It's Time

CalonMawr · 2017-05-25T00:09:19+00:00

really just tell your boys that there is nothing wrong with just being a boy.

I heard a lot of the time growing up that I was "broken" (even more in high-school with the feminism classes) and needed something to fix me. I still don't quite know what they wanted me to find.

Just telling your children that men are people too, and should be treated with just as much respect and empathy is important. Of course the reverse is true too. Tell your kids not to talk to strangers, don't add "unless they are pretty ladies" as a stipulation either.

Really just raise your kids to be the kids you want to see leading your country regardless of if they are male or female.

Of course if you don't have kids, online activism (especially intactavism) and talking with expecting parents about not circumcising their child is really important. Ireland is mostly Catholic, so you could convince any catholic not to cut by bringing up Paul's teachings where he makes it VERY clear that circumcision does nothing to bring you closer to god.

To be honest, not much else you can do unless you are a congresswoman or a bill about men's issues comes up. I really hope men actually start marching for their rights in large numbers but the fact is most guys have a lot to do. I work a few jobs and am going to school. I can't just up and leave for another state or country and trying to organize a march on men's rights (I have tried) has gotten me mocked out of a few college clubs.

EricAllonde · 2017-05-25T01:04:07+00:00

But it all feels much more urgent since I gave birth to my son last year.

To add to what others have said, if you're willing to try reaching out to other women, then start with the mothers of boys.

We often see that the women most likely to question women and reject society's lack of empathy for men & boys - are mothers of sons.

I presume it's something to do with the fact that women have an in-group preference towards other women. (Just like men have an out-group preference towards women). So no one is naturally inclined to care about men, and for women it often seems to require the personal stakes of having a son to act as a "bridge" into empathy for the male gender.

So perhaps you could do a blog, podcast or something similar targeted at an audience of mothers who have sons? It's a bit narrowly focused but should be much more persuasive because of that fact.

theothermod · 2017-05-25T00:26:51+00:00

I made this an announcement because there are probably other women asking the same question after seeing the documentary.

My own suggestion would be to spread the word among other women. Ask them to see the documentary, or even hold viewings at your home.

More women need to know.

CalonMawr · 2017-05-25T01:07:19+00:00

http://travelwedo.tumblr.com/post/108089940947/tahtahtahtia-today-my-anthro-professor-said

“you all have a little bit of ‘I want to save the world’ in you, that’s why you’re here, in college. I want you to know that it’s okay if you only save one person, and it’s okay if that person is you”

It's okay and proper if that person is your son. Maybe helping your son leads to becoming involved in the PTA or starting a club, and that leads to helping other boys, but charity begins at home.

Beware the interaction of the apex fallacy (where average and below-average men, and their concerns and problems, are invisible) with the Lake Wobegon fallacy (where parents assume their children will turn out above average in everything that matters).

Allow a space for male mentorship, trusting to the life experience and instinct of his father and other male relatives. They know things about your son that you don't. Beware the big pink puffballs of understanding. Your empathy is welcome in proportion and context, but it's not infallible and it's not a solution to every problem.

SantaOrange · 2017-05-25T00:20:16+00:00

Maybe start an MRM group? I'd like to see one in every major city and town in the next decade. The more women that become involved the more powerful we will be -- and, paradoxically, the more empowered women will be. Join the honey badgers? They're a great group of gals (and a few guys) fighting for men's rights. I'm sure they'd be happy to have you on and advise you.

RapeMatters · 2017-05-25T00:29:24+00:00

I'll put in my two cents - talk about consent in a true gender neutral manner (when you get to that point). Emphasize that consent is important to both parties, and he has a right to say no and have that respected. There's also no shame in admitting when you're over your head and need help.

JestyerAverageJoe · 2017-05-25T03:17:22+00:00

Thank you! Women's voices will ultimately make or break the MRM and people like you can make a difference. Maybe speak out about men's issues to the people in your life? Changing minds starts at the local level. Another thing would be highlighting and critiquing misandry, which is so common most people don't even recognize it, but which undermines men everywhere.

atheist4thecause · 2017-05-25T08:13:23+00:00

You can get involved in the school system. I'm not exactly sure what it's like in Ireland, but there is usually some sort of Feminist propaganda to fight against, because Feminist propaganda by it's very nature hurts men and boys. Just discussing these issues with people is a great way, and you can do so in person or online. You could organize meetups that don't necessarily have to have a lot of people. There is a Humanist group that meets up every week by me (in the USA) despite only having about 15-20 members total, fewer that actually attend, so it can be done. You could write article to have published by different outlets. You can call your government representatives and advocate for different issues. The one that can realistically have the largest impact is getting on the schools, especially the school system that your child is most likely to grow up into. You have to fight anti-male propaganda now if you want it out by the time he's old enough to get into school, and there are lots of statistics you can bring attention to the school authorities to help them realize that it's actually boys that struggle in school, not girls. I really think there are many school representatives that simply don't realize this.

iainmf · 2017-05-25T01:44:59+00:00

The perfect is the enemy of the good so don't get too bogged down in the details. I would suggest that you find something that you enjoy, suits your particular personality and can be done over a long period without burning you out. .

Imnotmrabut · 2017-05-25T10:00:20+00:00

Dear Mrs Brown ......

Rasalom72 · 2017-05-25T13:10:54+00:00

Make sure your son is around other boys... if you have a boy scouts (that only admits boys) put him in that. Boys need to do boy things, and he needs to spend time with his father doing "man things", like working in the garage, getting dirty, etc. It's a great way for a boy to learn how to be a man, and bonding with his dad/ uncles/ etc.

MagicTampon · 2017-05-25T21:36:14+00:00

Run for office on a pro-boys platform!

Xorism · 2017-05-25T23:32:07+00:00

What do you want the world to look like for your son? The world has been willing to talk about the plight of women for a long time and then someone comes along to take action. What are you willing to do?

Blutarg · 2017-05-25T01:33:53+00:00

I don't know what means are available to you, but maybe you could campaign for men's resources that are lacking where you live, for instance if there are few homeless shelters that accept men that would be good to address.

quackquackoopz · 2017-05-25T07:00:54+00:00

Organise screenings of the movie in your area, hell across Ireland if possible.

splodgenessabounds · 2017-05-25T09:18:19+00:00

First, good on you for having a mind of your own when it comes to the so-called Patriarchy and all that claptrap. And for watching Cassie Jaye's film.

I don't have any real "advice" for you, since you seem to be perfectly capable of working things out for yourself, bar the following thoughts:

1) Keep questioning the narrative we're all fed about men and boys, and women and girls. That could be anything from policy on DV (no, it's not simply a matter of men beating women) or divorce/ child custody (where the children almost always end up with the mother), to something as banal as TV sitcoms and adverts which invariably feature dopey fathers/ men and samrt, sassy mothers/ women. The latter might sound trivial, but when the same theme is repeated over and over and over again every other minute, it's anything but. Challenge this - not because all men and boys are sweet, innocent angels (I am, but let's not get personal here...) but because they are as human and as variously wonderful and annoying as women and girls are. Then...

2) Take that conversation or principle or theme with you when you meet friends and family. On those occasions where something about gender comes up, especially where you suspect someone is merely parroting some stereotype about males, question them. Obviously I can't tell you how to do that cos I don't know you or your family or friends, and I certainly do not want you to lose them over this. But you're an intelligent human being - you can figure this out. That said, try not to be a pain in the arse about this - don't lecture, don't pick on people over trivial stuff, don't berate.

3) If people you're with are curious about your stance, or they're asking reasonable questions, or you suspect they might be more open-minded than they're letting on, merely suggest they watch The Red Pill. Don't tell them what to think, just get them to watch it. At the very least it will - if they're as reasonable as you think they are - show them that there really are problems that men and boys have that desperately need attention (suicide rates triple that of women being not the least of them).

I'm more encouraged by the reactions after watching The Red Pill that are being posted on this sub than I thought I would be, yours especially because it's well expressed. I admit I did not expect Cassie Jaye's film to make much of a lasting impact and I'm happy to have been proven wrong. I suspect The Red Pill may be one of those cracks in the dam wall that will not submit to any remedial plasterwork by Feminism^TM. It might be a trickle at the moment, but given enough time...

In that vein, then, one last thing you could do. I encourage... no, urge you to contact Cassie Jaye (facebook, twitter, youtube, however you like) and tell her what you told us. She needs to know the service she has done not just us men and boys, but all of us.

hottake_toothache · 2017-05-25T13:07:18+00:00

Yes, it is.

CalonMawr · 2017-05-26T10:31:46+00:00

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CalonMawr · 2017-05-26T18:20:01+00:00

Feminism is not about equality. Period.

If you want to make the world a better place for men and, particularly, for women you have start seeing feminism as an enemy. Sorry to say it but that's the bottom line.

Otherwise a decent post.

Swordfish101101 · 2017-05-26T20:14:33+00:00

The only thing that is going to bring about real change is if the LAWS are changed. Today in any Western country women have GOD LIKE legal power over men and children and women are free of any consequences when falsely accusing a husband to get him kicked out so she can move her new boyfriend in. Which is why women initiate 80% of the divorces- because they can.

ALL of the divorce laws need to be radically changed, bring back fault divorce and whoever leaves a marriage only gets the clothes on their back. And if the woman is caught having sex with other men, she automatically loses everything in divorce automatically. The extremely, EXTREMELY lame excuse feminists make as to why we can't possibly bring back fault divorce is because 'what if the woman is being abused?!? OK, what if she is? THEN LEAVE. Go stay somewhere else. That has NOTHING to do with divorce law and who gets what in a divorce. Fault divorce doesn't mean being chained down in a closet!! LOL LOL

And the children go to the father by default, the way it was before the 1980s. Eliminate VAWA and harshly sentence any female makes a false accusation or tries to keep her children from seeing their father or lies to them and tells them he doesn't love them the way most mothers do today.

Abolish all of welfare, child support and alimony completely and permanently. No adult, regardless of their gender deserves to be paid by a man to live for free. Now if you're disabled (with a real and true physical disability) you can still collect disability.

And our divorce court and family courts are extremely, extremely corrupt and became 'for profit' in the U.S. back in the late 80s which is why they so aggressively attack men and encourage women to make false accusations, that now false accusations by women of 'abuse' are automatic in divorce courts. The whole way the courts are structured is just pure evil itself. All nothing but 100% feminist hags and bureaucrats there to make men's lives as miserable as possible. And it's been this way for 35 years.

And then the problem of women in the West today themselves, whorish, spiteful, passive aggressive, back stabbing, manipulative and on and on and on and then there's the fact that women are now so BUTCH and mannish and more than half of them obese and tatted up and STD infested- just GROSS- that now women aren't even psychically attractive to men anymore.

It's why I'm not even mildly or remotely attracted to women anymore at all. There are women who are actually attracted to me because I'm tall and have a good career, but all that's going to happen is she going to get pregnant and leave in a couple of years and I'll be paying $1000 a month for children I'll never get to see and who will told 'I don't love them and don't care.' 94% of marriages in the U.S. end in divorce before the 10 year mark, many of them in only 3 years and 80% of the time it is the FEMALE who has caused the divorce.

InBaggingArea · 2017-05-27T21:56:40+00:00

Empty your pockets and hand over your money. ;-)~

CalonMawr · 2017-05-25T22:24:55+00:00

The problem is that females don't even give a shit about us.

Title	It's Time
Author	CalonMawr
Upvotes	109
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Date	May 24, 2017 11:28 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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