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[–]my_nan_is_boss 42 points43 points44 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You should get out the CALM website. They're a fantastic charity that deal with men's mental heath problems amongst other things. Cannot give them enough praise.
https://www.thecalmzone.net/
[–]SamHarrisFan 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I read "men's mental health problems" as "men's menstrual health problems"
[–]COYAD 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean, if a man has menstrual health at all, let alone bad menstrual health, it's some kind of a problem, and I'm using way too many fucking commas.
[–]Revoran 139 points140 points141 points 11 years ago* (24 children) | Copy Link
It's awesome to see this issue actually getting some attention. Truly unbelievable that males kill themselves at a rate 3-4 times that of females, and this holds true in the US, UK, Canada and Australia. If you compare divorced men to divorced women it's 12 times higher. But instead of confronting and investigating this we hand-wave it away with "but women make more attempts" (which isn't comparable since you can make many attempts but only 'succeed' once) and "but men are more likely to use guns or jump off a bridge".
Although the sign should actually read:
One of the twelve men who takes their own lives every day in this country.
[–]tech_cc 33 points34 points35 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Mental health is important to talk about and accept.
Attempts are important to track for everyone. My brother had a number of attempts over the years. When we were first on the nightmare journey that is the US mental health system, an attempt was the only thing that was bad enough for my parents to finally hospitalize my brother. A decade and a half later they are willing to pull the trigger much sooner, and my brother is healthier for it.
Don't let it come to this, talk about it, listen when it is important to listen. Deal with mental health like the body system it is and take care of it early and often! Be accepting of humanity with all its strengths and weaknesses.
[–]starbuxed 20 points21 points22 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
pull the trigger much sooner
Phrazing
[–]tech_cc 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Ah, I know. Eek.
Coming from the position of knowing what kind of place the person will go to, it feels like pulling the trigger.
Many treatments have permanent effects (like constant shaking), and some (like electroshock) can still cause death. There is nothing good about how people with mental illness are treated in this country,you are often just a guinea pig because it's hard to know how different people with the same disorder will respond to the same medication, and diagnosis can change every time you go to the doctor.
Treatment from the staff and doctors has a wide range not just from hospital to hospital, but also shift to shift.
Once my brother was beaten bloody by an orderly. The orderly was later fired, but that night my brother was left in a pool of his own blood, because he didn't want to take a shower.
My brother once had a breakdown out of town, and had to go to a small town hospital. they didn't know what his medications were, even though they were decades old medications that are commonly used. My parents had his medications, but were not allowed to give it to the hospital. so my brother suffered and got worse off of his medications until at least a week later when a counselor from his original hospital took the time and gas and effort to take just his medication to him almost 2 hours away. Because the medications from my parents couldn't be trusted? Legal issues? I have no idea. A pharmacists would be able to tell what they are by looking them up, but system is setting people up for failure.
[–]starbuxed 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If they have the bottle with script the doctor can proscribe.
[–]COYAD 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Some part of this problem is just that neuroscience is a field that has a lot of questions yet to be answered. Trained doctors don't have telepathy, but they can sure as hell do research. The system itself could use some tweaking to make what treatment it can give more accessible.
[–]blndcavefsh 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That sounds painful when you spell it with a 'z'
[–]starbuxed 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
good it should be painful
[–]fuerve 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Minor point, it should read "takes his" or "takes his own." It's weird to me that someone can get all the way up to printing out a giant billboard without an editor doing a pronoun check.
[–]alecbenzer -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I think a lot of people find singular they pretty acceptable.
[–]fuerve 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I suppose that's true. Grinds my gears a little, but that's how language develops.
[–]autowikibot -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Singular they:
Singular *they_ is the use of they, or its inflected or derivative forms, such as them, their, or themselves, to refer to a single person or an antecedent that is grammatically singular. It typically occurs with an antecedent of indeterminate gender, as in sentences such as: "Everyone returned to their seats." "Somebody left their umbrella in the office. Would they please collect it?" "The patient should be told at the outset how much they will be required to pay." "But a journalist should not be forced to reveal their sources." A reason for its use is that English has no dedicated singular personal pronoun of indeterminate gender. In some cases, its use can be explained by notional agreement because words like "everyone", though singular in form, are plural in meaning. Its use in formal English has increased in recent times with the trend toward gender-inclusive language, but it has been used by respected writers for centuries. Though singular they has a long history of usage and is common in everyday English, its use has been criticized since the late nineteenth century, and acceptance varies.
Singular *they_ is the use of they, or its inflected or derivative forms, such as them, their, or themselves, to refer to a single person or an antecedent that is grammatically singular. It typically occurs with an antecedent of indeterminate gender, as in sentences such as:
"Everyone returned to their seats."
"Somebody left their umbrella in the office. Would they please collect it?"
"The patient should be told at the outset how much they will be required to pay."
"But a journalist should not be forced to reveal their sources."
A reason for its use is that English has no dedicated singular personal pronoun of indeterminate gender. In some cases, its use can be explained by notional agreement because words like "everyone", though singular in form, are plural in meaning. Its use in formal English has increased in recent times with the trend toward gender-inclusive language, but it has been used by respected writers for centuries.
Though singular they has a long history of usage and is common in everyday English, its use has been criticized since the late nineteenth century, and acceptance varies.
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[–]COYAD -2 points-1 points0 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Their is plural, so it depends. Are you referring to 1 in 12, or 1 in 12? The first one makes more sense logically, but the second one reads better in my mind. I agree with you though.
[–]SweetiePieJonas 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In this sentence, the subject is "One of the twelve men", so it's not plural.
[–]Raudskeggr 11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Now just wait for some "feminist" blogger or talking head to start in about how this is in some way offensive to women. :p
[–]TracyMorganFreeman 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's often dismissed with "well women attempt it 3 times more often!"
Except that means per attempt, men die 12 times as often.
In the US 1.1% of female suicide attempts result in suicide. It's 12% for men.
[–]COYAD 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
sauce
[–]SweetiePieJonas 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is just basic math, given that men commit suicide 4 times as often and women attempt suicide 3 times as often. Or were you asking for the source on attempts?
[–]mindbleach 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
A comparable number of men and women will attempt suicide at least once. The 3:1 ratio is one of those neat little factoids that disguises the whole story.
This is a serious gender issue, what with most suicidal women and barely half of suicidal men seeking mental health services, but nobody is helped by pushing these sloppy statistics.
[–]AnArcher 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Are women more open to the idea of therapy in the first place? Is it considered feminine?
[–]jeegte12 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
it's not "tough" or "masculine" to seek therapy. i'm having a tough time convincing myself to seek help. just an anecdote, i'm not looking for advice.
[–]dontpet 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Also, typically women are exposed to a lot more health care services offering opportunities to form trusting relationships with health professionals. Men rarely see a doctor between the ages of 15 and 40 because they don't need to.
People are going to say it's "the pussy way" but I don't think that's the reason. I think it has more to do with society telling everyone that women have twice the problems and men are privileged so stfu about your stupid suicidy thoughts this woman over here actually wants to kill herself. It's slightly different than the other theory.
[–]IcarusBurning 16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Where is this?
[–]discordkestrel[S] 30 points31 points32 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Portsmouth in the UK, they had posters like this in the city centre. I'll see if I can get some shots of the others and post them...
[–]innocently_standing 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Seen this up north too.
[–]Cellar_Door_ 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
and bristol
[–]fozzie1984 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thought this was in america.im in cornwall and would love to see things like this here
[–]Imnotmrabut 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe in 2087 when it comes to Rural Mental Health! P)
It's a pity that Cornwall is recognised as one of the worst 5 counties in the UK ... and potentially No 1.
Patients in Cornwall receiving dismissive advice, with one being told "I am the only one working, don't kill yourself on my shift".
CQC Inspection Report September 2013 - page 11
The history of failure including The Budock Abuse Scandal is horrifying. Abused. Bullied. Confined. Drugged.
I have report of folks in Cornwall highlighting CALM and being told go and ask them for help in place of actual care.
[–]the-tominator 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Saw one in Southampton today as well
[–]mightyflynn 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's a hell of an ad. It takes more than talking to solve this problem, but talking is a fantastic place to start. I love seeing change like this.
Happy new year's, r/mensrights. Here's to a fantastic 2015.
[–]ProfKinkyBoots 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There is one near me. I read it today on the way to the shops; it gave me a smile. It's in Lee, Lewisham, London. ~ "Manicure. A fully loaded fry up the morning after a heavy night.
[–]adreamtomeat 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Very important issue.
This was in Vancouver recently: http://www.manupagainstsuicide.ca/
[–]COYAD 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow. This is some really interesting stuff.
[–]IgnatiusBSamson 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is wonderful.
[–]KRosen333 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is what I like seeing on my front page.
:) Keep being awesome, /r/MensRights!
[–]COYAD 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
12 a day
Holy fuck. Is this true? Does the Department of Justice keep tabs on suicide, even though it's not a crime? What's the most reliable source for this kind of thing? I just don't want to sound like the 1 in 5 morons, but it's kind of hard to misinterpret a suicide.
"Have you ever died while under the influence of alcohol? Then it wasn't a suicide because you couldn't consent."
What's causing all these male suicides anyway? Hormones? "DO A FLIP NO BALLS"? Veterans/cops? Societal pressure? Just good ol sexual dimorphism? Most of the people I've met that have admitted to having suicidal thoughts were women - especially in the teenage years - but I'm no scientist and I've never conducted a study for it.
[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The 12 per day figure is for the UK - and given population differences North America is far higher.
figures quoting a suicide ever 12.9 minutes are common = 112 per day - and given gender differences that would be some 90 men per day in the USA Alone.
[–]COYAD 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Do you know a good source for this?
[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
https://www.afsp.org/news-events/in-the-news/suicide-prevention-investment-needed-to-reverse-trend-of-increasing-suicide
From 1999 to 2010, the suicide rate among Americans ages 35 to 64 rose by nearly 30 percent, to 17.6 deaths per 100,000 people, up from 13.7. Although suicide rates are growing among both middle-aged men and women, far more men take their own lives. The suicide rate for middle-aged men was 27.3 deaths per 100,000, while for women it was 8.1 deaths per 100,000.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/03/health/suicide-rate-rises-sharply-in-us.html?_r=0
Thanks. Holy hell.
[–]PaintAndPlastic 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They were all women because most men don't talk about their depression. There is and always has been pressure on men to just "deal with it" and "man up". We've grown up thinking that if a man needs help, it's his own fault for not being able to carry his own burdens.
[–]Professor_Yaffle 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Here's the campaign page, along with responses, some bizarre.
[–]68696c6c 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Both pictures are too small to read :/
[–]Professor_Yaffle 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Here's one where you should be able to read it.
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[–]so_smog_hog 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
One in twelve. That's shocking.
[–]ZombieAlpacaLips 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's one of 12, not one in 12. Unless I'm mistaken (don't know the stats where this sign is), it's saying that 12 men a day commit suicide, and this sign refers to an individual one of them. It's not saying that one in 12 men will commit suicide.
[–]SamHarrisFan 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
otherwise all men would be dead by the end of the 12 days of christmas.
[–]14M73G3ND 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh I saw an ad on a bus stop for this website and totally forgot about it until now. Thanks for posting, it seems like a good one.
[–]Progressisgood 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I spent a decade denying the way I felt. Waking up everyday with an unearned sense of dread, turning the smallest issues into crusades, dealing with crippling self loathing and hatred all for no reason. I could never figure out why the only emotions I ever felt were anger, sadness and fear. It wasn't until years later when I had to be sat down and told that I needed to be evaluated that I discovered I had an Anxiety disorder coupled with Massive Depression. I wasted years of my life feeling that way everyday for no other reason then my own inherited biology; I think it's great that there are rapid we out there discussing the issues regarding depression in men and hopefully the stigma can one day be removed and men won't have to feel shame about dealing with an issue inherent to their biology.
Sorry for the rant.
[–]discordkestrel[S] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't apologise for this comment, taking about what happened is exactly what this post is about.
[+]warspite88 -17 points-16 points-15 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
good to see this!! supporting!
Just a reminder that Feminism is the most successful hate movement in history. Its hate towards men and its policies over the years have helped lead to tremendous misery and suicide rates for men. Thankfully people are waking up to feminism's failures and to mens suffering.
[–]j-dawg-94 11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
You are spreading a hate movement right now. Why not focus on male issues and draw attention to them like the Campaign Against Living Miserably instead of trying to tear away at a women's rights movement?
There are gender issues on both sides and one is not more important than the other, if you think it is, that's not advocating men's rights, that's sexism and should be taken somewhere else.
edit: brutal formatting and missing words.
[–]Moonchopper 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It would seem to me that, in the context of this issue, that the goals of feminism and men's rights overlap. Perhaps I'm making an assumption, but I believe that society's general view of what behavior is appropriate of a man and of a woman plays a large role in these statistics. Specifically, in the fact that a man who admits to being upset, depressed, or otherwise not 'a-okay' is somehow exhibiting traits/behavior exclusively reserved for the opposite sex - therefore, they are 'less of a man' and are ridiculed/shunned by those who subscribe to society's general beliefs. Likewise, a woman who somehow exhibits traits/behaviors that are commonly associated with men is somehow 'less of a woman', and is ridiculed/shunned by those who subscribe to society's general beliefs.
Just thinking out loud. I'm sure some on this sub have already reached this conclusion - I just don't subscribe.
[–]KRosen333 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
While warspite88's comment was... not appreciated (and I did downvote it), criticizing the Feminist movement is not the same as "tearing away at women's rights."
You should have criticized /u/warspite88's comment for being worthless criticism, not for being criticism.
[–]warspite88 -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
lol yes i am spreading hate movement right now haha your funny. of course there are gender issues on both sides silly...no really?!!!
feminism is not a "womens rights movement" it is a feminist movement that "plays" on championing womens rights, in reality it is a women vs men movement. people can argue this until they are blue in the face but the facts are there for everyone to see in all of its history if they look past the feminist koolaid. feminism champions benefits for women not also responsibility, that is not about rights! or equality.
dont lecture me on what to focus on chump. i have watched feminism slowly erode this nation for much of my life.
i focus on mens rights and the affects feminism has on mens rights. you don't like it, then go fly a kite.
go ahead, shame blame me, call me a misogynist blah blah blah. next.
[–]lofilover 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
it's cool to say you focus on men's rights and the effect certain feminist movements have on the issue, but it sure is hard for those of us on the interwebs to believe you when the majority of what you share with us contains more anti-feminism than actually...doing jack shit for the MHRM. don't trick yourself into believing that "reminding" everyone on this forum that feminism is evil is the same thing as promoting the human rights of men. (I mean do you actually think that the readers of this subreddit are oblivious to the criticisms of feminism?!!)
[–]warspite88 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
and dont sit there in your little computer chair and judge me personally on what i do for the mra when you dont know me. As far as i know, you do jack shit for anybody too. We are not here to judge each other. We are typing our opinions on the internet, it is really that simple. If you dont like what i say, down vote it or run to someone and censor it.
Educating people on what feminism has done to society, its policies, its education about "patriarchy" "rights without responsibility" "contempt for men" may not be a very fun or popular thing to do. It is in fact pretty god damn depressing to see the shit feminists spew and the destruction their policies do. But People need to know about the very ugly face of feminism.
Unfortunately the well being of men is tied to the hip with feminism in many ways. So while doing things and promoting positive efforts for mens rights is important, being critical of feminism and educating people on what feminism has done to harm both men and women and children is pretty important too.
So me reminding people that feminism is evil may not be what you like to hear but thankfully we can both agree that promoting MHR is important. So you go do your thing and I will do mine. Thank you, buhbye
[–]MinRinMin -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We should somehow front page this
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