Outlaw circumcision, dick tip cannot ever be brought back

Clockw0rk · 2015-02-26T16:56:26+00:00

I think we should treat it like it is: An elective cosmetic procedure.

There's no medical need for it.

Would you give your infant daughter breast implants? Of course not. But you wouldn't make breast implants illegal, you'd just make performing the elective procedure on a child illegal.

Likewise, performing the elective procedure of circumcision on a child should be illegal. Not circumcision as a whole, by all means go in and get it done when you're of age to consent if you want to, but don't force it on someone that can't' consent.

Performing irreversible elective procedures on children is pretty fucking disgusting.

not_shadowbanned_yet · 2015-02-26T09:22:17+00:00

Its illegal for girls, why not for boys? Just another horrible double standard.

apullin · 2015-02-26T18:24:46+00:00

I suspect that this is some sort of troll posts or robo-post.

The issue you're mentioning is a real issue that is close to the hearts of many (all?) folks in this subreddit.

timoppenheimer · 2015-02-26T11:24:06+00:00

Jewmongers

top kek

I agree with your views on circumcision. As a guy currently trying to restore, I can attest that it can never be truly restored. The best people like you and I can hope for is to stretch the remaining mucosal skin forward and have the dead skin layers fall off (dekaratinization). It's never going to be as good as having a full penis though.

MRSPArchiver · 2015-02-26T08:22:28+00:00

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Howie_85Sabre · 2015-02-26T20:49:15+00:00

Do you really not feel the tip of your penis?

I think yours was botched or something. I'm circumcised and the tip and head are still immensely sensitive.

They don't cut off the tip either, man, it's the foreskin.

fptone · 2015-02-26T12:44:50+00:00

phantom dick tip is a real thing and has been studied. if you're circumcised you can probably feel it. just a slight tingle and maybe the occasional sharp needle-like pain every couple weeks or something. i feel it sometimes if i focus on the sensation in the scar where my foreskin is supposed to be. i haven't talked about this with anyone else but i've read about it. i never really noticed it until i read about it. the tingle is real. the scar is the only area i feel that tingle. it's a very strange feeling. not painful by any means, but then maybe we're all just so used to it that we don't notice. i have serious nerve damage from a tumor on one of my nerves in my shoulder and it's a very different sensation lol. extreme pain, but it is a unique condition all on its own. i can't say whether phantom foreskin pain is anything like phantom limb pain, but i would speculate that it's definitely possible for someone to have serious nerve pain due to circumcision. the foreskin is one of the tissues most dense with nerves. it's hard to imagine how cutting off these nerves could not cause nervous symptoms. it's possible that because it happens when we're so young, the symptoms disappear early on.

people presume that because circumcision happens at such an early age, "you can't remember it." but this is not necessarily true. you can't remember it when you're 20, but you certainly can remember it when you're a few months old. conscious memory is very different in babies, and it's poorly understood because we can't start thinking the same way we did when we were babies, and babies can't exactly measure, study, and document their consciousness scientifically. but traumatic memory is a very complex issue, and it doesn't matter how old you are, trauma is a lifelong condition. as we get older, our trauma starts to fade and become blurry. but it never really goes away. childhood trauma starts as an explicit memory, but repression and general memory replacement causes it to become a subconscious, emotional phenomenon. a traumatic experience at age 5 is remembered as an experience at age 7. but a traumatic experience at age 5 is remembered as an anxiety disorder at age 25. you will forget almost everything about the experience, except maybe that it happened. if you, say, got your leg bitten off by a shark when you were 5... you'd remember it vividly at age 7, but by 25 you wouldn't remember it visually or sensually at all. you would only know that it happened because you were always aware that it happened. it's not a memory of the experience itself. it's a memory of telling yourself that it happened. so, at age 7, you remember that you got attacked by a shark. at age 9, you remember that you thought about getting attacked by a shark when you were 7. at age 13, you remember that when you were 9, you remembered getting attacked by a shark. and so on. so when you're 25, you don't remember the actual experience, you just remember remembering the experience. this is how our memories become more and more vague, or change in terms of the details. you don't remember your 11th birthday, you remember thinking about your 11th birthday. every time you think about it the memory changes a bit, and is imprinted for the next time you think about it. so when you consider the events, they get farther and farther from the truth every time you think about them.

but when you're 25, the trauma of having your leg cut off by a shark does not just go away. you're unable to remember it, but it still has a significant effect. it immediately changes the way you think. neurologically speaking, even neurochemically speaking, there is an immediate change in emotional processing. as you get older, you're not still reacting to the experience, but to a chain reaction started by the experience. same goes for circumcision. children have been studied for PTSD caused by circumcision. it's impossible to diagnose PTSD in babies, because they can't talk and their behavior is very different from adults'. but the symptoms are there, in subtle ways. that first traumatic event starts a chain reaction of neurological problems. imagine one of the first things you experience in life is an extremely traumatic event. they often don't use anesthetic because anesthetic is very dangerous/lethal for babies... if they do, it's almost always topical or local anesthetic, which does not really help much. once it wears off, the baby is just stuck in pain, and since babies cry so much their pain is not really noticed. a lot of people think the foreskin is just different from other body tissues, that it's not so painful, the way the skin on your elbow is. this couldn't be further from the truth; it's one of the most innervated tissues on the body. in any case, the emotional trauma of this experience must cause neurological problems for at least some people. the abuse i suffered from the ages of 2-4 still have significant effects for me. it's hard to pinpoint the cause of anxiety/depression/etc. so i will speak strictly about unique conditions that must be caused by my abuse. i was strangled many times, and i have a compulsive disorder where when i concentrate on the sensation in my throat, i have a compulsion to swallow. there's nothing in my throat, i just have to swallow saliva or nothing at all. if i don't swallow, i start to feel like i am choking. it's very stressful and it's basically a panic attack, only more physical. now what caused this? when you're being choked, your throat stops moving consciously. your body just reacts to it, like a reflex. especially as a child, you're falling back on instinctual reflexes. well, the reflex to being choked is to swallow, to try to clear the airway and move the larynx. repeatedly, someone being choked will swallow and swallow and those muscles/nerves involved in swallowing will be fired up like crazy. even being strangled severely just once will often cause people to develop this disorder for the rest of their lives. i've had it almost my entire life. it won't go away or get any better. in fact, it seems to get worse. i've been choked enough times that it's very serious for me. to confirm that it's caused by abuse, another boy who was abused along with me, at our daycare, also has the exact same problem. i have no contact with the rest of people at this daycare, who i don't even remember, so i can't say how many others have the problem today.

there's another disorder too. the main kind of torture this lady inflicted on us was tickling. i suspect that she didn't want to leave too many marks, (although she once hit me in the head with a brick and told my parents that i fell off the see-saw) so she would primarily strap us down and tickle us. this might not sound like a very severe form of torture, but it was one of the worst things we endured. she seemed to think that strangulation was worse, because she would do it only occasionally as a punishment. tickling us was like... standard. it wasn't a punishment for anything. she'd change our diapers and then strangle us. i probably wouldn't be able to vividly remember those years if it weren't for the fact that my brain was being constantly stimulated by abuse. i can hardly remember anything from those years other than abuse, and very rare/strange occurrences that normally stimulate the brain and leave an imprint. so tickling is very severe. most people are only ever tickled for fun, and they're not strapped into restraints. when you're being tickled, even just a few seconds cause intense aversion and you will try to "escape" the tickler. your body just reacts on its own to this experience. it's a strange type of pain. sensory overload is what i call it. but very few people have ever been restrained and tickled. it's one thing to be tickled while lying on your bed, where you can jump back.. that's what makes tickling fun for most people. but when you're restrained and tickled, it's probably the worst form of torture i can imagine, other than severely mutilating someone's body. honestly i doubt that mutilation is more painful than tickling. the reason mutilation is so bad is that it leaves scars, it disfigures, it maims, it even debilitates you. cutting off someone's balls isn't bad just because it's painful, it's bad because it's castration. it is a serious emotional trauma, and it makes that person sterile for life. they can never have kids. their masculinity is gone.

anyway, tickling is really bad. we were restrained and tickled all the time, and i vividly remember trying to escape and struggling against the leather belts and ropes to get away from the sensory stimulation. i honestly feel that it was more traumatic than being strangled close to death probably 25+ times. this was an early time in my development. it must have seriously altered my brain and nervous system. it's not just your brain that is altered by this. your autonomic nervous system changes as well. i have nerve reflexes that normal people don't have, and so does my friend. we were mainly tickled on the lower abdomen, and sometimes the feet. you'd think armpits, but the tickling sensation in the armpits stops after 30 seconds or so. they just desensitize. the lower abdomen never stops feeling terrible. i'd say we spent hundreds of hours being tickled on the lower abdomen total.

so nowadays, if you put your hands within even a few inches of my lower abdomen, my abdominal muscles seize up, clench, and move without my control. it's just a reflex. i could have my eyes closed and it would still happen. it's like i can feel the air moving in a unique way when you're about to touch me there, and my body reacts on its own volition. if you actually touch them, my body pushes you almost completely without my consent. it's bizarre. my friend and i both have this condition, and i've never met anyone else with it.

PM_ME_YOUR_WEED_PLZ · 2015-02-26T13:32:51+00:00

Outlawed? I'm sorry but no. My kid, my decision. I am glad I was circumcised and I think my son will be too. But you'd rather I be put in jail for that? Banning things doesn't prevent or erase those things. It only makes it more expensive and difficult to get.

Eryemil · 2015-02-26T19:17:55+00:00

IDK I'm pretty happy my parents decided to get rid of my weird ass ant-eater like smegma-catching skin flap. No numbness or anything for this happy penis.

Fresheyeball · 2015-02-26T12:49:20+00:00

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philosarapter · 2015-02-26T19:50:18+00:00

Is this a real post? Why is that link at the bottom there?

And I've never experienced any numbness or odd sensations. Maybe that's just you.

Circumcision is a weird cultural tradition, I admit, but so are most traditions. The question should be whether it produces harmful effects or not, and I haven't seen any data to suggest circumcised penises are any more prone to harm than non-circumcised. So whats the big deal?

People pierce their baby's ears too, its just another quirk of culture.

Title	Outlaw circumcision, dick tip cannot ever be brought back
Author	toddgiffen
Upvotes	53
Comments	61
Date	February 26, 2015 8:22 AM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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