MRM aside, how do you feel when Reuters writes, "killing at least 50 people including women and children"?

ghebert001 · 2013-05-02T21:54:39+00:00

It makes me feel as if men are not worthy of sympathy. We're just "people" or "bodies". I get the message that your death only matters if you're a woman or a child.

7wap · 2013-05-02T21:18:50+00:00

I've seen some complaints about this sort of writing recently. I personally find it mildly annoying, but I also recognize that women (probably) and children (most likely) aren't fighters. So I read the quote as,

"killing at least 50 people including apparent innocents.

2013-05-02T22:43:31+00:00

Honestly, I see writing like this, and pass right over it without much of a thought.

Such is the extent to which I have internalized male disposability.

MechPlasma · 2013-05-02T21:47:29+00:00

killing at least 50 people including women and children, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

So... who emphasised women? Reuters, or the Syrian Observatory?

seego79 · 2013-05-03T00:29:07+00:00

to be honest it smacks of lazy writing "women and children" seems to be todays shorthand for " not the bad ones/terrorists/soldiers" it has a bit of general sexism but its more a lazy assed writers way of keeping an article to the correct length.

CORNDOGCOMMANDO · 2013-05-03T00:34:09+00:00

i never put much thought into that kind of reporting till you realize its not just in the news, its in the movies and in the video games.

it's everywhere they can get away with it, it just reinforces the way they want males to think, doesn't matter how many men die but if a female dies well the world needs to pay attention and do something about it.

it sets the tone to the feminist want males to think and to a larger extent the powerful, think about growing up how many times were you told not to talk to girls in a bad way or sat there as girls were told they were special or how smarter they are.

growing up as male now there are video games that play on the same training, you are the hero and you will kill countless men or send countless men to their death to protect or rescue a female.

then you see it in movies how the hero is only important because he and/or his group was able to save some female or females and children, the hero or heroes sacrifice everything to save them and everyone is happy reinforcing how society wants males to think

you see it's all just reminders that you as a male are only important if you save women or children and that your buddies or other males friends or enemies are faceless disposable statistics.

boat sinks 100 dead including 10 women and 6 children

building collapses 125 dead including 40 women and 10 children who were believed to be in the babies r us on the second floor when the collapse occurred.

gunman opens fire killing 6 including samantha smith hairdresser, herpettte who was at the atm and derpette who was inside when it happened.

this last one gets me because they only do in depth stories of the women and leave out the guys who tried to either stop the gunmen or helped others escape. sure it doesn't always happen but they either highlight the women, highlight both men and women but never just the men ever.

after seeing this video it got me thinking and seeing this kind of reporting and this kind of story telling not sure what phrase to use.

just once i would want to see a game where women are used as fodder sent in by the hundreds or even thousands to die, maybe a group of women sent to rescue a man brutally killing other women who get in their way.

maybe if we had more women depicted being killed needlessly or countless womens bodies dismembered on the battlefield we wouldn't have a society so gung ho about sending males to their death. maybe we would have more women that understand men aren't unfeeling faceless statistics.

maybe we should just go back remake a few great games and movies but switch the genders and see how insane the message we send to males is. well thats my two cents i swear its like that scene in they live

edit: damn you spell correct.

banalredditing · 2013-05-03T01:56:26+00:00

I don't think it's an issue in and of itself. I think it's a nice meter stick, that you can use to measure the general thoughts of society.

Its like once you started seeing him/her used in textbooks, it's the gas gauge, not the fuel

ThePigman · 2013-05-03T03:00:57+00:00

How do i feel? When i see an anchorman say shit like this i feel like beating the crap out of him and then telling everyone to cool it because no women were hurt. Don't mind them underlining the death of kids, though, poor bastards had their entire lives ahead of them.

invislvl4 · 2013-05-03T05:33:48+00:00

Its wrong imho. They are all human and are all counted in the body count. You never read, "Killing at least 50 people including Blacks and Asians."

seenloitering · 2013-05-03T03:43:38+00:00

What!?! Women and children are being killed? Drop this Men's Rights crap, we need to do something about this outrage! /s

Makes me feel just like that.

Phuzzums · 2013-05-03T06:08:22+00:00

On one hand, I realize that it is meant to make an eye catching headline to pull in readers.

One there hand, it makes disheartened to realize that male deaths are so normalized and accepted that specifying female and child victims is necessary to create shocking headlines.

silverionmox · 2013-05-03T12:01:17+00:00

Hey, at least they counted the dead men.

theskepticalidealist · 2013-05-03T12:37:52+00:00

"Women and children first into the lifeboats!"

Unless we have been raided I'm disheartened that so many posters in this sub don't seem to see a problem with reporting tragedies this way

loganizer · 2013-05-03T19:25:10+00:00

I honestly see it as saying "including people who actually matter."

herbandmargie · 2013-05-03T01:36:06+00:00

It is a way of expressing that innocents were killed.

There is no way of knowing if a boy was a rebel fighter or not. Their are literally 10 year olds with ak-47's fighting.

helalo · 2013-05-03T08:51:39+00:00

in most countries, including mine, women and children are none-combat personal so they put them aside from combat/armed personal.

Bobsutan · 2013-05-03T12:00:51+00:00

Posted the following:

"killing at least 50 people including women and children"

This is what misandry looks like. The writer of this article completely denied the men's humanity. When men die they're "people", listed as their job title, but anything other than actually saying the word "man" or "men".

To quote Warren Farrell, "Women are human beings, men are human doings."

We'll see if it makes it past the moderators.

Tamen_ · 2013-05-03T18:03:18+00:00

Privileged to be the default gender /s

TheFarnell · 2013-05-03T21:07:59+00:00

It's offensive to both genders.

It's offensive to men, because A) it implies it's more shocking that women died, which reinforces male disposability and B) implies men are combatants and therefore violent.

It's offensive to women, because A) it implies "people" would not otherwise include women and B) the shock value comes from the implication that women are less able to defend themselves.

nesenti · 2013-05-02T22:32:58+00:00

completely fine with it it

what are the consequences of this? are those consequences good or bad? and why?

Title	MRM aside, how do you feel when Reuters writes, "killing at least 50 people including women and children"?
Author	7wap
Upvotes	53
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Date	May 2, 2013 9:17 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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