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If stealthing is considered rape, so should lying about birth control. Instead the female version of stealthing is openly encouraged by a TV SHOW! Where’s the media now? Where are you CNN, BBC, Wall street? Imagine the backlash if a man encourages stealthing on TV!? Disgusting woman here.

Lil-Rupees

January 3, 2020
407 upvotes
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Wendy Williams encourages female version of stealthing

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Title If stealthing is considered rape, so should lying about birth control. Instead the female version of stealthing is openly encouraged by a TV SHOW! Where’s the media now? Where are you CNN, BBC, Wall street? Imagine the backlash if a man encourages stealthing on TV!? Disgusting woman here.
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Lil-Rupees

Upvotes 407
Comments 76
Date January 3, 2020 7:47 PM UTC
(6 years ago)
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Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ejkmb3/if_stealthing_is_considered_rape_so_should_lying/
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Comments

[–]SomethingSpecialMayb 70 points71 points72 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

In the space of one clip she’s given bad advice about almost everything from conception to child development. What an awful show.

Also, who is that failure of a bloke front left clapping along to tricking someone into having a baby. I’m not going to make a judgement about it being labelled rape or not, but it sure is immoral and a terrible way to bring a child into this world.

[–]Lil-Rupees 37 points38 points39 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. She basically gave a guideline on how to fuck up a human’s life for 18 years and 9 months in the span of 3 minutes. Ngl you need hella skills to do that. One such skill is being shitty.

[–]codeki 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

At least one. The kid is probably screwed too.

[–]Lil-Rupees 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup

[–]Lil-Rupees 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine seeing your mom on Wendy Williams saying she sabotaged the condom and that’s why you’re born

[–]GSV-ZeroGravitas 28 points29 points30 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If your husband promised you that you could have two kids before you got married, but now changed his mind, should you stop taking your pill to get what you want?

Dated 22 Apr 2014.

I would hope that times have changed since that time, and that she wouldn't dare air those views now because the backlash would destroy her.

[–]Lil-Rupees 17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean she left the video up so that says something.

[–]Lil-Rupees 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But yeah I hope she does air something like this again so that the backlash does destroy her

[–]xXPrettyxXxLiesXx 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The father of my child purposely sabotaged the condom we were using after only a year of dating. At the time I thought it had just broken on its own, but 2 years after our son was born we were arguing and he said “I should’ve never poked a hole in that god damn condom”. Never felt more betrayed in my life. I love my son and wouldn’t give him up for anything but that one really hurt. NO ONE SHOULD HAVE A CHILD FORCED UPON THEM.

[–]Mackowatosc 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You still had options, either by aborting, or by adopting out. Men dont have any legal options or rights in this area, whatsoever.

[–]xXPrettyxXxLiesXx 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. That’s why I firmly believe men should be able to sign away their parental rights (without needing someone to adopt the child) if they don’t want to become parents. Can’t make women abort or give up for adoption but men should be able to chose whether or not they become parents or be financially responsible for said child.

[–]Lil-Rupees 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m very sorry about that and it’s disgusting, but it’s also not the child’s fault. Thank you for not aborting your son and keeping him. I don’t really know what else to say because there aren’t really words I can use to express my gratitude for allowing the boy to live when you could have made your life easier and aborted him. Again I am not trying to excuse the father because what he did was horrible, I’m trying to thank you for not aborting. Have a good night and take care of your son, and he’ll do the same for you when he grows up.

[–]xXPrettyxXxLiesXx 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I will admit I am pro-choice. However, at that point in my life I was in (what I thought was) a good relationship, had graduated from college and was working full time so I decided there would be no better time to start a family. I absolutely adore my son, he is the best thing in my life right now and wouldn’t give him up for anything. Just wish he hadn’t come about from such deception and betrayal. I’ve wondered what I would tell him if he asks how he came to be, I would normally always be honest with him but in this case I’m just not certain. Thank you for the kind words and have a good night as well.

[–]livelauglove 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Even if he did that, he didn't exactly force a child upon you. The primary argument for men not being allowed to have more rights when it comes to children, is that you agreed to have kids the minute you had sex.

All in all, no matter what, your own contraception is your own responsibility.

[–]xXPrettyxXxLiesXx 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, however we both had agreed that condoms were what we were going to use for contraception. I suppose I could’ve chose not to trust him and gotten on birth control. Learned a hard lesson. I’ve tried to get a hysterectomy so I won’t have anymore kids but the doctors won’t allow me to since I’m under 30, only have 1 kid and I’m not married.

[–]Lennyisback81 17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

So should using kegels to break condoms

[–]magikarpjones 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Can you point me to a resource which states this is even possible?

I googled “kegel break condom” and got 0 results saying this is possible.

[–]Traveler11819 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

mmm I'm not sure if they are even being serious but this could be a thing. With pelvic exercise it's possible to gain the ability to prevent yourself from ejaculating while still having an orgasm effectively letting keep going.

many girls actually can't handle non-stop thrusting without getting dry so the condom breaks.

Have you ever been at that magic point where your too drunk to nut but you can still keep it up. Lots of condoms have broken on me during this time.

[+]magikarpjones -11 points-10 points-9 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

“Can’t handle non-stop thrusting without getting dry”

Sounds like a you problem

[–]Traveler11819 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

you prolly don't know what i'm talking about

Some men use combinations of illicit drugs like viagra and cocaine and they can last for hours. I have felt somewhat similar when im drunk and I've heard stories from my friends who have done it after raves. A condom won't last that long. Maybe a really high quality one.

[–]magikarpjones -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This isn’t relevant to what we are talking about, but whatever.

That’s not my issue. You really shouldn’t be thrusting at all if a woman is dry. It’ll hurt her, and it’s also an indication she’s not into what’s going down.

Maybe for whatever reason she’s not real wet but is interested: use lube, obviously?

[–]Traveler11819 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i think ur being dense just to troll tbh.

[–]Lennyisback81 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Experience

[–]magikarpjones 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok well that’s anecdotal and you know that, so let’s move on.

[–]Lennyisback81 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Lil-Rupees 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely

[–]MushroomTaco 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn, those would be some powerful fucking kegels.

[–]GoodSirBrett 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

What is stealthing? Is that when someone takes a condom off in the middle of sex to get a girl pregnant?

[–]Lil-Rupees 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yup

[–]GoodSirBrett 17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Both sides are wrong. If both parties dont agree to having another child, then tricking the other party is some fucked up shit.

[–]Lil-Rupees 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly my point.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

During the eighties it related to misuse of condoms to infect others with HIV. It's another issue hijacked by feminists.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That. Also, deliberate sabotage of birth control in many ways is considered stealthing...if a man does it.

[–]mildew_consciousness 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is one of the reasons why men should have the right to claim a paper abortion.

[–]feltentragus 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think a man should be able to enter into a contract where he gives up all rights to the child and is non liable for support. (Naturally this would not be retroactive.)

Unfortunately that would involve him trusting the court system, which has proven to be an extremely dumb move.

[+]Lil-Rupees -8 points-7 points-6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Imho I don’t think men should be able to abort and nor should women. I think that when a child is created it should grow up w a father and mother, not a mother and a father’s wallet or be killed in the womb. But as long as women can abort I think men should be able to as well on paper for the sake of fairness.

[–]MarsNirgal 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Guys, besides how shitty this is, another point: THIS IS WHY WE NEED TO TAKE CONTROL OF OUR REPRODUCTIVE CAPACITIES.

Condoms are there, RISUG is in trials but without enough volunteers to finish them, and if you want something more permanent, you can freeze sperm samples and get a vasectomy.

So far women have had almost the sole responsibility of contraception, and just as well almost the sole decision power. We need to change that.

[–]Lil-Rupees 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup

[–]Lil-Rupees 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But vasectomies are expensive and not good for people who want kids some day

[–]quixotik 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

On the TV show 'Mad About You' the wife 'forgot on purpose' her birth control, taking the consent away from her husband. This was back in the late '90s

[–]Lil-Rupees 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Jeez that’s fucked up

[–]quixotik 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I remember watching the episode and thinking WTF!

[–]Lil-Rupees 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oof

[–]gentlysmiteme 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Actually, lying about taking birth control when you really aren't, IS legally a form of rape that women can be registed as a sex offender and sent to prison for.

[–]Lil-Rupees 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not in the UK apparently. Maybe I was misinformed though. Still the issue doesn’t get 1/10000th of the attention stealthing does.

[–]magikarpjones -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

No thinking adult believes lying about birth control is ok, just like no thinking adult believes “stealthing” is ok.

[–]Lil-Rupees 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I mean look at Wendy Williams. She’s a thinking adult, but a very very very horribly opinionated one as well. It’s not about thinking, it’s abt opinions

[–]SchmidtytheKid 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She’s a thinking adult

Is she though?

[–]Lil-Rupees 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shhhhhhh

[–]magikarpjones 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, are you a millionaire with your own show?

[+]magikarpjones -7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

No, she wants viewers and ad space, so she encourages crazy stuff bc it gets—you guessed it!—viewers and ad space.

YOU are even promoting her show, right here, right now. She wins.

[–]Lil-Rupees 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I guess you’re right man

[+]magikarpjones -7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. I am.

[–]Lil-Rupees 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Still just tryna raise awareness to show people the ugly truth of what is socially acceptable. To me that’s worth the trade off because a few more views won’t make a difference and these guys probably aren’t subbing to her or supporting her in any way but watching the video

[–]Lil-Rupees 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Gr8

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It would be crazy to suggest that if a man wants a kid and she doesn't he should just rape her until she gives him one.

She would never suggest this.

Why?

[–]magikarpjones 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Like, you’re not tricking me. I know you think you are, but you’re not.

Why? Because it’s fucking wrong, just like lying about birth control is wrong. I never said different. I said it’s stupid to get upset over this show, because it’s intentionally wild and crazy. It’s like Jerry springer, it’s not real.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok focus. She did suggest her raping him.

She would never suggest him raping her.

Think about this.

[–]magikarpjones 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You know what? You’re right.

I’m being sincere. It is shitty, and if a show treated other kinds of rape this flippantly, I’d be disgusted.

And I’m disgusted by this, too.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

A large number of women do justify exactly this behavior.

[–]magikarpjones 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How do you know? Do you have statistics? Or is this more “my friend told me” bullshit?

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well look at the response to this video. Anyone lose their job?

[+]magikarpjones -7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

I’m confused, can this not be prevented by either abstaining from sex or by wearing a condom?

[–]Lil-Rupees 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Yes but some couples use birth control as their contraceptive so the guy can go in raw, but sometimes women lie about being on birth control so the guy thinks she can’t get pregnant.

[+]magikarpjones -8 points-7 points-6 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Right...so don’t do that.

Like I don’t know how to say this in a different way.

Wear a condom, or don’t have sex, and this is a non-issue.

[–]Lil-Rupees 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It is an issue. Because many people want to have sex without getting pregnant, and generally when you have sex you assume the person you’re having sex with won’t try to deceive you and use you to have a child. Condoms aren’t reliable when used with a deceptive partner, and nor is birth control. This is an issue because stealthing is legally considered rape, but the female version where they lie about using birth control isn’t considered rape. People need sex, and wearing a condom and birth control are the two main methods people use as they are both the easiest and quite effective. The argument here isn’t about what method you should use, it’s about the fact that a female deceiving a man and saying she’s using birth control is also rape, just like when a man sneaks a condom off mid sex is also rape.

[–]magikarpjones -5 points-4 points-3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

People don’t need sex, for one.

For two, again, all of this can be prevented by not having sex.

Or, limiting sex to people you trust, such as within a married partnership.

Or, using condoms. Not sure what you mean when you say they aren’t effective when used with a deceptive partner. Like what, you’re worried she’ll pull it out of the trash? Because maybe reconsider whom you’re sleeping with, or just flush it down the toilet.

But again, gaining consent through deception is rape, I agree, and no thinking adult doesn’t agree.

[–]MyOldNameSucked 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People don’t need sex, for one.

Sure a lack of sex won't kill you, but neither is a diet of dry bread, tepid water and raw vegetables.

limiting sex to people you trust, such as within a married partnership

The deceptive woman is married to her victim.

just flush it down the toilet.

I would hate to be your plumber.

[–]Lil-Rupees 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with everything you said there, but you misunderstood my point completely pal. I agree you should have sex only w people you know/trust but sometimes some people violate that trust, and when that happens then it should be punishable. What I meant with condoms are ineffective with deceptive partners is that with deceptive partners in this sense that lie about using some sort of birth control, it doesn’t matter what method you were using, because when someone does that there is no birth control being used at all.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What you are saying is, basically, telling a rape victim not to dress provocativelly like that.

Fuck off.

[–]magikarpjones 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m not gonna fuck off, but I will tell you I’ve realized I’m wrong.

It is shitty to treat this subject so flippantly.

[–]BulldogOatmeal 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

With your logic, women shouldn't leave the house in anything but a chastity belt and ankle-long dress. Rape can be prevented but you don't want to take it to the extreme there? If 2 consenting adults engage in intercourse and 1 of those people deliberately deceives the other about contraception, it should be a felony, period. But unfortunately, society doesn't take equality seriously otherwise no one would have clapped on this show. They CERTAINLY would not have supported her if she was a man and wanted to "stealth" for a baby.

Just because it can technically be prevented doesn't mean the conversation is irrelevant.

[–]magikarpjones -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that’s not what I’ve said.

[–]BulldogOatmeal 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Obviously, but it follows the same logic train. Tell me how it doesn't.

[–]magikarpjones 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Uh, I don’t have to, because that’s not what I said.

I communicate precisely. Logically. There’s no need to “follow logic trains.”

[–]BulldogOatmeal 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not what it means. If you're going to form an opinion then it would be wise to use that logic in other applications to make sure its sound.

Precise communication with logical analyses are great, but that's why even scientific researchers have a peer review process. One person might not see everything or might make a mistake in their...logic.

But if you'd kindly tell me how our two scenarios, given your logic, are different, I'm all ears.

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