Think this is something that both sides need to read and understand. Actually something everyone needs to read and understand.

shit-zen-giggles · 2020-03-14T01:38:33+00:00

CUE: "male tears" mugs

CUE: "Why can't we hate men?" article posted by feminist gender studies professor Susanne Danuta Waters in Washington Post

CUE: "We need to reduce the male population by 90%" essay by feminist Sally Miller-Gearhardt

CUE: United Nations having a 100% feminist UN Women department, but no UN Men department

I could go on for days...

aussietoads · 2020-03-14T02:30:16+00:00

So many strawmen, not enough matches.

Ironwarrior29 · 2020-03-14T02:50:22+00:00

The difference between feminism and men’s rights is that feminism is inclusive while men’s rights activists are exclusive.

There they go already with the stupid false garbage.

AskingToFeminists · 2020-03-14T01:56:05+00:00

when females are taught to control sexual urges until marriage, when males are taught that their sexual urges are manly.

I loved your novel The Age of Innocence, but have you been in New York lately, Mrs Wharton?

Because it's shameful for men to be ~~weak~~, "like women"

"a convoluted, double-negative argument to prove that somehow this overt discrimination against men is somehow a reflection of cultural misogyny"

For 30-odd years, the only group actively talking about gender-identity issues were feminists, and they essentially held a monopoly on the subject. And a lot of strange, contrived, and sometimes outright absurd notions arose out of that monopoly, utterly unchecked by any contrary viewpoint. Consider the opening of the Madonna song "What if feels like for a girl". This ran as the standard answer for your question, that being a girl is degrading, and thus for a man to be like a girl is degrading. This way of thinking went unchallenged for decades.

... If you choose to embrace logic and principles like Occam's Razor, the MRM's version is far, far superior. From a simple premise (that men and women have different sexual value in society, and that gasp women have more) you can come up with with a theory without any of the convoluted twisting, rationalizing, and outright contradiction that feminism/Madonna's version presents. Namely, that a man dressing himself like a woman (or acting feminine) is a person with lower sexual value taking on the affectations of someone with higher sexual value, and thus is subject to ridicule or scorn.

iainmf · 2020-03-14T07:09:13+00:00

Previous thread on this comic:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4jggv3/this_crappy_comic_is_circulating_again_so_i_had/

Edit of the comic:

https://imgur.com/a/CHPbG

Another edit:

https://imgur.com/gallery/PUPXe

tenchineuro · 2020-03-14T03:32:18+00:00

Sexism isn't "us vs them"

Exactly, it's them vs us, that's feminism in a nutshell.

This cartoon is a masterpiece of false equivalence.

it's "us vs our lack of mutual understanding"

Until the day when feminists, and even women in general start listing to men, no understanding, mutual or otherwise, is possible. This is by design.

BornFreeWE · 2020-03-14T06:50:08+00:00

It's nice ... a bit simplified. The reality has more layers.

"When males are taught their sexual urges are manly" That is a point I hear so often. It is not complete without mentioning the shaming that comes allong with it. "Men are low creatures who only want sex and have no feelings" that is what we are taught. The "Slut shaming" is automatic.

"Men=slut" that is what people think and this ironically the reason why people do not sult shame men.

Edit: women get sult shamed as individuals, men as group.

jacksleepshere · 2020-03-14T06:05:41+00:00

I don't think all of this is accurate, but this would be a much better post if the word "because" just fucked off out of it.

mgtowolf · 2020-03-14T12:20:33+00:00

https://i.imgur.com/Scn4hEp.jpg
Here is a version I did lol

AbysmalDescent · 2020-03-14T18:29:47+00:00

My biggest issue with this drawing is this fallacy that men are shamed for being weak because they are "acting like women". Men are shamed for being weak because men are expected to take charge and never complain, mainly by women. It's a gendered expectation placed on men. Women, on the other hand, are not really shamed for being weak because they generally are accepted regardless of how strong or weak they are. They just get a free pass for it, because men won't really judge them for it the way women will judge men for it. It's just not something that men make a big deal out of, because they do not rely on women to take charge of their lives. If anything men are generally pretty happy to support and empower women any time they show weakness. When men see a woman be weak, they usually see someone they need to be extra careful around. When women see a man being weak, they become repulsed or see someone they can abuse or take advantage of.

It's really dishonest to present an issue of misandry as an issue of misogyny when it really isn't. This would also have to assume that being weak is an inherently gendered female quality, which is also wrong.

mgtowolf · 2020-03-14T19:21:21+00:00

The difference between feminism and men’s rights is that feminism is inclusive while men’s rights activists are exclusive.

I almost choked on my sandwich and died when I read that comment.......

thereslcjg2000 · 2020-03-14T02:00:29+00:00

Parts of this are a little oversimplified towards a feminist bent, but still generally a good message.

Lupinfujiko · 2020-03-14T03:53:25+00:00

That's beautiful.

It ends in "needs to listen".

Feminism won't listen.

GordonColeSaysWHAT · 2020-03-14T13:20:18+00:00

I read this before the title, noticing it was a cross post from r/feminism. Surprisingly wholesome.

Edit: Lol, apparently it was originally on r/wholesomememes.

xNOM · 2020-03-14T13:39:43+00:00

This is the most emo fact-free snowflake Jr. high-level dialogue I have ever seen in my life.

Namkwal · 2020-03-14T13:45:20+00:00

i actually like how r/feminism is about LITERAL feminism

double-happiness · 2020-03-14T14:09:52+00:00

Most insults towards men attack their masculinity

Well... not really. I notice that 3 out of 4 of the slurs they mention there are US slang, anyway.

username2136 · 2020-03-14T15:08:56+00:00

I don’t really agree with a lot of this but I like the message.

I hate how it makes those reasons the only reasons what a girl or a guy would reject if approached. I’m sure the rejected would at least hear why they were rejected if they approached like “you’re not my type” or “I’m already taken”. Is it any wonder why people will think you’re shallow if you just say no.
I’m not saying that a man heckling a woman like that doesn’t happen. I just don’t think it happens in person as often as it is portrayed where it’s harder to get away from. I think this mostly happens over text and of a situation like this happens then they can simply block.
Many guys will think that getting laid solves all their problems but it doesn’t. It might solve some but it could bring different problems to light as he may discover after his first long term relationship.
It’s interesting to me how the sexual urges part is shown as a bad thing even though there is a scientific reason behind how that is the best way to go about it. For females it’s “the wall” or their “biological clock” so it should be in their beat interest to be with someone who they would be willing to have children with before their “time” runs out. For males, this is more of “master key” situation since females are the gatekeepers of the relationship. I don’t agree with either sex having a high body count but it makes more sense in a biological context.
No straight guy would ever care about what a woman wears. I have had dates get angry with me because I didn’t notice that she wore a special dress for the occasion, when in reality I am just glad that I was able to make the date work in the first place and that’s good enough for me. I can understand the weight part but I’d be willing to let it slide if they are willing to work on it, I’ll even do it with them if it helps. Idk man, I think that kind of thing is more of a thing other women go after. It’s also not that men aren’t scrutinized for what they wear either. There’s a reason why the “men in uniform” trope exists.
My problem with “men showing weakness” is that it is a common misconception that we aren’t allowed to cry in front of our friends. While having testosterone helps achieve stoicism (I think), friends don’t condemn each other for crying (maybe if this is frequent but if their pet dies then they don’t condemn), we even hug when we see each other after years of separation. Other guys are not the issue. However I have heard horror stories about how a guy’s relationship instantly crumbles after a man sheds a tear. You could just collapse due to work stresses and you would find your wife being incredibly distant and then cheats on you a month later, the attraction is gone within that instant. It has happened to me and my friends all the time.
Yeah I think famous feminists are going to need to condemn the group members who do nothing but demonize men before I am willing to accept their offer of uniting, but instead you have those who say that you are a sexist if you aren’t a feminist so I won’t be holding my breath. MRAs wouldn’t have to exist if feminism didn’t become this toxic.

goodmod · 2020-03-14T04:59:55+00:00

This is a good post.

However its title does not say enough about its subject. This forces people to click and read before they can decide whether they are interested. It also makes searching impossible.

If everyone did this, the subreddit would become unusable. Moreover, it means that your post will fail to reach some readers because they won't know what it's about.

So please don't do it in future. Take the time to describe your link, and save the time of hundreds of other people.

When making a title, it's best to assume the reader doesn't know what you're talking about - but don't go overboard with every detail. Then check if there are any words you can cut out without losing any important information.

dumbfuckingmods · 2020-03-14T12:48:01+00:00

Who in their mind think that an ugly guy asking a pretty girl out would make the girl seem shallow to society?

rabel111 · 2020-03-14T21:32:06+00:00

So why are feminists trying so hard to shut down MRAs that are examining men's rights issues? So why do universities, colleges and the UN shutting out International Men's Day when it's goals are to improve the lives of men and reduce male suicide? So why are feminist dominated public helth policies fixated with a non-gendered approach to the male suicide crisis and continue to funnell more funding and research in women's attempted suicides?

JJB117 · 2020-03-14T21:36:11+00:00

"The difference between feminism and men’s rights is that feminism is inclusive while men’s rights activists are exclusive." From their sub. Man the irony is palpable.

hiiexist5672 · 2020-03-19T17:18:42+00:00

If only this was what feminism was like

Think this is something that both sides need to read and understand. Actually something everyone needs to read and understand.

Crosspost "Sorry this is to long. Originally posted on r/wholesomememes" from /r/Feminism:

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Title	Think this is something that both sides need to read and understand. Actually something everyone needs to read and understand.
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Date	March 14, 2020 1:30 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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