US Supreme Court stroke down affirmative action based on race. Will this be good for MRM in the long run?

asdf333aza · 2023-06-29T19:34:34+00:00

🤣🤣🤣 you guys are delusional if you think this will change anything. Colleges will still pick females over males to attend university.

It's going to be the same way as when females get 60% less prison time when committing the same crimes as men. Even though on paper they are supposed to be judged fairly, they won't be.

63daddy · 2023-06-29T17:41:44+00:00

I don’t think colleges should discriminate on the basis of sex or race in admission policy. However, it’s not admissions that’s the main source of discrimination against males in education.
“universities can still consider race in a prospective student’s application in the context of a “discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination”: this loophole means they can still discriminate. For example they can’t have a policy of discriminating in favor of all black applicants, but they can apply the same benefit individually to every black applicant to the same result.

RandomRedditGuy322 · 2023-06-29T18:00:14+00:00

Courts ruling applies to race, not gender. Colleges could still use AA for gender based admissions.

pbj_sammichez · 2023-06-29T19:29:33+00:00

Yeah maybe, but I think men will need affirmative action soon because this will make women feel totally justified in discriminating against men. They will go on to do exactly what they are accusing men of now, but it'll be claimed as some sort of justice. Things are changing rapidly, and if women get the societal control they want, we can expect large-scale discrimination against men to be normalized. If we give up protections now and it doesnt stop the current progression, men might be in a bad spot later (once women are legally empowered to mistreat us, rather than just being socially empowered to mistreat us).

Nago31 · 2023-06-30T01:13:57+00:00

Lefty here. I love it.

It never made sense to me that “can’t discriminate based on race” is also “have to show preference to race.” I’m happy it’s gone and in the dust.

WhereProgressIsMade · 2023-06-29T17:17:19+00:00

Good. Racism is racism no matter who is doing it for or against any given race.

Fuzzy_Department2799 · 2023-06-29T18:05:35+00:00

It sets the precedent that the long standing interpretation of the 14th amendment has been wrong. There are about to be a lot more lawsuits.

If you truly want equality you have to put it into practice. You simply cant have special rules for special groups.

Alarming_Draw · 2023-06-29T19:45:16+00:00

Yes, it should be good for us.

Because it sets precedent that places should not give unfair advantages to people based on their biology-an argument that is easily applied to ending the endless things that privellege women.

Precedent is the cornerstone of law. It is something judges look favourably upon.

seanma99 · 2023-06-30T00:02:41+00:00

Why is it when affirmative action gets brought up everyone always talks about black people as if black people are the largest demographic that benefits from it?? It's real interesting how white women get ignored on this topic when they have disproportionately benefited from affirmative action over all other demographics. Make it make sense

Your_Agenda_Sucks · 2023-06-30T04:50:48+00:00

It would be nice if financial assistance was purely based on merit + poverty instead of race + gender.

If I had to choose, I would I wish the court decision had been against affirmative action for women instead of race, but there's nothing but clusterfucks from admitting unprepared students into advanced programs just because they're the color du jour.

Halafax · 2023-06-29T17:32:22+00:00

It certainly sets a trend that universities are carefully watching. Affirmative action is inherently discriminatory. This case didn’t speak to gender discrimination, but everyone knows that issue is about to explode. Feminists and academics have been punching down at men for so long they simply can’t imagine any other way of doing things.

UWontHearMeAnyway · 2023-06-30T00:45:25+00:00

I think it'll be really good in the long run. But I do think there should be better oversight, on the admissions system overall. There's no real check or balance on it being prevented. If I had to make rules regarding it, I'd make it about aptitudes. If they check the big boxes, and still aren't chosen, then why not? That sort of thing. Without this, and it doesn't prevent the issue from arising again.

But my problem with the original stance is that it forced colleges to about people in, with only a skin color as their aptitude. Which says nothing about their real aptitude. It sets them up for failure honestly. There were several wonderful things that happened from it though. It teaches those people things that they wouldn't have been exposed to otherwise. This trickles to others close to them. Which spreads the knowledge to those that wouldn't have been exposed otherwise. Things like financial education, and general knowledge. It also forces those colleges, that used to be predominantly racists, to accept minorities. Over time it has helped diminish the hatred. Which is awesome. But I think we are vastly beyond the racist aspect that things used to be. So, we need to try out the accolades portion. The accomplishments portion. Meaning, if they show promise, are up to speed with others that already get accepted into the schools, then those are the ones that should be admitted. Not because of their skin color. To believe otherwise is to believe minorities are incapable of having people that can live up to those standards. I for one think that to be idiotic. I've met very bright people that happened to be minorities (of what the general society considers minority races). Problem is, the ones with high potential are left behind from these programs. Because skin color basis rushes colleges to pick people, not caring about potential. Which is sad. I think the ones with great potential should be chosen at top of list.

In short: I think it was a great start, to change how things were 50 years ago. But current times calls for change. We need to address the current issue, which is potential and dedication to reach that. By itself, this overturning is meh. But it has great potential to be amazing for minorities to be raised out of bad cultural upbringing. Out of bad situations, and be successful. Which is exactly what we need as a country.

Euphoric-Beat-7206 · 2023-06-30T06:52:17+00:00

This is a step in the right direction. Hopefully they strike down gender based affirmative action soon too.

Wise_Bodybuilder_224 · 2023-06-30T10:18:37+00:00

Great news for the fellas! Time to get our gender-based AA helmets ready!

Prizvyshche · 2023-06-29T19:38:01+00:00

No, because men will need quotas after generations of marginalization

D_Luffy_32 · 2023-06-29T19:05:00+00:00

I think this will be bad overall for mrm because it makes things harder for black men. It's the closest thing to helping men get into college we have. For example I don't think getting rid of women only scholarships is the solution. We need an equal amount of male only scholarships.

Wise_Bodybuilder_224 · 2023-06-30T01:31:09+00:00

Great news! Guess I'll have to identify as a 'college-seeking unicorn' from now on.

Joncal17 · 2023-06-29T18:38:31+00:00

I personally would hate to have people think that what i have as a latino was given to me. I worked hard, i earned what i have. No one gave me shit.

Anyone who claims they can't do anything or get ahead in life has a bad mentality. My parents moved here without a DIME, we were dead broke and somehow they managed to be middle class. Somehow they managed to reach beyond their dreams without any government assistance or anyone pretending to give a damn about us.

We live the American dream and we are proud to live in this country.

ERiC_693 · 2023-06-29T21:23:04+00:00

The irony of a black woman SC Justice sitting complaining is irony personified.
The most likely resultant is that Asian males will benefit the most and after that White men will benefit next. White women are immune due to their victim card of "sex".

The other thing is white women being protected based on sex from being blocked in admission due to race is irony on steroids. It's the largest demographic in universities and the demographic running the schools being able to manipulate a victim card.

As far as Im aware AA is only to do with race (?). But if gender is also a factor later on then while it protects male dominated STEM fields (although I doubt it would ever result in quotas being removed) it will allow continuous imbalances in the majority of other degrees being female dominated.

In some universities there is an incentive to allow male students into nursing, social care, teaching etc, this is only as far as I'm aware.

Removing sex conscious enrollment would worsen that as boys have lower grades in school. This will not impact women going into engineering as they have higher grades in high school so will always get into male dominated fields should they choose to enroll.

randonumero · 2023-06-29T19:06:34+00:00

If you're a wealthy white man then it will be good for you. For men as a whole this isn't going to be a good thing because affirmative action wasn't the primary driver keeping men out of a lot of opportunities.

sickcheesecake · 2023-06-29T19:16:33+00:00

It's a starting point for sure.

JCgamerX · 2023-06-29T18:42:40+00:00

I am not sure this is a good thing because many men do benefit from this as well

Title	US Supreme Court stroke down affirmative action based on race. Will this be good for MRM in the long run?
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Date	June 29, 2023 5:05 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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