strongly in something or other as long as you adhere to these three creeds.

It's possible you're wrong. A reasonable person recognizes that with sociological phenomenon they are very hard to interpret and that they might be wrong. So they seek out good evidence on the matter, seek out free debate, and aren't hateful to those who disagree. SRS bans and insults anyone who contradicts them (by their own admission, they are a circlejerk) and is generally unpleasant.
Do you agree with it due to cliches? If whenever someone disagrees you think 'that person has some serious privilege, they should check it' you are not a free thinker. Your thinking is dictated by catch phrases more than reality.
Do you seek to rationalize the pain of others with revenge fantasies? If you believe that a woman hurting doesn't matter because of women's history of violence against men you are somewhat delusional.

jolly_mcfats · 2013-02-17T04:32:50+00:00

It'd be very hard to agree with everything posted on /r/mensrights because there are some pretty fundamental splits on thinking about pretty much everything except for the basic platform (fatherhood issues, health issues, legal issues).

If you are worried about being as unreasonable as /r/srs - I think should ask yourself if you come here to be outraged, or if you come to talk and learn. We are a society that is increasingly addicted to righteous indignation and chances are, if you view /r/mr and /r/srs in the light similar to the patriots and the cowboys, or the democrats and the republicans, then you are falling into an emotional trap.

2013-02-17T06:06:12+00:00

Not at all. Women are a protected class in society. Men are discriminated against left and right. They ARE delusional to think they're oppressed. We have actual issues, they complain about bullshit.

chocoboat · 2013-02-17T10:44:34+00:00

Not even close. Most people in here are willing to have debates about a topic and logically discuss what is fair and what isn't.

Even though SRS is right to be disgusted by some of the hateful and sexist things said (and upvoted) on Reddit, their attitude when discussing it is awful. They're blatantly anti-male, laugh at inequality towards men, refuse to discuss their viewpoints, and ban anyone who tries too hard to disagree with them.

You just don't see that around here... well, not much. There are an unfortunate number of anti-female posts showing up as this subreddit grows, and posts that say things like "um wait, the women are actually right on this topic, let me explain why" are getting kneejerk downvotes.

Bukkake_Monster · 2013-02-17T12:53:05+00:00

Some of us are

2013-02-17T18:18:49+00:00

I haven't noticed so far that an MRM core belief is that women and femininity are the cause of all problems everywhere for everyone, ever. I think the theory of patriarchal oppression is the greatest and most crippling delusion of feminism. If it happened in the MRM, we'd be equally deluded.

MutusCarnifex · 2013-02-17T19:44:54+00:00

Well MRA's are generally open to discussion, whereas the feminists generally don't want to even deal with MRA's. Also we don''t hate women. That's a pretty huge difference.

goat_I_am · 2013-02-17T03:12:23+00:00

I go to both subs. Although the way they go about their agenda may be different than say this subreddits method they make some points that are true just like /r/mensrights. Some comments are racist and sexist just like there are issues with the rights of men. Both subs also fail to recognize the other side. So yes the subs are quite similar in my experience.

IAMULTRAHARDCORE · 2013-02-17T03:26:56+00:00

We don't all agree on everything here. Personally I don't agree with the whole argument around circumcision. I also think the whole "MGTOW" mentality is just an excuse for people to justify giving up on themselves and society. We are not a hivemind here. Not yet anyway.

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