Neil deGrasse Tyson's statement on his false accusations.

Vancouverishomenow · 2018-12-02T05:39:40+00:00

"I am deeply sorry". Fuck that, stand up for your convictions man! If it went down as he stated (which may or may not be true) then why would you be sorry for such a benign incident ?

rationalthought314 · 2018-12-02T09:43:19+00:00

So two accusations are just "feelings" that the women felt creeped out by misunderstanding his intent? The other one just sounds like a flight of jealous fantasy. If not for the #metoo movement, I would more suspect dastardly doings from someone like Carl Rove or Roger Stone to discredit Tyson but in the wake of #metoo and cases like Aziz we are seeing misunderstandings treated almost the equivalent of rape in the level of disgust some will show.

The Pluto thing is Tyson being a nerd. Scientists are nerds at heart and typically aren't that good at social interactions. I could see him being more interested to see if the tattoo had demoted pluto than him being simply interested in her body. If she had a tattoo of Florida, I don't he'd care if ever city were on it.

The wine and cheese incident is downright scary because it reinforces the notion that you cannot even just have a friendly drink or meal with a female friend/colleague because she may think you are trying to hit on her and if she doesn't care for you, she could make you out to be some creepy predator. It just proves the old adage "men and women cannot be friends" true.

As for the drug and rape allegation nearly 30 years later it sounds like she took that straight from the Cosby trial.

Not to sound clinically cold but we seem more than happy to throw productive male members of society onto the fires of public media condemnation with little evidence for the sake of the possible victimization of women who years later haven't really contributed much to society for the most part.

pepe_the_third · 2018-12-02T01:25:29+00:00

They'll eat him alive

puppehplicity · 2018-12-02T06:59:46+00:00

Honestly, I have seen no proof that Neil deGrasse Tyson has done anything inappropriate (much less criminal). And without sufficient proof in a criminal court, it doesn't matter. If the alleged victim needs to heal they can do so without criminal proceedings. And healing is important, but it must NEVER be seen as more important than the basic inalienable human rights that include the right to face one's accuser and the facts of the matter before them. And I say this as both someone who has been sexually assaulted and someone who has been accused of sexual assault.

Did he do something wrong? Ok. Let the courts decide that and (hopefully) assign a proportional consequence. Was he innocent? Then let a man be. But the general public doesn't an opinion.

Give me actual evidence or get lost. Mudslinging isn't evidence and we can't pretend that it counts.

pjay321 · 2018-12-02T01:57:56+00:00

When is the execution? Will there be a trial after?

lastlaugh100 · 2018-12-02T04:56:23+00:00

Mike Pence was right

Morningsun92 · 2018-12-02T02:45:07+00:00

He made a great response, I think this is obviously a misunderstanding that’s gained momentum off the metoo movement and will quickly be let go. Dude shook a girls hand and was open about how he felt, and made a joke about Pluto, Jesus Christ

csjjm · 2018-12-02T13:54:05+00:00

So why is it the TV network that's "investigating" him and not the police? What can they even do to "investigate"?

DownrightCaterpillar · 2018-12-02T08:06:17+00:00

Really all he's guilty of is an unintentional sexual innuendo; no denying that "want something more" can have a sexual connotation when he's referring to a hug. That being said, there's nothing wrong with saying he's interested in more, whether sexual or platonic. It doesn't seem that he persisted so there's no harassment, just hysterical behavior from women.

We really need to start shaming women for this kind of stuff, they have no idea what it's like for men to always be the one to approach to start a sexual/romantic relationship. And conversely they have no idea what it's like for people to always assume you have sexual intentions, even when you don't. It's not like being in Auschwitz but it is emotionally tough in its own way, and women who make it worse should be made to feel unwelcome.

Clemicus · 2018-12-02T01:20:43+00:00

"apologized profusely"

Let's see if this game plan works.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2018-12-02T13:48:44+00:00

His failing here is in thinking facts and honest apologies matter.

Sasha_ · 2018-12-02T03:26:37+00:00

That's it, he's finished. When will they ever learn?

Consilio_et_Animis · 2018-12-02T08:21:39+00:00

“For a variety of reasons, most justified , some unjustified, men accused of sexual impropriety in today’s “me-too” climate are presumed to be guilty by the court of public opinion. Emotions bypass due-process, people choose sides, and the social media wars begin.”

eh? What’s he saying here? What are the “justifiable” “reasons” that men are presumed guilty?

He sounds to me just like yet another SJW caught in the web of his own making.

lowsodiummonkey · 2018-12-02T21:01:30+00:00

The more women come out with ‘accusations’ like these the more they just keep reverting back to the dark ages were women were thought of just reacting on emotions. Literally turning something that is benign on the surface and meaningless into something that’s interpreted completely divorced from reality.

Lupinfujiko · 2018-12-03T16:25:27+00:00

Never apologize to these people. They will take it as an admission of guilt.

Pipe_42 · 2018-12-02T01:26:48+00:00

I feel I'm falling into the fallacy he describes as I want to believe him and just brush the accusations off as ridiculous.

While I appreciate the point he is making here, it galls that I will now need to say I am keeping an open mind rather than trusting one of the most prominent scientists on earth, at least to the lay person, as opposed to feeling comfortable saying it's preposterous.

I'd feel the same if Dame Judi Dench were accused of something similar. It's an idiotic attempt to bandwagon, are ALL celebrity personalities we have spent years watching and yes, even idolising, secretly perverts?

What then is the point in consuming media if all involved are secretly psychotic rapists who just haven't been caught yet? This immediate coverage and airing out of such incidents only causes harm.

Investigate by all means, and if they are guilty then the full force of the law should be applied, but more often than not now we are seeing people who only "felt" uncomfortable and often years or even decades after the fact being given the same level of belief as a woman or man who has just walked into a police station with their attackers DNA still on them.

I understand it can be traumatic for people to relive the distress of an actual assault. But that doesn't mean we should take everything said vertabim. We can empathise without instinctively assigning blame surely?

Title	Neil deGrasse Tyson's statement on his false accusations.
Author	shrewdshrew
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Date	December 2, 2018 1:07 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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