"Inside men’s rights groups"

rocelot7 · 2015-03-21T18:59:30+00:00

"A popular book among men’s rights activists – American ones, at least – is Ayn Rand’s hymn to hyper-capitalism, Atlas Shrugged."

Umm, I don't think anyone here ever spoke of the virtues of Ayn Rand.

TheMightyMrM · 2015-03-21T16:45:19+00:00

I can't read entire articles like this, it's too hard to deal with the stupid.

DaNiceguy · 2015-03-21T17:13:36+00:00

Hah, at least they didn't discover our secret salute!

JackBadass · 2015-03-21T18:32:24+00:00

What ever happened to journalism? Back in the day, you had to fact check before you did something like this. Clearly whoever wrote this failed to do that.

GreatBaldung · 2015-03-21T16:15:29+00:00

What in the world did I just read...

Oh, and this excerpt,

(...)Uncontrolled, uninformed, ugly. Women are variously dismissed as witches, inveterate con artists, entrapment specialists, or worse – all cloaked in the auspices of feminism.

kind of makes sense, if one drops the fullstop:

Uncontrolled, uninformed, ugly women are variously dismissed as witches, inveterate con artists, entrapment specialists, or worse – all cloaked in the auspices of feminism.

wazzup987 · 2015-03-21T16:59:29+00:00

Ladies and gentlemen i give word salad

dungone · 2015-03-21T19:16:04+00:00

Farrell’s diagnosis is more economic, and in reading the literature and online forums I detected strains of anti-capitalism. Namely, that capitalism engenders a large and squalid class of male labourers, milks the profits for elites and leaves the workers with empty mouths and broken backs. That women might be blamed for these circumstances seems an odd non sequitur – and ignores the female-heavy sweatshop industries of developing countries, for example – but the argument maintains that male bondage is enforced by gender roles and female ungratefulness. Men are shackled by class, capitalism and historical expectations.

In other words, the claim is that feminists in the West are allowed to dismiss statistics about the West because women in developing nations still have to work for a living. What was it that the author was saying about non sequiturs?

It's also perplexing how he calls it a non sequitur only moments before acknowledging what the actual argument is - that sexist gender roles contribute to the problems faced by men. He calls tries to brush it aside as an "economic" argument when a man is, for instance, forced to earn a high-income on the threat of going to jail if he fails to pay alimony or child support (for children he has no rights to, to a wife who invariably divorced him for failing to meet her economic expectations). Or the way in which college educated black women refuse to marry working class black men, even though no one would dare dismiss the discrimination faced by black men as merely "historical". I wasn't aware that college educated black women or the National Organization for Women were merely playing the role of "capitalists" when contributing to men's struggles.

Vanriel · 2015-03-21T19:51:29+00:00

The world of men’s rights activism is an echo chamber of private resentments, violent misogyny and permanent victimhood.

I absolutely see no reason to even start reading this article.

chavelah · 2015-03-21T21:28:44+00:00

“Marriage has a practical foundation,” he tells me. “You’re fusing yourself into the family. Like atoms and molecules fuse. It’s profound. And children are born into that fusion. Marriage isn’t a licence to have sex or obtain chattel, it’s synonymous with children. It’s not about the adults. Children are for life, not weekends, and they deserve that family.”

I believe all of that - and yet I have never put on a paramilitary garb and stalked people accused of adultery. The journalist is hostile, but this guy is a fruit loop unless he is being entirely misquoted.

chafedinksmut · 2015-03-21T19:50:32+00:00

Without reading the article, LET ME JUST FUCKING GUESS:

1- They mention not one of our core issues like Automatic 50% custody, the draft, unfair alimony practices, or sentencing equality for female criminals.

2.- They do not once paint us as anything more than omnipotent crybabies who can somehow maintain a secret global cabal of rapists to oppress all women.

3.- They equate us with PUAs and RedPill.

Did I get any of that wrong, or are these fucking ignorant bigots exactly who I think they are?

Vanriel · 2015-03-22T08:56:05+00:00

I found the comments (mostly) by far the best part.

TracyMorganFreeman · 2015-03-22T18:53:16+00:00

Ah yes the Jezebel level of journalism: find one instance of a member saying something in a group and apply it to everyone.

Arby01 · 2015-03-22T03:37:17+00:00

Meh, this is a hit piece done too poorly, long too late. There is nothing that hasn't been said before. The author twists and spins to attempt to show a negative face to the MRM but only parrots attacks that have already been ignored as pathetic.

Tedesche · 2015-03-22T00:11:27+00:00

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Saturday_Paper

It's a weekly paper, created a year ago (meaning it's still losing money), with the goal of reaching a circulation of 60-80k in Australia. Who the fuck cares? When NYT, CNN, Fox, MSNBC, BBC, Guardian, Al Jazeera, etc, publishes stories like this, I get pissed, but when the local paper in some bumblefuck town does it, I smirk.

Chill, guys. This is a micro-droplet in the bucket.

Title	"Inside men’s rights groups"
Author	jamminnummeruno
Upvotes	44
Comments	61
Date	March 21, 2015 2:54 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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